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Young FRANKenstein
Joined: 02 Oct 2006
Location: Castle Frankenstein (that's FRONKensteen)
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 Posted: Wed Apr 20, 2011 6:40 pm Post subject: Re: I noticed that teaching English in Korea earn a lot |
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| HanlSky wrote: |
| I saw here working 20 hrs a week for 2 ~ 2.4 million wons. |
An uncommon example. Most jobs require 30 teaching hours (or more), plus prep time. Most jobs are closer to 2.0 than 2.4 for those 30 teaching hours.
Any teacher taking his prep seriously would be working AT LEAST 40 hours total for 30 teaching hours.
I only teach 12 hours (at university) but I'm in my office prepping, grading, doing 1-on-1 extra tutoring, editing essays, and doing whatever admin tasks I need done for way more than another 20. |
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HanlSky
Joined: 30 Jan 2010
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| Posted: Wed Apr 20, 2011 6:42 pm Post subject: Re: I noticed that teaching English in Korea earn a lot |
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| Young FRANKenstein wrote: |
| HanlSky wrote: |
| I saw here working 20 hrs a week for 2 ~ 2.4 million wons. |
An uncommon example. Most jobs require 30 teaching hours (or more), plus prep time. Most jobs are closer to 2.0 than 2.4 for those 30 teaching hours.
Any teacher taking his prep seriously would be working AT LEAST 40 hours total for 30 teaching hours.
I only teach 12 hours (at university) but I'm in my office prepping, grading, doing 1-on-1 extra tutoring, editing essays, and doing whatever admin tasks I need done for way more than another 20. |
I see. So how much per hour does it turn out to be after all those hours? Sounds like pretty stressful job. |
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edwardcatflap
Joined: 22 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Wed Apr 20, 2011 6:46 pm Post subject: |
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| I see. So how much per hour does it turn out to be after all those hours? Sounds like pretty stressful job. |
Are you for real? |
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Young FRANKenstein
Joined: 02 Oct 2006
Location: Castle Frankenstein (that's FRONKensteen)
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| Posted: Wed Apr 20, 2011 6:49 pm Post subject: Re: I noticed that teaching English in Korea earn a lot |
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| HanlSky wrote: |
| I see. So how much per hour does it turn out to be after all those hours? |
Thinking about the job on a per hour basis is meaningless, as every week is different, depending on what assignments/projects are due, if there is a speech contest or not, or whatever other events/seminars come up.
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| Sounds like pretty stressful job. |
It can be, but the students more than make up for it. It also helps that I'm not on campus on Thursdays and can relax a bit, but that only means I have very long days the other four. |
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Young FRANKenstein
Joined: 02 Oct 2006
Location: Castle Frankenstein (that's FRONKensteen)
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| Posted: Wed Apr 20, 2011 6:51 pm Post subject: |
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| brucefox wrote: |
| yeah, i've been noticing even the people who earn only 2.0 or 2.1 million a month are saving a thousand ollars or more every month. |
Yeah, but they live on ramyeon and have no friends or decent social life. |
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earthquakez
Joined: 10 Nov 2010
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earthquakez
Joined: 10 Nov 2010
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| Posted: Wed Apr 20, 2011 10:05 pm Post subject: Re: I noticed that teaching English in Korea earn a lot |
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| HanlSky wrote: |
http://www.eslcafe.com/jobs/korea/index.cgi?read=47438
I saw here working 20 hrs a week for 2 ~ 2.4 million wons.
When I calculated 2.2 mill is about 2050 dollars
2050 / 80 hours in 4 weeks (a month) is about 25.6 dollars per hour, which is a lot. I guess if you get some students for private tutoring charging the same amount you could earn a lot! |
 Um, I've looked at some of your other posts on other threads and I know you're into cruising around here asking non Korean ethnicity posters all these questions about pay and conditions etc. But I'd like to ask why you as a poster of Korean ethnicity is mentioning private tutoring when surely you should know that it will get English teachers deported asap when they are on an E-2 visa.
I recall other posters at various stages who clearly don't write English as if it's their first language angling about the private tutoring jobs that we E-2ers are supposed to be doing illegally. I have never tutored privately in Korea and although I am going soon from here, I never would. The great majority of native speakers on E-2 visas do not break the law like this.
What's your agenda here? |
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southernman
Joined: 15 Jan 2010
Location: On the mainland again
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| Posted: Wed Apr 20, 2011 10:52 pm Post subject: Re: I noticed that teaching English in Korea earn a lot |
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| earthquakez wrote: |
| HanlSky wrote: |
http://www.eslcafe.com/jobs/korea/index.cgi?read=47438
I saw here working 20 hrs a week for 2 ~ 2.4 million wons.
When I calculated 2.2 mill is about 2050 dollars
2050 / 80 hours in 4 weeks (a month) is about 25.6 dollars per hour, which is a lot. I guess if you get some students for private tutoring charging the same amount you could earn a lot! |
Um, I've looked at some of your other posts on other threads and I know you're into cruising around here asking non Korean ethnicity posters all these questions about pay and conditions etc. But I'd like to ask why you as a poster of Korean ethnicity is mentioning private tutoring when surely you should know that it will get English teachers deported asap when they are on an E-2 visa.
I recall other posters at various stages who clearly don't write English as if it's their first language angling about the private tutoring jobs that we E-2ers are supposed to be doing illegally. I have never tutored privately in Korea and although I am going soon from here, I never would. The great majority of native speakers on E-2 visas do not break the law like this.
What's your agenda here? |
Well said, here here...
Op, you will find that the vast majority of E2 Visa holders are just trying to be as professional as we can. We save our money for overseas vacations and/or future plans. Most young western teachers have 20K plus student debts to pay off.
Sorry, but there's no real scandal or intrigue to be found. Don't you realise on the whole teachers worlwide are kind of a boring bunch  |
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brucefox
Joined: 23 Jan 2011
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| Posted: Wed Apr 20, 2011 11:29 pm Post subject: |
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| Geumchondave wrote: |
| as above - we only teach for 20 hrs a week but we are at work for 40 - which would work out at just over 10 dollars an hour - which in england would only be just over minimum wage so for some of us its not that great. the main financial incentive for me at least is the free housing. and the free travel. the pay itself is pretty poor for an actual teacher as is the vacation time |
your calculations are grossly inaccurate. First of all, you almost never deskwarm in North America at any decent job. The ones where you are able to wear suits anyway.
I worked for 40 hours at 10 bux an hour once before, and that works up to 1400 dollars NET income after bare minimum deductions from 1600 gross.
At the same time the cost of living is much higher in north America, and I assume from my many years of experience in Europe that it's still more expensive in Europe as well.
I was not able to save much at all working my ass off in a mailroom at that wage. Took me a full year to save 5000 dollars.
Over here, I've received three paychques so far and I'm sitting on more money than the money I had saved in a year back home. And I am eating out/ordering/drinking MORE often than back home.
Just because someone's yearly income is 30,000 a year doesn't mean the guy is poor if his cost of livin is 4~500,000 won a month.
A guy earning 100,000 back home paying 35% tax then spending money on his beamer and mortgages that ends up with just about a thousand more than the necessary expenses (just like so many lawyers at huge lawfirms I got to know back home) is not someone I envy at the moment.
Yeah, with $30,000 a year here, I can do a little better than that. And above all, I don't have to suck up to politicians and get harrassed by Human Resource for some fat secretary thinking I hit on her. |
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Who's Your Daddy?
Joined: 30 May 2010
Location: Victoria, Canada.
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| Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2011 12:41 am Post subject: |
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| brucefox wrote: |
| And above all, I don't have to suck up to politicians and get harrassed by Human Resource for some fat secretary thinking I hit on her. |
Awesome. Made me laugh. |
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RMNC
Joined: 21 Jul 2010
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| To add to what brucefox said, don't forget there's also the free housing, airfare, half medical and half pension bonuses as well, that'd put it at least $35,000 per year. But then again, to me, $35,000 a year is funny money to me. I can live on half that easily, but that's because my interests are cheap and I don't like to vacation away from home or spend hundreds drinking every weekend. You can live like a king on $35,000 or you can live like a pauper, but with no decrease in fun. Part of being good with money in any country, but one where you're a foreigner especially, is learning how to save money by finding cheaper ways to live and have fun. Will you have less fun than if you blew your money? No. Will you have to change your lifestyle? Maybe. Is it worth it? Hell yes. |
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Prevlin
Joined: 28 Feb 2011
Location: South Africa
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| Thanks RMNC, i felt that your comment was probably most helpful. in your opinion is 2.1-2.2 million won a "good" salary to be earning as a foreigner in Korea? From what i understand you are happy to not spend much money while on the other end of the spectrum there are people who like to throw money around,i consider myself in the middle of these two extremes |
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RMNC
Joined: 21 Jul 2010
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| Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2011 3:08 am Post subject: |
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| 2.1 is a good starter wage for someone working at hagwons. Usually public school employees start at 1.8 or 1.9. |
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CasperTheFriendlyGhost
Joined: 28 Feb 2007
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| Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2011 4:02 am Post subject: |
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| No doubt about it, the pay sucks, and for me at least, the hours are long. I'm at work 9-6 for my measley 2.5 mil. My apartment is similar to the dorm room I moved out of years ago. If money was all you were after, you'd do better to find a decent waitstaff position and save every dollar. I think the Korean inferiority-complex knee-jerk reaction is that only someone desperate for a living would come to Korea to work and live. Korea may lack the glamour of Japan, but there are other reasons besides money to work here. Living simply and opportunities for travel are pretty high on my list. |
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RMNC
Joined: 21 Jul 2010
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| Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2011 4:36 am Post subject: |
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| You have no one to blame but yourself for taking a 9 hour shift, though. |
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