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Ribena
Joined: 07 Apr 2011 Location: UK
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Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2011 12:43 pm Post subject: |
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| rainism wrote: |
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| Very true. However, the FBI CBC + apostille have really helped to thin the herd. |
do you have anything to back up this assertion?
or is it mere idle speculation on your part? |
I don't have stats but I will promise you this, this year Korea and EPIK will see a huge decrease in applicants. As a contract specialist I can already say that the number of contract I've reviewed has gone down by at least half since last year. I've already state that the FBI CBC has a quadrupole effect on employment in Korea. It makes people who can't get one due to arrests leave Korea and keeps those who have a dirty record out, and the process is so time consuming and complicated that many give up or don't do it right. I'll make a post about the numbers once this hiring season is over, but I fully expect there to be an insufficient number of applicants this year for public schools, a radical shift from 2009 when they over-hired. I've talked to tons of people PMing me and emailing me asking about the CBC. I fully encourage higher barriers to trade when it comes to this, though. The harder it is for Joe Fratboy to get into Korea, the more we'll get paid and the better we'll be treated. |
I'm surprised from what I've read on this board it seems the requirements for criminal records check from the UK are very easy. I've had basic checks for Disclosure Scotland in the past, you can apply over the internet and they take about 2 weeks to come through. Also they don't show up old convictions/cautions etc. |
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northway
Joined: 05 Jul 2010
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Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2011 2:56 pm Post subject: |
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| rainism wrote: |
| RMNC wrote: |
| Very true. However, the FBI CBC + apostille have really helped to thin the herd. |
do you have anything to back up this assertion?
or is it mere idle speculation on your part? |
I can tell you that my school has had significantly more difficulty finding suitable candidates than it did in the past, which I assume is due to more stringent visa regulations. |
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naturegirl321

Joined: 18 Jul 2006 Location: Home sweet home
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Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2011 6:54 pm Post subject: |
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Criminal record checks from the UK may be easy, but my friend had to spend a couple hundred pounds to get hers. Some people don't want to spend that kind of cash.
Anyways, back to the OP: look into uni jobs and public schools, pay and benefits seem to be better. |
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robinsoncrusoe
Joined: 22 Jan 2010
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Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2011 8:01 pm Post subject: |
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OP: I personally wouldn't take the 2.1 mil offer because the hours are ridiculous, but I wouldn't keep waiting on the sideline passing up offers. Employers absolutely know the ball's in their court when it comes to hiring right now, but it comes down to where your personal threshold level is. If you had to choose between taking the 2.1 offer and continuing whatever it is you are doing now, how would you choose? What if the offer was 2.0? Are you currently unemployed? It's a case-by-case basis because we each have our own thresholds for what is and isn't acceptable.
i don't have the best offer in the world, but it gets me out of unemployment and living in my parent's basement for a third straight year post-college. It's a pretty low offer for the hours I have, but it was hurting my confidence to continue working free internships and getting paid with pity from my bosses: ("hey robinson, you've been such a fantastic help these last 6 months, i'd totally hire you on the spot...if we had room in our budget. but just know i'd totally hire you right this second if i could.")
also, do you absolutely have to be in Seoul? Would you be willing to expand your search to Daegu, Ulsan, Pohang, Busan, Gwangju, etc? |
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decolyon
Joined: 24 Jul 2010
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Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2011 8:04 pm Post subject: |
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| naturegirl321 wrote: |
Criminal record checks from the UK may be easy, but my friend had to spend a couple hundred pounds to get hers. Some people don't want to spend that kind of cash.
Anyways, back to the OP: look into uni jobs and public schools, pay and benefits seem to be better. |
I only have a BA with no cert. (but 4 year experience, some of that legally tutoring uni students.) I don't see how I could get a desirable Uni job though. And by desirable I mean one in Seoul with proper hours. I've heard of BAs landing Uni gigs out in the sticks, but I'd go bloody stir crazy out in the country side or a small town.
Also, I have a friend with an MA in education and a cert. He landed what looked like a great Uni gig at a well known school in Seoul, but his hours are awful. He's in at like 6am teaching for an hour or two, then he has nothing till the evening when he teaching till 8 or 9 at night. He said it's typical for new Uni teachers to get the classes nobody wants as well.
I did a private school a few years back. I mean a private elementary school, not a public school and not a hagwon. It was an elementary for rich kids. Not bad, but a new principal really took all the fun out of it. Since then I'm a bit nervous about public schools. As I here you don't have your own class, you have to share with your co teacher, desk warming, and the hours aren't great either. |
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chrisinkorea2011
Joined: 16 Jan 2011
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Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2011 10:15 pm Post subject: |
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| decolyon wrote: |
| naturegirl321 wrote: |
Criminal record checks from the UK may be easy, but my friend had to spend a couple hundred pounds to get hers. Some people don't want to spend that kind of cash.
Anyways, back to the OP: look into uni jobs and public schools, pay and benefits seem to be better. |
I only have a BA with no cert. (but 4 year experience, some of that legally tutoring uni students.) I don't see how I could get a desirable Uni job though. And by desirable I mean one in Seoul with proper hours. I've heard of BAs landing Uni gigs out in the sticks, but I'd go bloody stir crazy out in the country side or a small town.
Also, I have a friend with an MA in education and a cert. He landed what looked like a great Uni gig at a well known school in Seoul, but his hours are awful. He's in at like 6am teaching for an hour or two, then he has nothing till the evening when he teaching till 8 or 9 at night. He said it's typical for new Uni teachers to get the classes nobody wants as well.
I did a private school a few years back. I mean a private elementary school, not a public school and not a hagwon. It was an elementary for rich kids. Not bad, but a new principal really took all the fun out of it. Since then I'm a bit nervous about public schools. As I here you don't have your own class, you have to share with your co teacher, desk warming, and the hours aren't great either. |
its VERY rare if at all to get a Uni. Job (decent) with just a BS/BA. And a lot of the Uni jobs right now posted arent the best. It would be better if you could have a connection/know someone there who could help you get a foot in the door. I have 2 cousins who are professors in colleges so that is my ticket after i have a few more years teaching public school. Right now i suggest shooting for public school. Ive met TONS of hagwon teachers and none of their jobs are better than mine. Sure they might get paid more but they get screwed with time and work hours (1 girl was paid 2.7 (she says!) and working from 10am - 730 or  |
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decolyon
Joined: 24 Jul 2010
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Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2011 11:40 pm Post subject: |
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| chrisinkorea2011 wrote: |
| decolyon wrote: |
| naturegirl321 wrote: |
Criminal record checks from the UK may be easy, but my friend had to spend a couple hundred pounds to get hers. Some people don't want to spend that kind of cash.
Anyways, back to the OP: look into uni jobs and public schools, pay and benefits seem to be better. |
I only have a BA with no cert. (but 4 year experience, some of that legally tutoring uni students.) I don't see how I could get a desirable Uni job though. And by desirable I mean one in Seoul with proper hours. I've heard of BAs landing Uni gigs out in the sticks, but I'd go bloody stir crazy out in the country side or a small town.
Also, I have a friend with an MA in education and a cert. He landed what looked like a great Uni gig at a well known school in Seoul, but his hours are awful. He's in at like 6am teaching for an hour or two, then he has nothing till the evening when he teaching till 8 or 9 at night. He said it's typical for new Uni teachers to get the classes nobody wants as well.
I did a private school a few years back. I mean a private elementary school, not a public school and not a hagwon. It was an elementary for rich kids. Not bad, but a new principal really took all the fun out of it. Since then I'm a bit nervous about public schools. As I here you don't have your own class, you have to share with your co teacher, desk warming, and the hours aren't great either. |
its VERY rare if at all to get a Uni. Job (decent) with just a BS/BA. And a lot of the Uni jobs right now posted arent the best. It would be better if you could have a connection/know someone there who could help you get a foot in the door. I have 2 cousins who are professors in colleges so that is my ticket after i have a few more years teaching public school. Right now i suggest shooting for public school. Ive met TONS of hagwon teachers and none of their jobs are better than mine. Sure they might get paid more but they get screwed with time and work hours (1 girl was paid 2.7 (she says!) and working from 10am - 730 or  |
Yeah, women get paid more than we do here. At my old job, a teacher left and my boss asked me to help find a new one. I posted the opening on a few web sites and got some emails and resumes. When we found one we liked we talked to her and then she asked how much was the salary. I asked my boss if I could tell her 2.3 or 2.4.... she said tell her 2.7, but if she flies herself over 2.8! I asked why, she said because she's a female teacher and parents like that more.
I was shocked. I claim discrimination! If I ever take a white girl out on a date here she better not flinch when I try to split the bill. After all, men paying for everything was originally started because we made much more than them. If a chick is making more than me for the same job, she needs to take me out. Buy my movie ticket. Treat me to some starbucks and cake dangit. |
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Ribena
Joined: 07 Apr 2011 Location: UK
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Posted: Fri Apr 22, 2011 1:33 am Post subject: |
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| naturegirl321 wrote: |
Criminal record checks from the UK may be easy, but my friend had to spend a couple hundred pounds to get hers. Some people don't want to spend that kind of cash.
Anyways, back to the OP: look into uni jobs and public schools, pay and benefits seem to be better. |
How did they get their criminal records check. I've been looking on the Disclosure Scotland website and they are charging �25 for the basic disclosure and then you have to pay the FCO �30 for apostille the document. |
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sirius black
Joined: 04 Jun 2010
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Posted: Fri Apr 22, 2011 2:44 am Post subject: |
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Methinks some of you doth protest too much. All this 'you'll be crazy if you took this' or 'desperate' if you take this is often masking a fear that these types of jobs may become the new standard.
Personally, I wouldn't take it but that doesn't mean its a bad job for someone else, just not a good one for you. I wouldn't criticize someone for taking it. If they want to do it for the pay, so be it. There are plenty of worse jobs in our home countries and its often the case that many recent grads in our countries take a job that doesn't pay what they would like, doing something they think is beneath a BS or BA holder as a means to an end. Either just to get a paycheck after not being able to find a job in our field or taking any old job in our field just to get a toe in and experience and hoping to move up or use the experience for the next job.
I couldn't do a kindie job but I find nothing wrong with someone who wants to do it. Its an honest days work.
So, lets be honest about the outrage. Its your fear that the 'party' is over and 'gulp'...may have to go back home and get a 'real' job. And we don't want someone to take those jobs as a passive aggressive form of protest against those types of jobs. |
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West Coast Tatterdemalion
Joined: 31 Aug 2010
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Posted: Fri Apr 22, 2011 7:00 am Post subject: |
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| No fear here. I'll be going home and getting a job, might be better than Korea or might be worse. I don't really care. And I don't care about the job market here. If people are dumb enough not to research and take jobs with split shifts and make a paltry 2.1 million per month, then the hagwons should exploit them. All I am telling you is that I would never accept a job that pays such a measly amount for such absurd working hours and having to deal with Kindy. Kindy is a massive money maker here and these hagwon owners are laughing all the way to the bank. This isn't taking a job in Korea in the early 90's when there was no internet or forums like this one. People today have no excuses to take such crap jobs. |
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hubbahubba
Joined: 31 May 2008
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Posted: Sun Apr 24, 2011 3:56 am Post subject: |
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| sirius black wrote: |
I couldn't do a kindie job but I find nothing wrong with someone who wants to do it. Its an honest days work.
So, lets be honest about the outrage. Its your fear that the 'party' is over and 'gulp'...may have to go back home and get a 'real' job. And we don't want someone to take those jobs as a passive aggressive form of protest against those types of jobs. |
+1 Wow...lol..look how the peanut gallery clammed up. Competition has a way of doing tha. |
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Ribena
Joined: 07 Apr 2011 Location: UK
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Posted: Sun Apr 24, 2011 4:04 am Post subject: |
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I think this forum is rather unfair, in the UK jobs are hard to come by and it doesn't matter if you've been to university it usually counts for very little. There is no point getting upity and saying someone with a degree should expect a certain amount. Many people that went to uni in this country do minimum wage jobs (working in supermarkets/call centres etc) because they have to. There is no shame in that, less so that those content to live on benefits because they consider certain work beneath them.
I've been to university and I've done plenty of crappy jobs in my time. |
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decolyon
Joined: 24 Jul 2010
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Posted: Sun Apr 24, 2011 4:33 am Post subject: |
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| Ribena wrote: |
I think this forum is rather unfair, in the UK jobs are hard to come by and it doesn't matter if you've been to university it usually counts for very little. There is no point getting upity and saying someone with a degree should expect a certain amount. Many people that went to uni in this country do minimum wage jobs (working in supermarkets/call centres etc) because they have to. There is no shame in that, less so that those content to live on benefits because they consider certain work beneath them.
I've been to university and I've done plenty of crappy jobs in my time. |
There's no shame in an honest days work, be it making sandwiches or taking out the trash.
However, Sallie Mae still owns about 35K worth of my arse and 2.1 simply isn't going to provide me a living wage and pay that bissch off. |
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austrian123
Joined: 15 Oct 2010
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Posted: Sun Apr 24, 2011 5:06 am Post subject: |
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| No one is forcing anyone of you guys to stay and work in Korea. If you don't like the conditions or wages being offered, you do have the option to go back and find work at home. What is very amusing is the sense of entitlement that some of you seem to have being foreigners in Korea. You are not hollywood stars, but rather E2 Visa holders who are in Korea because you're having trouble finding work back home. I'd be a little more grateful if I were you. I'd like to see a little less whining and complaining and instead see a sense of gratitude that your are employed all. |
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ZIFA
Joined: 23 Feb 2011 Location: Dici che il fiume..Trova la via al mare
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Posted: Sun Apr 24, 2011 6:09 am Post subject: |
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| Sallie Mae still owns about 35K worth of my arse and 2.1 simply isn't going to provide me a living wage and pay that bissch off. |
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2.1 would easily allow you to repay 1M a month and live comfortably.. -even if you did not want to take on extra work.
Thats far better than what typical stop-gap grad jobs in the west provide. |
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