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Radius
Joined: 20 Dec 2009
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 Posted: Fri Apr 22, 2011 6:17 pm Post subject: Hate Crime--Beatdown in Mickey D's |
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I don't know about other Americans, but I am so happy I left that country. It's sad, though, to watch it go further and further down the tubes.
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=ec0_1303444048 |
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Radius
Joined: 20 Dec 2009
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conrad2
Joined: 05 Nov 2009
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| Posted: Fri Apr 22, 2011 6:34 pm Post subject: Re: Hate Crime--Beatdown in Mickey D's |
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Hate crime? Didn't you get the memo? It's only a hate crime when a white person beats down a person of color- or a homosexual.
If I ever move back to the US, I will be carrying a gun with me at all times. Way too many gangsta types roaming around. I will not be a victim. |
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Fox
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Fri Apr 22, 2011 6:42 pm Post subject: |
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The total indifference the blacks in the restaurant showed for the life of the white woman is completely telling. How often do two young white women nearly beat a black woman to death in a restaurant while everyone stands around and watches? How often do two white woman try to beat someone to death in public period?
What our forum apologists don't realize is that when they're condemning white flight as "disgusting," what they're really condemning is people trying to escape from things such as the scene in this video. It's not, "Oh, I take offense at the skin tone of my neighbors, I'd best move to the suburbs," it's, "My neighbors are atypically statistically likely to try to rob and/or kill me, I'd best move if I want to ensure my family's survival."
There's a huge dysfunction in urban black culture right now. It needs to be resolved, and until it is, everyone is completely within their rights to avoid areas of the country where said culture is present in strong concentrations. If insecure blacks want to accuse me of racism for saying that, that's fine; I'd rather be incorrectly labeled a racist than be beaten to death or shot in public. |
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minos
Joined: 01 Dec 2010
Location: kOREA
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| Posted: Fri Apr 22, 2011 7:16 pm Post subject: |
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| Fox wrote: |
The total indifference the blacks in the restaurant showed for the life of the white woman is completely telling. How often do two young white women nearly beat a black woman to death in a restaurant while everyone stands around and watches? How often do two white woman try to beat someone to death in public period?
What our forum apologists don't realize is that when they're condemning white flight as "disgusting," what they're really condemning is people trying to escape from things such as the scene in this video. It's not, "Oh, I take offense at the skin tone of my neighbors, I'd best move to the suburbs," it's, "My neighbors are atypically statistically likely to try to rob and/or kill me, I'd best move if I want to ensure my family's survival."
There's a huge dysfunction in urban black culture right now. It needs to be resolved, and until it is, everyone is completely within their rights to avoid areas of the country where said culture is present in strong concentrations. If insecure blacks want to accuse me of racism for saying that, that's fine; I'd rather be incorrectly labeled a racist than be beaten to death or shot in public. |
Your point as some merits, but the wrong target and situation.
What about wealthy black communities where I grew up? It's the same as any other. Your arguing class not race. Does anybody wanna live next to poor white trash? I lived with poorer koreans in the countryside. After being robbed like crazy I had to bail and move back to Seoul. They're also rude as hell, curse all the time, drink like sailors, etc.
Old koreans fight all the time in public(indoors and outdoors). Nobody stops them. I've seen far more random street brawls in Korea, much more than the states.
I remember watching a bunch of gyopo gansters have a stabbing matching in Bar zen. Think anybody stopped them or called the cops? Pfft...
Why are koreans such a violent lot? Why are so many old people prone to violence?
Petty crime here is through the roof. I've been robbed. I have some older Korean gangster friends; they'll dispel the myth of law abiding Koreans real quick and point out the dark sides. Alot of stuff isn't reported to the cops because they're useless. In some cases whole gangs are called u to destroy an entire neighborhood in Seoul to develop new apartment complexes. I've seen entire districts looted and destroyed with obvious support by the local government. Complete silence for up to a mile. It's like zombie movie set.
Think this stuff get's reported in crime statistics? They don't bother foreigners(hell, they even befriend you) because they're isn't a point. Start working outside the foreigner bubble and ESL industry and those shady "inner city black neighborhood" elements start showing up real quick.
From psychological sudies, rarely does ANY one of ANY race intervene unless they wanna join in the brawl to help beat somebody down.
As for white flight...that's more of a class issue than purely race based. Granted, some white people move out of Asian suburbs too...
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RMNC
Joined: 21 Jul 2010
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| Posted: Fri Apr 22, 2011 7:23 pm Post subject: |
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Just in case anyone wasn't aware of what went down: The woman is actually a transgendered man who used the woman's bathroom. The girls in the video freaked out once she went into the bathroom and it escalated. The one who filmed it was a McDonald's employee. All of the people that assaulted her have been caught and charged, and the guy who filmed it was fired.
It's said that it will likely end up being a hate crime case. Personally, I hope they throw the book at them. I don't think it has as much to do with her being white as it does her being transgendered.
Still, another great example of why I decided to leave America. |
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Fox
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Fri Apr 22, 2011 7:30 pm Post subject: |
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| minos wrote: |
Old koreans fight all the time in public(indoors and outdoors). Nobody stops them. |
Old Koreans don't regularly beat each other nearly to death in public all the time. The woman was beaten so badly she was having a seizure. What old Korean men do and what urban blacks do is completely incomparable, both in terms of statistical frequency and in terms of end result.
Sure, any country -- and any population group -- has some measure of violence. However, one need only look at crime statistics (which have been repeatedly displayed on these forums, go search if you like, the CE forum is your best bet) to see that American blacks blow the entire rest of the civilized world out of the water in terms of their propensity towards violent crime. The dysfunction of urban black culture is a serious issue, and trying to trivialize it by pointing out that old Korean men at times rough house really isn't reasonable.
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| From psychological sudies, rarely does ANY one of ANY race intervene unless they wanna join in the brawl to help beat somebody down. |
This wasn't a case of bystander effect. We see very early on in the video a McDonald's employee involving himself in the situation half-heartedly. We also see an old woman intervening, and a McDonald's employee coming to her aid when the young black women attack her in retaliation for her intervention. It's very clear the decision to not help this woman whole-heartedly was a calculated choice, not merely the bystander effect. Whether that was because she was transgendered as RMNC tells us or because of the race of the assailants, I don't know. It doesn't especially matter to me either; the important thing is that this is hardly an isolated incident, and no one should be expected to subject themselves to social conditions in which this kind of thing is all too common. |
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Leon
Joined: 31 May 2010
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| Posted: Fri Apr 22, 2011 9:26 pm Post subject: |
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| Fox wrote: |
| minos wrote: |
Old koreans fight all the time in public(indoors and outdoors). Nobody stops them. |
Old Koreans don't regularly beat each other nearly to death in public all the time. The woman was beaten so badly she was having a seizure. What old Korean men do and what urban blacks do is completely incomparable, both in terms of statistical frequency and in terms of end result.
Sure, any country -- and any population group -- has some measure of violence. However, one need only look at crime statistics (which have been repeatedly displayed on these forums, go search if you like, the CE forum is your best bet) to see that American blacks blow the entire rest of the civilized world out of the water in terms of their propensity towards violent crime. The dysfunction of urban black culture is a serious issue, and trying to trivialize it by pointing out that old Korean men at times rough house really isn't reasonable.
| minos wrote: |
| From psychological sudies, rarely does ANY one of ANY race intervene unless they wanna join in the brawl to help beat somebody down. |
This wasn't a case of bystander effect. We see very early on in the video a McDonald's employee involving himself in the situation half-heartedly. We also see an old woman intervening, and a McDonald's employee coming to her aid when the young black women attack her in retaliation for her intervention. It's very clear the decision to not help this woman whole-heartedly was a calculated choice, not merely the bystander effect. Whether that was because she was transgendered as RMNC tells us or because of the race of the assailants, I don't know. It doesn't especially matter to me either; the important thing is that this is hardly an isolated incident, and no one should be expected to subject themselves to social conditions in which this kind of thing is all too common. |
hmmm, could it be related to the poverty? Maybe the lack of opportunity?
White trash isn't any better, before I went to Korea I worked for the census for a little while and had to go conduct interviews in trailer parks. It's not black culture, it's the culture of no hope. |
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Kepler
Joined: 24 Sep 2007
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| Posted: Fri Apr 22, 2011 9:37 pm Post subject: |
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| Leon wrote: |
| Fox wrote: |
| minos wrote: |
Old koreans fight all the time in public(indoors and outdoors). Nobody stops them. |
Old Koreans don't regularly beat each other nearly to death in public all the time. The woman was beaten so badly she was having a seizure. What old Korean men do and what urban blacks do is completely incomparable, both in terms of statistical frequency and in terms of end result.
Sure, any country -- and any population group -- has some measure of violence. However, one need only look at crime statistics (which have been repeatedly displayed on these forums, go search if you like, the CE forum is your best bet) to see that American blacks blow the entire rest of the civilized world out of the water in terms of their propensity towards violent crime. The dysfunction of urban black culture is a serious issue, and trying to trivialize it by pointing out that old Korean men at times rough house really isn't reasonable.
| minos wrote: |
| From psychological sudies, rarely does ANY one of ANY race intervene unless they wanna join in the brawl to help beat somebody down. |
This wasn't a case of bystander effect. We see very early on in the video a McDonald's employee involving himself in the situation half-heartedly. We also see an old woman intervening, and a McDonald's employee coming to her aid when the young black women attack her in retaliation for her intervention. It's very clear the decision to not help this woman whole-heartedly was a calculated choice, not merely the bystander effect. Whether that was because she was transgendered as RMNC tells us or because of the race of the assailants, I don't know. It doesn't especially matter to me either; the important thing is that this is hardly an isolated incident, and no one should be expected to subject themselves to social conditions in which this kind of thing is all too common. |
hmmm, could it be related to the poverty? Maybe the lack of opportunity?
White trash isn't any better, before I went to Korea I worked for the census for a little while and had to go conduct interviews in trailer parks. It's not black culture, it's the culture of no hope. |
26,990,000 white Americans in poverty compared to 9,379,000 black Americans in poverty:
http://www.census.gov/hhes/www/poverty/data/incpovhlth/2009/table4.pdf
So there are a lot more poor white people than poor black people in the US. However, 52.2% of homicides were committed by blacks between 1976 and 2005.
http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/homicide/race.cfm |
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RMNC
Joined: 21 Jul 2010
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| Posted: Fri Apr 22, 2011 9:51 pm Post subject: |
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Yeah but the raw numbers don't mean much if you're trying to make a point about blacks being poor murderers without also showing the [i]percent[/b] of blacks who live in poverty compared to the white people.
38,929,319 Blacks
223,553,265 Whites
38,929,319 \ 9,379,000 = ~24%
223,553,265 \ 26,990,000 = ~12% |
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Fox
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Fri Apr 22, 2011 10:32 pm Post subject: |
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| Leon wrote: |
hmmm, could it be related to the poverty? |
I'm sure poverty plays at least some role. Global statistics which compare poverty to crime-rate (of which plenty have been provided on these forums) strongly imply that it's not a stand-alone answer though; even once poverty is corrected for, a discrepancy remains.
| Leon wrote: |
| Maybe the lack of opportunity? |
Doubtful. Blacks have plenty of opportunity in almost any field. As the old saying goes, though, you can't force the horse to drink. No amount of scholarships, preferential admissions, preferential hiring, and laws custom-tailored to give competitive advantages can force someone to take advantage of them.
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| White trash isn't any better, before I went to Korea I worked for the census for a little while and had to go conduct interviews in trailer parks. |
I'm not sure that statistics reinforce the idea that impoverished whites are not any better, but they certainly are not substantially better.
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| It's not black culture, it's the culture of no hope. |
I've had moderate interaction with participants in urban black culture, and my younger brothers have had quite a bit more, and I see far more at work there than simply a lack of hope. A set of actively dysfunctional values seems to be at work, and only the holders of those values can correct them. There is certainly more at work here than a lack of hope. |
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Kepler
Joined: 24 Sep 2007
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| Posted: Fri Apr 22, 2011 11:00 pm Post subject: |
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| RMNC wrote: |
| Yeah but the raw numbers don't mean much if you're trying to make a point about blacks being poor murderers without also showing the [i]percent[/b] of blacks who live in poverty compared to the white people. |
From the raw numbers you can see that the percentage of the poor that are black is not proportional to the percentage of murderers that are black.
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38,929,319 Blacks
223,553,265 Whites
38,929,319 \ 9,379,000 = ~24%
223,553,265 \ 26,990,000 = ~12% |
These percentages don't tell us much in isolation. You would also have to know the homicide rate of each group.
"In 2005, offending rates for blacks were more than 7 times higher than the rates for whites"
http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/homicide/race.cfm
So the poverty rate among blacks was 2X that of whites but their homicide rate was 7X greater. |
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TECO
Joined: 20 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Sat Apr 23, 2011 2:56 am Post subject: Re: Hate Crime--Beatdown in Mickey D's |
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Radius,
The video doesn't play when the link is clicked. |
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TECO
Joined: 20 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Sat Apr 23, 2011 3:05 am Post subject: |
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The video is available at one of the above links.
What strikes me is the incredible cruelty that many people display towards others. It's very sad to see. |
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recessiontime
Joined: 21 Jun 2010
Location: Got avatar privileges nyahahaha
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