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Space Bar
Joined: 20 Oct 2010
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| caniff wrote: |
I don't have time to search around right now, but would you like to pick out a different thread where we can continue this?
We may just go around in circles, but I'm game. |
Your OP on this is related to the topic of police state only in the sense that any law is representative of one. It is significant and different enough IMO to warrant a thread of its own. |
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mistermasan
Joined: 20 Sep 2007
Location: 10+ yrs on Dave's ESL cafe
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| Posted: Mon Mar 14, 2011 10:38 am Post subject: |
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in my small US town the chief of police doubles as the town administrator. so...the chief of police oversees the day-to-day operations of the village.
when one wants to move in, they need to get a residency permit. it goes unmentioned that the building inspector is also an on-duty police officer. so this guy gets to walk around and search your home without a warrant as your stuff is strewn about in that "just moved" mess.
the zoning board head is also the chief of police.
we have a mayor, but he works full-time in the county courthouse some miles away so...my town is run by the police who get additional pay for doing other jobs as well.
it ain't a police state, it is a police village |
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Space Bar
Joined: 20 Oct 2010
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| Posted: Wed Apr 06, 2011 6:40 am Post subject: |
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Cops confiscate family's 61-year-old basketball hoop
'They threatened to arrest me, and I told them that would be fine'
By RANDALL CHASE Associated Press
DOVER, Del. (AP) � A Delaware mom climbed atop her family's basketball hoop Friday in a short-lived bid to keep authorities from ripping it out and confiscating it.
Transportation workers and state police came to her neighborhood in Wilmington Friday morning to remove several basketball goals that officials said were too close to the roadway.
Several residents were sent letters last year warning them that the state's "Clear Zone" law prohibits trees and other objects from being within seven feet of the pavement's edge in a residential subdivision....
viral video here |
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Leslie Cheswyck
Joined: 31 May 2003
Location: University of Western Chile
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| Posted: Wed Apr 06, 2011 6:48 am Post subject: |
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| Sounds like a slam dunk case. |
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rogue123
Joined: 23 Aug 2009
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| Posted: Wed Apr 06, 2011 10:14 pm Post subject: |
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great book on it
Lockdown America: Police and Prisons in the Age of Crisis
by Christian Parenti |
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rollo
Joined: 10 May 2006
Location: China
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| Posted: Sat Apr 09, 2011 2:27 pm Post subject: |
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| Would a police state allow gun ownership? I assume that many posters have never set foot in the U.S. |
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conrad2
Joined: 05 Nov 2009
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| Posted: Sat Apr 09, 2011 3:02 pm Post subject: |
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| US a police state? Maybe not quite yet. But the main function of the police these days is not to serve and protect. Their main function is to give a large amount of tickets and fine the hell out of people : speeding, jaywalking, etc etc..- in order to create revenue for the state. |
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Fox
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Sat Apr 09, 2011 6:06 pm Post subject: |
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| rollo wrote: |
| Would a police state allow gun ownership? |
Depending on its objectives, it might even encourage gun ownership. |
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Space Bar
Joined: 20 Oct 2010
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| Posted: Fri Apr 22, 2011 9:19 am Post subject: |
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Mom voluntarily brought her daughter to one clinic who medicated her, and then decided to heed another doc's advice and take her off the meds. Then this!
Armed agents kidnap child from mother who used holistic treatments instead of pharmaceutical drugs to treat condition
Friday, April 15, 2011 by: Ethan A. Huff, staff writer
(NaturalNews) Maryanne Godboldo of Detroit, Mich., recently learned the hard way that freedom of choice in medicine is no longer tolerated by the medical mafia in the supposed "land of the free." Recently, armed officers from the Special Response Team (SRT) of the Detroit Police Department (DPD), at the command of Child Protective Services (CPS), unlawfully kicked down the door of Godboldo's home and kidnapped her 13-year-old child. Her crime? Maryanne chose to follow the lead of a doctor's recommendation to take her daughter off a pharmaceutical drug treatment recommendation for psychosis that was worsening the child's symptoms, and instead chose to use natural remedies to treat the condition... |
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caniff
Joined: 03 Feb 2004
Location: All over the map
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| Posted: Fri Apr 22, 2011 6:16 pm Post subject: |
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My friend has been dealing with Crohn's disease for years, but he went off his meds about 2 years ago. He was convinced they were killing him. He's since gained about 30 pounds (he's still a little underweight, but a hell of a lot better).
He told me about how his doctors and nurses would totally hound him in person and by phone and say he was gonna die if he didn't buy the pill cocktails. It was a morbid, creepy and amazingly profit-oriented tale of an industry that needs people to swallow shit that creates more problems than it solves. |
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sirius black
Joined: 04 Jun 2010
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| Posted: Sat Apr 23, 2011 3:39 am Post subject: |
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| conrad2 wrote: |
| US a police state? Maybe not quite yet. But the main function of the police these days is not to serve and protect. Their main function is to give a large amount of tickets and fine the hell out of people : speeding, jaywalking, etc etc..- in order to create revenue for the state. |
Agree 100% on this one. Local and state police are often no more than revenue generating organizations. Police are placed at locales that generate tickets under the guise of public safety instead of patrolling the areas where there are high incidents of crime or just patrolling all areas.
Parking meter fines or parking on the wrong side of the street for street cleaning fines keep going up and up in many cities. Why? Its an inconvenience to your fellow citizen, sure but does it warrant the amounts that are charged and the steady increases? |
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sirius black
Joined: 04 Jun 2010
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| Posted: Sat Apr 23, 2011 3:58 am Post subject: |
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| caniff wrote: |
My friend has been dealing with Crohn's disease for years, but he went off his meds about 2 years ago. He was convinced they were killing him. He's since gained about 30 pounds (he's still a little underweight, but a hell of a lot better).
He told me about how his doctors and nurses would totally hound him in person and by phone and say he was gonna die if he didn't buy the pill cocktails. It was a morbid, creepy and amazingly profit-oriented tale of an industry that needs people to swallow shit that creates more problems than it solves. |
The medical industry almost sole purpose is to maintain profit. You may be against national healthcare for constitutional and civil libertarian reasons which is fine whether one agrees or not, the intention, if you are against it on that ground is noble.
However, the medical industry is against it based solely on a profit motive and not because of any altruistic reasoning. Pharmaceutical companies, the AMA (Amer. Medical Assoc.), HMOs & Hospitals, etc.
The AMA should have the hippocratic oath as its first and foremost objective but some believe that its main purpose is to maintain a high income for doctors and it works to keep the number of doctors limited to that effect. Under the guise of safe healthcare, it severely limits many who are qualified to be doctors.
...economist Milton Friedman, have asserted that the organization acts as a guild and has attempted to increase physicians' wages and fees by influencing limitations on the supply of physicians and non-physician competition. In Free to Choose, Friedman said "the AMA has engaged in extensive litigation charging chiropractors and osteopathic physicians with the unlicensed practice of medicine, in an attempt to restrict them to as narrow an area as possible
The AMA has been against practically all attempts at bettering the distribution of health care in its history.
It was originally against HMOs, Medicare,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Medical_Association |
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sirius black
Joined: 04 Jun 2010
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I don't know if it fits the definition of a police state but we have become a state where there are very little civil liberties.
E mail and cell phone eavesdropping are legally the same as a letter you receive by post. However, the government with its use of the echelon computer can legally intercept your email or eavesdrop on your cell phone under the guise of public safety. 911 has given the government its excuse to violate our civil liberties. In fact, it was being used before 911.
http://inteldaily.com/2010/11/eavesdropping-world/
In the end, if we have lost civil liberties its our own faults collectively. The government can not do what the majority of citizens won't let it do at this time.
We get the government we deserve. Currently by apathy and inaction.
I fear we no longer live in a free and fair republic and that most Americans believe in an America that no longer exists...perhaps never did. Alexis de Toqueville who toured America in the early 1800s once said this about the USA:
The American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers that it can bribe the public with the public's money. |
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Space Bar
Joined: 20 Oct 2010
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| Posted: Tue Apr 26, 2011 1:32 am Post subject: |
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If you are homeless, shouldn't you be able to send your kid to school anywhere?
Mom faces 20 years for sending son to better school
Mon Apr 25, 5:25 pm ET
Education activists are rallying around a homeless woman who may face jail time for enrolling her son in kindergarten under a friend's address. Supporters say the woman's story is yet another dismaying example of inequality in the U.S. education system.
Tanya McDowell, a homeless single mother from Bridgeport, is charged with first-degree larceny and conspiracy to commit first-degree larceny for signing up her 5-year-old son to attend nearby Norwalk schools under the address of a friend. (Her son went to the school for four months. Her friend has been evicted from public housing for letting McDowell use her address.) McDowell may face up to 20 years in prison and a $15,000 fine if convicted.
Gwen Samuel, a Connecticut education activist, is organizing a press conference to try to get the charges dropped and raise awareness about parents who are criminally prosecuted, rather than dealt with individually by the school district, for using false addresses.
She says she expects a few hundred people to show up at Norwalk superior court at 9 a.m. Wednesday, including Kelley Williams-Bolar (pictured), the Akron, Ohio-based mom who made national news in January, when she was jailed for using her father's address to send her kids to a better-performing school. Bolar's story ignited a debate about inequalities in the public education system, where poorer parents must send their kids to poorer schools because much of the funding is on the local level.
"This will continue to happen--this will set a precedent and districts will be like, 'OK I found a new way to get my money back, let's go after them,'" Samuel tells The Lookout.
Boyce Watkins, a Syracuse university professor and activist, tells The Lookout that Williams-Bolar heard about McDowell's case and wanted to support her. "Kelley called me and said, 'I can't believe they're doing this to her, how can I help?'" She's now on her way to Connecticut, and her trip is paid for by Samuel's newly founded non-profit Connecticut Parents Union.
"First it happens to Kelley, then it happens to Tanya--they both happen to be poor black mothers trying to find a way to provide a better life for their children," Watkins said.
Samuel says McDowell "absolutely" sent her son to the Norwalk kindergarten because she knew it was better than the schools in nearby Bridgeport. "If you could see ... where he is now compared to Brookside, you'd see why I chose Norwalk," McDowell told the Daily Norwalk of her son's new school, Thomas Hooker Elementary School in Bridgeport.
"There has to be a penalty for stealing our services," school board president Jack Chiaramonte countered in The Daily Norwalk.
McDowell, who used to work in food services, told the Stamford Advocate she occasionally stayed in a Norwalk homeless shelter--but she didn't register there, which would have made her son eligible to attend the school. "I had no idea whatsoever that if you enroll your child in another school district, it becomes a crime," the 33-year-old told the paper.
Parents are rarely criminally prosecuted for using false addresses. |
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Fox
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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Sen. Schumer proposes "no-ride list" for Amtrak trains.
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(Reuters) - A senator on Sunday called for a "no-ride list" for Amtrak trains after intelligence gleaned from the raid on Osama bin Laden's compound pointed to potential attacks on the nation's train system.
Sen. Charles Schumer said he would push as well for added funding for rail security and commuter and passenger train track inspections and more monitoring of stations nationwide.
"Circumstances demand we make adjustments by increasing funding to enhance rail safety and monitoring on commuter rail transit and screening who gets on Amtrak passenger trains, so that we can provide a greater level of security to the public," the New York Democrat said at a news conference.
U.S. officials last week said evidence found after the raid on bin Laden's compound in Pakistan indicated the al Qaeda leader or his associates had engaged in discussions or planning for a possible attack on a train inside the United States on September 11, 2011.
Schumer, citing U.S. intelligence analysts, said attacks were also considered on Christmas and New Year's Day and following the president's State of the Union address.
He called on the U.S. Department of Homeland Security to expand the Secure Flight monitoring program, which cross-checks air travelers with the terror watch list in an attempt to prevent anyone on the "no-fly list" from boarding, for use on Amtrak.
Such a procedure would create an Amtrak "no-ride list" to keep suspected terrorists off the U.S. rail system, he said.
The September 11 Commission recommended in 2004 that the government check travelers' names against terror watch lists before they board passenger trains or cruise ships, but such a program was not adopted.
Schumer noted that rail and port security grant funding was cut by $50 million under last month's federal budget compromise, but he said developments warrant reconsideration and increased rail safety funding. |
Totally predictable. |
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