|
Korean Job Discussion Forums
"The Internet's Meeting Place for ESL/EFL Teachers from Around the World!"
|
| View previous topic :: View next topic |
| Author |
Message |
Leon
Joined: 31 May 2010
|
 Posted: Mon Apr 25, 2011 1:32 am Post subject: |
 |
|
| Fox wrote: |
| Leon wrote: |
The video is a single incident.
|
Not a single incident, Leon. A single example. And it needn't even have been racially motivated to prove my point; Black-on-Black violence is just as bad, just as unacceptable, just as problematic. Whether this attack was racially motivated, orientation motivated, or just plain malicious, it's an example of something not at all uncommon in American Black culture: needless, excessive violence.
| Leon wrote: |
| As of now, as far as I know, there are no published statistics, as far as I can tell. |
Then there's no real point in talking about it any longer.
| Leon wrote: |
| There is some truth to what you say, but failing schools also have less resources, bigger class sizes, etc. Separate but not equal. |
Resources are over-rated. Class size may be relevant on a case-by-case basis (and in general I certainly would agree with efforts to reduce class sizes for all children in America), but I've taught enough big classes to recognize that, again, how much that extra class size hurts depends largely on who you're teaching. A larger class size with well mannered students is a mild detriment; a larger class size with ruffians is a catastrophe.
| Leon wrote: |
| Look at how blacks are portrayed by the media. It's pretty one dimensional in many cases. |
There have been a number of fairly well-argued cases made on the CE forums that the American media actually goes out of its way to hide the extent of the problem. What you call "becoming better" actually ranges somewhere between simply not reporting on legitimate news stories to avoid being accused of racism and outright deception, and in the rare (compared to rate of occurrence) when serious Black crime is reported on, very frequently totally irrelevant information about White crime will be included to compensate and "provide context," (in fact, this happens so frequently that posters like ThingsComeAround are actually attacking people for not doing the same thing in casual forum posts!). And don't even get started about entertainment media, which (reality TV excepted) actively goes out of its way to ennoble Blacks. Reality TV would do the same if it could, but the downside of actually using real people is that you get, well, real results.
| Leon wrote: |
| If you are constantly told that you, or your people, are one way, then is it really all that surprising that it begins to affect how people see themselves. |
When the President of the nation is Black, Blacks have strong representation in Congress, Blacks run a number of local governments, and Blacks can find a number of role-models in sports, entertainment, academics, public service, and the business world, I think it's time to put this idea to rest. How much more, "Yes, you can!" is needed before we realize that the values you learn from your parents and friends are what really matters, and the ideas expressed in the national media are ultimately trivial? If presentation of a positive image was sufficient to reform Black culture, it should have paid serious dividends by now. It has not. |
The president is not African american, he is half African and half white. That's not really that relevant, I'll admit, just a pet peeve. I do like how you overlooked my point about meth. I agree that there is a problem with black urban dwellers, but that it is hardly a unique situation, nor is it the boogeyman you portray it to be. I've been robbed by whites, never by blacks, despite living in areas with roughly the same pop. %. I think that I mostly take exception with your portrayal of it as such a singular problem. |
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
Fox
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
|
| Posted: Mon Apr 25, 2011 1:38 am Post subject: |
|
|
| Leon wrote: |
I do like how you overlooked my point about meth.
|
I don't know enough about that particular topic to talk about it seriously, so I thought it was just better to say nothing; I guess I should have at least acknowledged you posted it. I'll look at your links later. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Leon
Joined: 31 May 2010
|
| Posted: Mon Apr 25, 2011 4:00 am Post subject: |
|
|
| Fox wrote: |
| Leon wrote: |
I do like how you overlooked my point about meth.
|
I don't know enough about that particular topic to talk about it seriously, so I thought it was just better to say nothing; I guess I should have at least acknowledged you posted it. I'll look at your links later. |
Fair enough. The meth links was the only way I could think of to "prove" my point about the trailer parks and a similar white culture. It's not precise, but we have to make do with what we have. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
rumdiary
Joined: 05 Jun 2006
|
| Posted: Mon Apr 25, 2011 11:31 am Post subject: |
|
|
| vDroop wrote: |
Heh...
And people ask me when I'm coming back home...
One reason would be the lack social grace and marketable skills required to find and hold a job back home. |
And another reason would be that your studio apartment is heated which makes it nicer than your parents basement. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
rumdiary
Joined: 05 Jun 2006
|
| Posted: Mon Apr 25, 2011 3:50 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| Fox wrote: |
You said:
| Rumdairy wrote: |
| I don't get this whole, "American is going to hell in a handbag" thing. |
The explanation happens to involve race. |
You tried to make it an issue of race when it is not. Your own links proved my point. Crime is going down. The murder rate is going down. But people still think violence in America is getting worse because so many violent acts are caught on video and displayed for the world to see. I'm not arguing over which race commits more crime. My point is only that crime in America has declined but people still seem to think it's getting worse. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
shifter2009
Joined: 03 Sep 2006
Location: wisconsin
|
| Posted: Mon Apr 25, 2011 4:25 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| rumdiary wrote: |
| Fox wrote: |
You said:
| Rumdairy wrote: |
| I don't get this whole, "American is going to hell in a handbag" thing. |
The explanation happens to involve race. |
You tried to make it an issue of race when it is not. Your own links proved my point. Crime is going down. The murder rate is going down. But people still think violence in America is getting worse because so many violent acts are caught on video and displayed for the world to see. I'm not arguing over which race commits more crime. My point is only that crime in America has declined but people still seem to think it's getting worse. |
The worst thing about the situation is it forces politicians to stick to "tough" on crime stances. It absolutely inexcusable the rate we are incarcerating people in the US. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
jfromtheway
Joined: 20 Nov 2010
|
| Posted: Mon Apr 25, 2011 4:30 pm Post subject: |
|
|
Well said Leon and others. Lo and behold, I get back from vacation, click through a couple topics, and find this. Fox's phyletic-based hatred for blacks spewing out once again on this board.
A cursory glance at society, crime statistics, and a youtube video will only give you one side of an extremely complex phenomenon. You can hate black people for stealing your girlfriend, taking part of your tax dollars, or whatever the hell it is that makes you so sick inside that you feel the need to discharge your animosity for black people all over a Korean message board.
But you are pushing it Fox, and it's not appreciated by me. To consistently and hyperbolically castigate a race of people the way you do, makes me think that you are mentally sick in some way or tormented inside by the non-existent bogeyman Leon mentioned. But hey, I know essentially nothing about you besides you being an older gentleman who is, apparently, extremely racist.
You need to tone it down though, brother. The things you say would be acceptable at a Klan barn rally in Kentucky, but generally no where else in the world could you get away with your garbage extrapolation. Only in an anonymous forum consisting of white people and Korean-Americans. And that's sad. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Fox
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
|
| Posted: Mon Apr 25, 2011 4:31 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| rumdiary wrote: |
| You tried to make it an issue of race when it is not. |
It is an issue, and an issue that one must understand if one is to understand the answer to the question you (evidently in a purely rhetorical fashion) asked. You don't want to. That's fine.
| rumdiary wrote: |
| Your own links proved my point. Crime is going down. |
Look at the United States prison population. When the reason for crime going down is mass incarceration at a level beyond anything seen in the rest of the civilized world, it's not something to crow about in triumph. But hey, what's the big deal right? It's not like it's the Great Depression.
| rumdiary wrote: |
| I'm not arguing over which race commits more crime. |
You've all ready made that clear, which leaves me perplexed as to why you decided, a day later, to respond to me again after I acknowledged that.
| rumdiary wrote: |
| My point is only that ... |
You've made your point. It has nothing to do with why people feel the way they do, for reasons I've tried to explain to you but which you've refused to engage with. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
Location: Earth, Solar System
|
| Posted: Mon Apr 25, 2011 6:55 pm Post subject: |
|
|
So let's get back to this- was this a hate crime or not?
Because from where I'm standing the victim got treated to the treatment the assailant would have given to any woman who "looked at her man". |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
ThingsComeAround
Joined: 07 Nov 2008
|
| Posted: Mon Apr 25, 2011 7:23 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| Steelrails wrote: |
So let's get back to this- was this a hate crime or not?
Because from where I'm standing the victim got treated to the treatment the assailant would have given to any woman who "looked at her man". |
Tough call. He was very offensive (lets face it, a bathroom is somewhat of a sanctuary) the least he could have done was pee sitting down or close the door behind him, but he treated the women's room like it was a guy's lav- and got beaten for it. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
kenglish
Joined: 10 Mar 2011
|
| Posted: Mon Apr 25, 2011 9:57 pm Post subject: Re: Hate Crime--Beatdown in Mickey D's |
|
|
| conrad2 wrote: |
Hate crime? Didn't you get the memo? It's only a hate crime when a white person beats down a person of color- or a homosexual.
If I ever move back to the US, I will be carrying a gun with me at all times. Way too many gangsta types roaming around. I will not be a victim. |
lol only white people are allowed to hate? is it because when a lesser race does that it's considered as jealousy? |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
RangerMcGreggor
Joined: 12 Jan 2011
Location: Somewhere in Korea
|
| Posted: Mon Apr 25, 2011 10:13 pm Post subject: |
|
|
[quote="Leon"][quote="Fox"]
| Leon wrote: |
The president is not African american, he is half African and half white. That's not really that relevant, I'll admit, just a pet peeve. |
He is "black." Many black people are actually mixed (Malcolm X was 1/4th white) but "one drop rule" dictates they are as black as someone with no white blood. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Leon
Joined: 31 May 2010
|
| Posted: Mon Apr 25, 2011 10:26 pm Post subject: |
|
|
[quote="RangerMcGreggor"][quote="Leon"]
| Fox wrote: |
| Leon wrote: |
The president is not African american, he is half African and half white. That's not really that relevant, I'll admit, just a pet peeve. |
He is "black." Many black people are actually mixed (Malcolm X was 1/4th white) but "one drop rule" dictates they are as black as someone with no white blood. |
This is one of the most ignorant things I've ever read. What an ill-founded, racist, "rule". He was raised by a single white woman. He is definetly not African American in the true sense of the word. Culturally he is more white than black. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
methdxman
Joined: 14 Sep 2010
|
| Posted: Mon Apr 25, 2011 10:40 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| This thread is why America as the greatest country on the planet is over and done. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
lithium
Joined: 18 Jun 2008
|
| Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2011 7:02 am Post subject: Re: Hate Crime--Beatdown in Mickey D's |
|
|
America will continue to go down the tubes as long as Obama is in the White House. Look how far we have fallen in the short time he has been there. We cannot survive another four years of this guy. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
|
|
You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum
|
|
FAQ
Search
Memberlist
Usergroups
Register
Profile
Log in to check your private messages
Log in
