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jrwhite82

Joined: 22 May 2010
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Posted: Sun Apr 24, 2011 10:54 pm Post subject: Re: Why work at a public school with a co-teacher? (INSANE) |
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| You're just asking for trouble. Yeah I know there are some that can be cool and/or hot but man having someone scrutinize how I teach all the time and nitpicking about everything? There is no way I would ever work at a public school (again). |
And back to the OP - I could start a thread that says - Why work at a hagwon with a Wonjongnim - (INSANE)
You're asking for trouble. Yeah I know there are some that can be cool (I refuse to copy "hot") but man having someone scrutinize how I teach all the time and nitpicking about everything? There is no way I would ever work at a hagwon (again).
I don't feel like taking the time, but I'm almost sure the number of threads for Wonjongnims compared to CT is probably equal...if not in favor of CTs being easier to work with. And the worst offenses brought by Wonjongnims are far greater than those of CTs. They hit you in the wallet with 11th month firings, shutting doors with no notice, pension tricks, scapegoating you for students quitting, etc...the worst CTs hit you with last minute required "invites" to staff dinners, undermining you in front of students, overly and/or senseless criticisms, and bad mouthing you to the VP. |
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winterfall
Joined: 21 May 2009
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Posted: Sun Apr 24, 2011 11:22 pm Post subject: |
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The secrete is to just ignore them. I've got one real nitwit who thinks my class is too difficult and boring. Despite the fact I use Baam, Mario, Robots and Aliens. plus pop songs.
She complains when I use the Andrew Finch PHD Tell Me More worksheets. She's really got it in for me. The worksheets are awesome it really gets the students speaking. I personally can't stand her.She also hates it when I use Interchange too. In short she complains a lot when I actually teach. She only likes it when I'm playing games. She belittles and downplays the students abilities. I'm seriously thinking of reporting to the POE her advice is really deliberately bad. |
I've got an ajusshi that does this. I use hands on activities & pictionaries at a tech school. Making lessons that tech kids can do & enjoy is RIDICULOUSLY, UNGODLY hard. Especially if you don't have multimedia. But you just find some way to make it work. No matter how good the lesson goes, 100% participation, kids are studying hard, having fun. The ajusshi finds something to complain about or he disappears, reappears at the end of class and makes pot shots about lesson form.
OP don't take it personal, they're just losers. They should've quit years ago, did something else with their lives. But no they stayed cause its a job and they don't want anyone reminding them how a real teacher's supposed to act. Going to the POE isn't an option, most of the really crap vile teachers are in the late 40's / over 50. They're close to retirement, no one will do anything |
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Ribena
Joined: 07 Apr 2011 Location: UK
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Posted: Mon Apr 25, 2011 12:03 am Post subject: |
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I've taught in public schools in the UK and the reality is that many people have differing opinions on the best way to teach, I don't think any are automatically correct just because those ideas belong to you. Different cultures have different ideas on how children learn too, I don't see why people find this so unusual.
If you were training to be a qualified teacher in the UK you would have to go through months and months of people criticising your lesson plans and teaching, yes some are nice and constructive but some can be very critical but I think its woth giving their opinion some consideration and not automatically dismissing it because it doesn't fit in your view of how things should be done.
I didn't like some of my uni tutors eudcation theories but I wanted to pass so I taught the class the way he wanted. |
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winterfall
Joined: 21 May 2009
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Posted: Mon Apr 25, 2011 2:38 am Post subject: |
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| Ribena wrote: |
I've taught in public schools in the UK and the reality is that many people have differing opinions on the best way to teach, I don't think any are automatically correct just because those ideas belong to you. Different cultures have different ideas on how children learn too, I don't see why people find this so unusual.
If you were training to be a qualified teacher in the UK you would have to go through months and months of people criticising your lesson plans and teaching, yes some are nice and constructive but some can be very critical but I think its woth giving their opinion some consideration and not automatically dismissing it because it doesn't fit in your view of how things should be done.
I didn't like some of my uni tutors eudcation theories but I wanted to pass so I taught the class the way he wanted. |
That's a good point. But I'd really like to hear one of my co-teachers, whom I've lost all respect for. Justify why its okay to teach the University Test to kids who can barely count past ten. Besides saying "They know this. They're just confused" Despite me showing him overwhelming evidence that yes this 18 year old keeps saying ten-one instead of eleven. Or this recent graduate counts to one hundred with his fingers saying "Ten, ten, ten, ten...." |
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schwa
Joined: 18 Jan 2003 Location: Yap
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Posted: Mon Apr 25, 2011 3:23 am Post subject: |
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I've worked with dozens of Korean co-teachers over the years, some of them for several years. By & large, I have a lot of respect for them.
They've helped me, I've helped them. You get a good collaboration going & you can share a lot of insights into students, methods, how to do better, etc.
I've observed a fair number of hotshot young NETs who figured they had it all over their partner teachers when in fact they were leaving most of their students in a clueless fog. I've observed a fair number of older NETs with teaching qualifications who bored their students silly but wouldnt take a word of advice from their co-teachers.
Sure, you might get stuck with a truly incompetent co-teacher, but in my experience most of them are capable, well-meaning, & worth heeding. |
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Slowmotion
Joined: 15 Aug 2009
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Posted: Mon Apr 25, 2011 5:36 am Post subject: |
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| It really all depends on your school. All my co teachers are cool and very supportive. They never demand I do anything. |
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Fishead soup
Joined: 24 Jun 2007 Location: Korea
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Posted: Mon Apr 25, 2011 3:47 pm Post subject: |
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| schwa wrote: |
I've worked with dozens of Korean co-teachers over the years, some of them for several years. By & large, I have a lot of respect for them.
They've helped me, I've helped them. You get a good collaboration going & you can share a lot of insights into students, methods, how to do better, etc.
I've observed a fair number of hotshot young NETs who figured they had it all over their partner teachers when in fact they were leaving most of their students in a clueless fog. I've observed a fair number of older NETs with teaching qualifications who bored their students silly but wouldnt take a word of advice from their co-teachers.
Sure, you might get stuck with a truly incompetent co-teacher, but in my experience most of them are capable, well-meaning, & worth heeding. |
Why play Hangman, Bingo Jeopardy when you know the students can do the majority of the dialogues from Interchange. We're contracted to teach conversational English. Not English day care. |
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alistaircandlin
Joined: 24 Sep 2004 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Mon Apr 25, 2011 4:04 pm Post subject: |
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In my opinion, and in my experience working at a public school is an entirely different ball game to working at a Hagwon.
At a public school, the whole atmosphere is more professional, and concerned with education. At Hagwons it's all about pleasing the parents, keeping the students on roll, and making money.
The big difficulty at a public school is classroom and behavioural management. As a previous poster pointed out, you are expected to be able to do this. I think this is a very big ask for an inexperienced teacher, and this is where some people might have problems - they are unsure about how to manage big classes, and things just go downhill from there.
This is not a criticism at all - I don't think there's any way one would know how to manage large classes, without some sort of training. I guess I'm just saying that in my opinion, researching classroom management, and using some strategies to manage behaviour, would improve at lot of foreign teachers' experience of working in public schools. It's not an easy thing, and there is no magic bullet, but I feel that this is the main source of frustration with teaching - the kids don't behave, the teacher becomes stressed and dissillusioned, and stops making effort. |
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Fishead soup
Joined: 24 Jun 2007 Location: Korea
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Posted: Mon Apr 25, 2011 4:32 pm Post subject: |
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| alistaircandlin wrote: |
In my opinion, and in my experience working at a public school is an entirely different ball game to working at a Hagwon.
At a public school, the whole atmosphere is more professional, and concerned with education. At Hagwons it's all about pleasing the parents, keeping the students on roll, and making money.
The big difficulty at a public school is classroom and behavioural management. As a previous poster pointed out, you are expected to be able to do this. I think this is a very big ask for an inexperienced teacher, and this is where some people might have problems - they are unsure about how to manage big classes, and things just go downhill from there.
This is not a criticism at all - I don't think there's any way one would know how to manage large classes, without some sort of training. I guess I'm just saying that in my opinion, researching classroom management, and using some strategies to manage behaviour, would improve at lot of foreign teachers' experience of working in public schools. It's not an easy thing, and there is no magic bullet, but I feel that this is the main source of frustration with teaching - the kids don't behave, the teacher becomes stressed and dissillusioned, and stops making effort. |
If you have a competent co-teacher in the room who the students respect classroom management is not a problem. These days there is a push towards teaching smaller groups of students in the English Zone. This is much better |
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loubird
Joined: 27 May 2010
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Posted: Mon Apr 25, 2011 9:39 pm Post subject: |
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| Or you can do what I do; teach at a public school with no co-teacher. Just make sure you're good at classroom control and taking attendance in Korean. |
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Fishead soup
Joined: 24 Jun 2007 Location: Korea
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Posted: Mon Apr 25, 2011 9:58 pm Post subject: |
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| loubird wrote: |
| Or you can do what I do; teach at a public school with no co-teacher. Just make sure you're good at classroom control and taking attendance in Korean. |
Good move. I'm doing this in the English Zone. It's relatively stress free. |
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Zackback
Joined: 05 Nov 2010 Location: Kyungbuk
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Posted: Tue Apr 26, 2011 12:30 am Post subject: |
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Isn't it illegal to teach in a public school without a Korean co-teacher?
Not sure...just what I thought?? |
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jrwhite82

Joined: 22 May 2010
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Posted: Tue Apr 26, 2011 2:06 am Post subject: |
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| It is absolutely not illegal. There are guidelines made by GEPIK and or the ministry of ed that says we should not, unless necessary. After school classes will almost always be alone. During the day, you will usually have a CT, but things come up. |
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ESL Milk "Everyday
Joined: 12 Sep 2007
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Posted: Tue Apr 26, 2011 2:37 am Post subject: |
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If you work in a hagwon, you have to try to please the parents.
If you work in a public school, you have to please your co-teachers.
This can be good or bad either way, but parents tend to suck more than co-teachers. |
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oldtrafford
Joined: 12 Jan 2011
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Posted: Tue Apr 26, 2011 6:04 am Post subject: |
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love it!!
Why play Hangman, Bingo Jeopardy when you know the students can do the majority of the dialogues from Interchange. We're contracted to teach conversational English. Not English day care.
Foreigners (twenty something young bucks and the majority unqualified and wouldn't be allowed to step foot into a classroom in most countries) going to the POE to complain about a qualified Korean teacher.
The best thing I've read all day. You have know understanding of Korean culture, I'll tell ya: there's a totem pole and you are at the very very bottom!! Know your place Johnny foreigner!!!  |
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