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SO, yesterday I saw a Foreigner...
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Hokie21



Joined: 01 Mar 2011

PostPosted: Mon Apr 25, 2011 12:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

northway wrote:
conrad2 wrote:
In 2007 a Korean guy killed 32 and injured many others at Virginia Tech University. I never thought wow "he must think it his country to behave that way" or '"Koreans should go back to Korea". Furthermore Korean Americans had no reason to feel individual shame over that incident.


That guy moved to the States when he was eight, pretty sure it's on us.


As a Virginia Tech graduate, and someone who went to school with that scumbag for 3 years, and also had classes in two of the rooms that the majority of the shooting took place I don't see how you can blame the US or South Korea over the incident. The kid had an older sister who is a Princeton University graduate and he was on his way to receiving a degree from VT, so he obviously had opportunities in life, he was just a mentally deranged lunatic.
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JMO



Joined: 18 Jul 2006
Location: Daegu

PostPosted: Mon Apr 25, 2011 4:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

People here (Koreans and foreigners) jaywalk all the time here. Especially at lights were people can anticipate the lights and know when they are free to go...and the small side-street ones. The only people I see stopping at those with kids and I stop too then, cos I assume that they are setting an example..I probably shouldn't mess that up.

I did get whistled at by a lollipop man(crossing guard) one day near an elementary school as I had obliviously walked thru a red at a side street. I was eating an ice crean, jumped about about a foot in the air at the whistle and then looked over to see him cackling. Obviously not that big of a deal.

I would say the koreans were reacting to the guys manner as pretty much everyone standing there would have jaywalked at some time or another.
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northway



Joined: 05 Jul 2010

PostPosted: Mon Apr 25, 2011 4:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hokie21 wrote:
northway wrote:
conrad2 wrote:
In 2007 a Korean guy killed 32 and injured many others at Virginia Tech University. I never thought wow "he must think it his country to behave that way" or '"Koreans should go back to Korea". Furthermore Korean Americans had no reason to feel individual shame over that incident.


That guy moved to the States when he was eight, pretty sure it's on us.


As a Virginia Tech graduate, and someone who went to school with that scumbag for 3 years, and also had classes in two of the rooms that the majority of the shooting took place I don't see how you can blame the US or South Korea over the incident. The kid had an older sister who is a Princeton University graduate and he was on his way to receiving a degree from VT, so he obviously had opportunities in life, he was just a mentally deranged lunatic.


My point was that it's a bit absurd to call the guy Korean when he'd spent most of his life living in the States, regardless of citizenship.
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RangerMcGreggor



Joined: 12 Jan 2011
Location: Somewhere in Korea

PostPosted: Mon Apr 25, 2011 5:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Everytime I see someone break the sacred jaywalking laws, I track the heretics down (making sure I don't jaywalk of course) and give them a good lecture on traffic laws. If they don't listen, I just whack them with my big stick of justice, and quietly apologize to all nearby Koreans for having one of my people shame and disrespect their country. I sometimes feel ashamed that my fellow foreigners do not respect the laws of this beautiful country of kimchi and culture.
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CentralCali



Joined: 17 May 2007

PostPosted: Mon Apr 25, 2011 7:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm very curious now where in Korea some of you live. I've seen Koreans jaywalking with abandon in Seoul, a few cities in Gyeonggi-do, in Busan, and in Daegu. Those jaywalking were enjoying that endeavor while crossing small neighborhood streets and main streets, including major thoroughfares, often with cars, buses, and large trucks bearing down.

Really, where is it in this country that the jaywalking ordinance is treated with respect?
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madtownhustl



Joined: 04 Jun 2009

PostPosted: Mon Apr 25, 2011 10:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

you should have seen all the jaywalkers and flower pickers during the Yeoido cherry blossam thingamajig...Most of them Korean!
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ESL Milk "Everyday



Joined: 12 Sep 2007

PostPosted: Mon Apr 25, 2011 11:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jaywalking is mostly a bad idea here because the cars and trucks don't seem to care if they kill you...

Anyway, even though the Koreans in the story were worse, I can still see the OP's point-- I've been at events where some of the foreigners were going overboard with their 'look-at-me-I'm-special' BS and of course all the Koreans with their group-mentality assume that we're together and I'm like that too and it's pretty annoying.

Seriously, some people seem to automatically conclude that the reason that the Koreans aren't being like that is because they're scared-- and secretly wishing that the expats would come along and show them all how to really have fun.

I don't remember public attention-whoring being rude back home, but it should have been... it's a big part of the general moral decline of a profoundly narcissistic society, and it's what usually leads to Koreans hating us so much. It seems to be a trait endemic among Americans and Canadians-- don't think I've seen too many Aus, Kiwi, Brit, or S. Africans like this, but that could be just because they tend to be minorities within the expat community, so they get to sit back and grumble about it.
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trogdor



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 26, 2011 12:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wow that's so much worse than the korean guy I saw dragging his girl by the hair the other night. At least they waited for the light.
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northway



Joined: 05 Jul 2010

PostPosted: Tue Apr 26, 2011 2:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ESL Milk "Everyday wrote:
I don't remember public attention-whoring being rude back home, but it should have been... it's a big part of the general moral decline of a profoundly narcissistic society, and it's what usually leads to Koreans hating us so much. It seems to be a trait endemic among Americans and Canadians-- don't think I've seen too many Aus, Kiwi, Brit, or S. Africans like this, but that could be just because they tend to be minorities within the expat community, so they get to sit back and grumble about it.


Ever been to Southeast Asia?
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ESL Milk "Everyday



Joined: 12 Sep 2007

PostPosted: Tue Apr 26, 2011 2:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

northway wrote:
Ever been to Southeast Asia?


I'd say that the degree of obnoxiousness depends on which nationality has the majority in the expat community. Indonesia/Bali is full of Australians, so they suck the most in Bali.
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BoholDiver



Joined: 03 Oct 2009
Location: Canada

PostPosted: Tue Apr 26, 2011 4:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I used to follow the law here but after seeing most Koreans have no rerspect for the law, I stopped following it.

I jaywalk if it is safe. I don't walk in front of cars. I litter with all abandon.
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Radius



Joined: 20 Dec 2009

PostPosted: Tue Apr 26, 2011 4:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Do you people really think I care that the foreigners were J-walking--I do it myself! But I don't stand in the middle of the road with the car lights shining at me from both sides like I'm on a stage and yell back to the rest of my friends like a drunk idiot. As I said before, the thing that tipped it over the edge for me was when he went swinging from the display ripping flowers off of it like a drunken maniac...again, I did that kind of stuff, too--WHEN I WAS 10!
The fact you guys keep harping on the "J-walking" part of my rant just goes to show you how befuddled you actually are about my complaint against these guys. I don't know how many times I have to repeat myself, I'm starting to sound like I do in class. Repeat, repeat, repeat. It was the manner in which he acted (mostly the flower thing), not the fact he j-walked.
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Radius



Joined: 20 Dec 2009

PostPosted: Tue Apr 26, 2011 4:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

sadguy wrote:
you guys are ridiculous. the OP is talking about the MANNER in which the dude was j-waking. he was being obnoxious about it. but of course, everyone focuses on the irrelevant part of the OP.


Exactly. It's like I'm talking to a brick wall. Why is it that you get it, but others can't?
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Radius



Joined: 20 Dec 2009

PostPosted: Tue Apr 26, 2011 4:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

madtownhustl wrote:
you should have seen all the jaywalkers and flower pickers during the Yeoido cherry blossam thingamajig...Most of them Korean!

apples and oranges.
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Radius



Joined: 20 Dec 2009

PostPosted: Tue Apr 26, 2011 4:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

legrande wrote:
A lot of Koreans do not view us foreigners in the most favorable light to begin with. My impression is that Radius has been doing his part to try to improve things, only to have monkey foreigner lay a big brown one with him in attendance. Yeah, I can feel 'im.

Yup. And I can't remember who said it, but I do plan on being here awhile since I'm getting married soon. So I do see the need to act appropriately--but it's not as if I'm changing the way I act, because I didn't do this nonsense in America either...anyway, if on the other hand, I knew I'd only be here for a year this thread probably wouldn't have even been started in the first place.
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