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oldtrafford
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and i don't NO the difference between no/know. Bed time!!!!  |
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ZIFA
Joined: 23 Feb 2011
Location: Dici che il fiume..Trova la via al mare
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| Posted: Tue Apr 26, 2011 6:11 am Post subject: |
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| ESL Milk "Everyday wrote: |
| A great public school is usually still light years ahead of a good hagwon. A bad public school is still light years ahead of a bad hagwon. |
Dunno.I found my teaching ability atrophied somewhat at PS. Its also lonelier. The deskwarming is a waste of time.
At hogwons you are responsible for your own classes 100%. You get to know the students better. You're busy. And you have the support of other foreigners. |
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loubird
Joined: 27 May 2010
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| Posted: Tue Apr 26, 2011 3:35 pm Post subject: |
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| Yup, it's not illegal to teach without a co-teacher, I've been doing it from day one and I love it. I've never had any other adult in my classroom and I can teach what I like. I should point out that my biggest class is 25 students, so it's not like I've got all 40 in a room at one time. The other English teachers and I split the classes in half and teach each half indepently. I think it might be illegal through GEPIK to teach a class of 40 or so on your own 100% of the time, but teaching a split class poses no leagal problems. This is just the way my school has always done it. |
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cj1976
Joined: 26 Oct 2005
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| Posted: Tue Apr 26, 2011 3:58 pm Post subject: |
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| I'm seriously thinking about quitting the public school gigs, but the vacation time is sweet. That's hard to give up. If hagwons could be a little more generous (14 days instead of 10, perhaps), I'd be willing to give it a go. |
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Chalmers
Joined: 20 Oct 2008
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| Posted: Tue Apr 26, 2011 5:06 pm Post subject: |
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I'm one of the lucky ones. I work at a high school with cool and relaxed co-teachers. Been here 2 years, and will probably stay a third year. My vacation ends up being about 8 weeks a year with another 10 weeks of part time work.
Why work at a public school? If you're not here strictly for money, and you want more than 10 days a year of paid vacation, then the public school crap shoot is your best bet. |
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shostahoosier
Joined: 14 Apr 2009
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| Posted: Tue Apr 26, 2011 5:17 pm Post subject: |
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| cj1976 wrote: |
| I'm seriously thinking about quitting the public school gigs, but the vacation time is sweet. That's hard to give up. If hagwons could be a little more generous (14 days instead of 10, perhaps), I'd be willing to give it a go. |
Yeah I would consider a hagwon too as the pay and smaller classes are nice. Ive gotten some decent hagwon offers through friends but none of them give me 25 days vacation lol. |
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sbp59
Joined: 01 Apr 2009
Location: Somewhere in SK
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| Posted: Tue Apr 26, 2011 7:53 pm Post subject: |
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| ZIFA wrote: |
| ESL Milk "Everyday wrote: |
| A great public school is usually still light years ahead of a good hagwon. A bad public school is still light years ahead of a bad hagwon. |
Dunno.I found my teaching ability atrophied somewhat at PS. Its also lonelier. The deskwarming is a waste of time.
At hogwons you are responsible for your own classes 100%. You get to know the students better. You're busy. And you have the support of other foreigners. |
Plus 1. Teaching in a public school, you can't get to know any of your students. What's the point of being a teacher, if your not trying to get to know your students and help them improve?
Desk warming is a complete waste of time and I can't stand it. If you can find a decent hagwon your work hours can be quite short and you can leave immediately after your last class.
And don't get me started on the public school lunches. lol |
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ThingsComeAround
Joined: 07 Nov 2008
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| Posted: Tue Apr 26, 2011 8:13 pm Post subject: |
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| sbp59 wrote: |
| ZIFA wrote: |
| ESL Milk "Everyday wrote: |
| A great public school is usually still light years ahead of a good hagwon. A bad public school is still light years ahead of a bad hagwon. |
Dunno.I found my teaching ability atrophied somewhat at PS. Its also lonelier. The deskwarming is a waste of time.
At hogwons you are responsible for your own classes 100%. You get to know the students better. You're busy. And you have the support of other foreigners. |
Plus 1. Teaching in a public school, you can't get to know any of your students. What's the point of being a teacher, if your not trying to get to know your students and help them improve?
Desk warming is a complete waste of time and I can't stand it. If you can find a decent hagwon your work hours can be quite short and you can leave immediately after your last class.
And don't get me started on the public school lunches. lol |
you can get to know your students, if you try. you won't know them all (nor will you want to) but the students do get chances to be close with you- and they take that opportunity.
deskwarming is a principal issue. if your principal likes you- you will edge out of that silly policy. (understand that it isn't a rule, but a policy) if they don't notice you, forget about it.
lunch? i'm with you on this one  but lets remember that most hagwons don't pay for your lunch  or make you eat with the children  |
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RMNC
Joined: 21 Jul 2010
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| Posted: Tue Apr 26, 2011 8:55 pm Post subject: |
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| I see that last point as a positive rather than a negative. |
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WoBW
Joined: 07 Dec 2007
Location: HBC
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| Posted: Tue Apr 26, 2011 9:14 pm Post subject: |
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I have to side with the hagwons here - purely from personal experience.
I worked at 3 different hagwons during my time in Korea, for a total of about 4 years. I guess I got lucky, but in all that time I was never paid a day late, or a won short; never asked to do anything beyond the contract terms and had a happy time all round.
I was certainly lucky - it wasn't down to my skillful selection of jobs. I never bothered to contact previous employees. In two cases I went for interviews and started work the following day. In short, I didn't follow any of the good advice you can find on here for choosing a good gig. Pure luck.
On the other hand, I also worked at one public school, and it was the only time I was ever truly unhappy in Korea.
Just remember, people come here to vent. The tales you read about hagwons, though undoubtedly true, are skewed towards the negative.
I would say to anyone, give hagwons a chance. If you are either just lucky like me or savvy (unlike me) and you find a good one, life is easy, stress free and in my own experience happy. |
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Underwaterbob
Joined: 08 Jan 2005
Location: In Cognito
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| Posted: Tue Apr 26, 2011 9:16 pm Post subject: |
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| I may teach 30 hours a week but I'm only there for 35 hours total, as opposed to every EPIK teacher I know who teaches 22 hours a week and is still there for 40 hours a week. 3+ hours of deskwarming? I'd rather work. |
You don't know me. I'm with EPIK and my schools (unofficially) all let me leave as soon as my classes are finished. I'm often home before 2 these days. It helps I've been at the same schools for three years and am doing a bang-up job. While it does largely depend on your schools and co-teachers, if you ingratiate yourself enough they'll eventually let you do what you want. |
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ZIFA
Joined: 23 Feb 2011
Location: Dici che il fiume..Trova la via al mare
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| Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2011 10:07 am Post subject: |
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| cj1976 wrote: |
| I'm seriously thinking about quitting the public school gigs, but the vacation time is sweet. That's hard to give up. If hagwons could be a little more generous (14 days instead of 10, perhaps), I'd be willing to give it a go. |
Most P. schools dictate when to take vacation, which tends to nullify the purpose of it.
I much prefer to choose the timing of my own 2 weeks off per year, than be told exactly when I have to take 4 weeks off. |
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shostahoosier
Joined: 14 Apr 2009
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| Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2011 4:22 pm Post subject: |
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| ZIFA wrote: |
| cj1976 wrote: |
| I'm seriously thinking about quitting the public school gigs, but the vacation time is sweet. That's hard to give up. If hagwons could be a little more generous (14 days instead of 10, perhaps), I'd be willing to give it a go. |
Most P. schools dictate when to take vacation, which tends to nullify the purpose of it.
I much prefer to choose the timing of my own 2 weeks off per year, than be told exactly when I have to take 4 weeks off. |
I dont know any hagwon worker who's ever gotten 2 weeks off per year. They are given 2 weeks worth of vacation, but not the full 2 at once.
Either way, are you saying that hagwons allow you to up and leave for vacation without the manager's discretion? I have a hard time believing that. If you mean you can request a vacation time and get approval, then public schools work that way too. |
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wylies99
Joined: 13 May 2006
Location: I'm one cool cat!
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| Posted: Sat Apr 30, 2011 6:05 pm Post subject: |
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| but lets remember that most hagwons don't pay for your lunch or make you eat with the children |
It happens in hogwans. Sometimes you even have to serve the food and cleanup after the kids. Not a good thing. |
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kingssurfer
Joined: 14 Dec 2009
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| Posted: Sun May 01, 2011 4:51 am Post subject: |
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| All the reasons posted above are why I work at an after school program. |
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