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Used like a doormat: Ch'aebol culture
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murmanjake



Joined: 21 Oct 2008

PostPosted: Wed Apr 27, 2011 4:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My girlfriend is in almost the same boat. Except she had to work saturday and sunday, and then saturday of the next week. And this was from the start of her job, 13 days in a row! Luckily she has next weekend off. For now at least.
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Triban



Joined: 14 Jul 2009
Location: Suwon Station

PostPosted: Wed Apr 27, 2011 4:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don't you hate it? I feel horrible for her...and it is always seriously putting a cramp in our weekend plans/vacation. We got into a fight over vacation because she didn't want me staying longer by myself...oh well.
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happiness



Joined: 04 Sep 2010

PostPosted: Thu Apr 28, 2011 2:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

japan used to be more like that, but thats very common in Korea. Putting on the appearance of working hard and long is sometimes (possibly) more important than the working itself.

My WeongJang owns a few schools so doesnt show up at ours when she does, all the girls are whipping the kids thru speech drills, holding up English reading books in plain view of the boss to see, and make sure they walk in line like good little soliders. I always smile a bit more.

Its kind of like sucking in your gut when you see a cute girl and as soon as she passes, letting it out Wink
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zakuta



Joined: 02 Dec 2007
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Thu Apr 28, 2011 5:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, as far as overtime pay is concerned, Samsung already started paying it since 2010. But the question is, many employees are reluctant to apply for it as it hurts their integrity & the boss would think they are staying late for money & are not honest towards the company! Unbelievable, right?

As far as the 'staying till your boss leaves' culture is concerned, it's not changing anytime soon. It comes straight from the military, & this strong hierarchical culture which has made people stronger than policies is quite bothersome for the younger lot.

That is why you see a lot more Koreans trying to run off to greener pastures or trying to get government jobs. It's a pity to see this, & worse thing is being part of this culture. Yes many foreigners do leave early, but that is only a handful & sadly they don't have a long term career here (i am sure they are not looking forward to it either!).

That said, i think this work late habit is developed in the school days for Koreans, never have i seen school kids anywhere in the world walking streets in school uniform @ 22:00 hours!

SIGH! Korea, land of 4 seasons Wink
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West Coast Tatterdemalion



Joined: 31 Aug 2010

PostPosted: Thu Apr 28, 2011 6:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Koreans need to stay in Korea and fight this rather than fleeing to the west. Stay here and fix your own problems. Nothing will change until these people actually get some balls and tell these Chaebols to stuff it where the sun don't shine. All I can say is that I'm glad I'm not part of the Korean work culture.
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legrande



Joined: 23 Nov 2010

PostPosted: Thu Apr 28, 2011 11:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

West Coast Tatterdemalion wrote:
Koreans need to stay in Korea and fight this rather than fleeing to the west. Stay here and fix your own problems. Nothing will change until these people actually get some balls and tell these Chaebols to stuff it where the sun don't shine. All I can say is that I'm glad I'm not part of the Korean work culture.


Extensive attempts have been made. Thing is, Chaebols are linked up with the police, strike breaking mobsters, fund political campaigns, et. al.
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hondaicivic



Joined: 01 Jul 2010
Location: Daegu, South Korea

PostPosted: Fri Apr 29, 2011 4:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

legrande wrote:
West Coast Tatterdemalion wrote:
Koreans need to stay in Korea and fight this rather than fleeing to the west. Stay here and fix your own problems. Nothing will change until these people actually get some balls and tell these Chaebols to stuff it where the sun don't shine. All I can say is that I'm glad I'm not part of the Korean work culture.


Extensive attempts have been made. Thing is, Chaebols are linked up with the police, strike breaking mobsters, fund political campaigns, et. al.



Well we all saw what happened in North Africa and Middle East. Time to bring it to the land of the morning calm. Revolution!
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flakfizer



Joined: 12 Nov 2004
Location: scaling the Cliffs of Insanity with a frayed rope.

PostPosted: Fri Apr 29, 2011 6:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Captain Corea wrote:
How much of that overtime work is work?

Your post reminded me of a few articles along these lines: http://koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/biz/2008/08/123_29080.html
Quote:
Koreans work the longest hours in the industrialized world but their labor productivity lags far behind the United States and other advanced countries, meaning Koreans need to spend fewer hours in office and work more efficiently.

According to the Ministry of Strategy and Finance and the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development (OECD) Sunday, the nation's labor productivity per hour stood at $20.4 in 2006, substantially lower than the $50.4 for the United States and the OECD average of $38.


Quote:
``The country's labor efficiency ranks low among developed economies because local employees spent too much time at work. Long hours hurt workers' health and have a negative impact on productivity,'' a ministry official said.
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Slowmotion



Joined: 15 Aug 2009

PostPosted: Fri Apr 29, 2011 7:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

legrande wrote:
West Coast Tatterdemalion wrote:
Koreans need to stay in Korea and fight this rather than fleeing to the west. Stay here and fix your own problems. Nothing will change until these people actually get some balls and tell these Chaebols to stuff it where the sun don't shine. All I can say is that I'm glad I'm not part of the Korean work culture.


Extensive attempts have been made. Thing is, Chaebols are linked up with the police, strike breaking mobsters, fund political campaigns, et. al.

What attempts have been made so far? Any links?
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