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Zackback



Joined: 05 Nov 2010
Location: Kyungbuk

PostPosted: Sun May 01, 2011 2:31 pm    Post subject: I'm scared about REALLY teaching Reply with quote

Work at a hagwan now and don't do much but just waste time "teaching", play games etc.
My time is almost up and I have been applying for others jobs (not in Korea) and what causes me serious concern is that they really want me to teach. I mean teach teach. I have become somewhat an expert at killing time and formulating lessons that although they look good in reality they are just pathetic jokes -ultimate time killing/wasting activities.

I know if I pull this crap where I'm going I won't last long.

Now I hope this thread doesn't get sidetracked but I was able to talk a really good game to even have a shot at the jobs I am applying for. It reminds me in a way on how I talk with women. I know a lot of the right things to say to impress them but beneath the surface there isn't much there.

So.....anyone have any advice on how to "really teach"?

Thank you
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edwardcatflap



Joined: 22 Mar 2009

PostPosted: Sun May 01, 2011 4:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Read books on the subject. Take a practical course. Go to conferences and workshops. Observe experienced teachers and allow experienced teachers to observe you and give you feedback. Try new things out in the class room and see if they work. Be prepared to talk about what you learned from all this at interviews and how it made you a better teacher .
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Fishead soup



Joined: 24 Jun 2007
Location: Korea

PostPosted: Sun May 01, 2011 4:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Check out The Audio- Lingual approach. I'm sure I'm going to get in trouble from all the dancing monkeys on this site for mentioning the fact that you can teach much more using tranditional listen and repeat drills than playing hangman.
I take a dialogue from Interchange or Side by Side have the students do good old fashioned boring listen and repeat twice then have assigne have the classroom person A and the other side of the classroom person B and have them do the dialogue again. This won't get you any speeches for GEPIK Orientations but it will teach the students.

Now lets see how many monkeys there are out their who say don't use listen and repeat.
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Fox



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PostPosted: Sun May 01, 2011 4:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fishead soup wrote:
you can teach much more using tranditional listen and repeat drills than playing hangman.


100% true.
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ESL Milk "Everyday



Joined: 12 Sep 2007

PostPosted: Sun May 01, 2011 4:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Monkeys can listen and repeat.

I really hope you don't honestly think that the entire scope of all ESL teaching is listen and repeat vs. hangman.
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Fishead soup



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PostPosted: Sun May 01, 2011 4:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ESL Milk "Everyday wrote:
Monkeys can listen and repeat.

I really hope you don't honestly think that the entire scope of all ESL teaching is listen and repeat vs. hangman.


Anybody can do listen and repeat and you certainly don't need a B.A. in spatter painting to do it. Lots of people are afraid to use it becouse their co-teacher might write in that stupid form that your class is too boring.
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Fox



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PostPosted: Sun May 01, 2011 5:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ESL Milk "Everyday wrote:
Monkeys can listen and repeat.


That doesn't make it a less important or effective tool in language acquisition. I don't think anyone is saying you should be using it exclusively.
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ESL Milk "Everyday



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PostPosted: Sun May 01, 2011 5:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I guess it's okay for really basic learners who need safety phrases... but I'm not completely convinced that it doesn't encourage kids to turn off their brains off instead of on. But then, I guess it depends on their age, confidence, etc...

For maybe really young learners at a basic level, hangman is probably alright.
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Enrico Palazzo
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PostPosted: Sun May 01, 2011 5:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Are you being serious? Is this some kind of joke?

At any rate, it's hard to tell you how to teach via a post. However, I prefer using the communicative approach when it comes to teaching. The Audio-Lingual Method is outdated and comes from the U.S. military and based on people simply repeating what they hear. It is not effective.

With the communicative approach, you are not simply lecturing your students. You come up with activities for them today while you monitor what they're saying. You first start your class with an attention catching phrase.

Then, you can think of the vocabular you want to introduce and a them. You could use magnets and post printed pictures connected to what you are trying to say.

Don't talk too long. After showing some of the pictures, and writing sentences on the board connected to the pictures. Have them work in groups discussing what they learned and ask each other questions about it.

Then, continue with building up your them. You could hand out a print out where they are supposed to ask questions and do info-gap activities where you are trying to get them to use certain key vocabulary and grammar.


Occasionally, you can also have them get up and have a check list for example where they are asking a classmate when their birthday is for example:

Qui a son anniveraire en juin _______________ Jack Bernstein

Qui a son anniversaire en juillet ______________Marc Brunet


Then, you should find an interesting way to close the activity.



If you are teaching reading, the key is to get them books that are appropriate level. Don't rush and try to finish a book if the goal is fluency. I would constantly go back and read passages they read before. This increases the reading fluency of the students. Reading out loud works on their pronunciation, but reading silently works on their reading comprehension.

You can look up pre-reading activities, looking at the bold, teaching them skimming and scanning (look that up).
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eamo



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PostPosted: Sun May 01, 2011 6:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Enrico Palazzo wrote:
Are you being serious? Is this some kind of joke?

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Why do you think it would be a joke?

The Korean government grants teaching visas to thousands of native English speakers every year who have absolutely no experience or qualifications as teachers.
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Enrico Palazzo
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PostPosted: Sun May 01, 2011 6:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

eamo wrote:
Enrico Palazzo wrote:
Are you being serious? Is this some kind of joke?

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Why do you think it would be a joke?

The Korean government grants teaching visas to thousands of native English speakers every year who have absolutely no experience or qualifications as teachers.


You're definitely right about that. The universities in Korea are the only ones that appreciate qualified instructors. I cannot expect someone simply to know how to teach. It does take experience or a lot of innate creativity. However, he has only posted once. That's why I wondered if he were truly serious.

If he needs help, I am sure some of us would not mind providing advice. He should be specific as to what he is having problems with. I don't consider myself to be an expert by any means. I have a teaching certificate and an M.A. in TESOL, but I still have a lot to learn, myself.

'Rico
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ESL Milk "Everyday



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PostPosted: Sun May 01, 2011 9:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Enrico Palazzo wrote:
You're definitely right about that. The universities in Korea are the only ones that appreciate qualified instructors. I cannot expect someone simply to know how to teach. It does take experience or a lot of innate creativity. However, he has only posted once. That's why I wondered if he were truly serious.


I don't know about that-- if you're talking about hiring policies then maybe that's true, but I definitely think that being qualified or at least genuinely dedicated to the job is more likely endear you to the other teachers at the school, provided you're not unreasonably socially retarded.

A lot of the whole 'you are a monkey now dance' stuff is due to a long succession of teachers doing just that before most of us even arrived-- to the point where it's what's expected from us.

But if you hit upon a school that hasn't had that, where the NET actually taught, then that's what you'll be expected to do as well. A lot of the time, being a monkey is sort of a default when you're just not doing very well and don't know how to make it better.

And I have never heard of someone who is qualified, experienced, dedicated and not totally clueless ever being forced into the monkey role.. that's mostly clueless newbies, and recent grads... TEFL or no, if you don't know what you're doing and you're not getting it, then your co-teacher is going to have to think of some way to make you worth the money-- and monkey is usually it.

There are sometimes racist co-teachers and control freaks, but that's another matter...
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TECO



Joined: 20 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Mon May 02, 2011 12:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ESL Milk "Everyday wrote:
Monkeys can listen and repeat.

I really hope you don't honestly think that the entire scope of all ESL teaching is listen and repeat vs. hangman.


Comments are not directed at you per se since I know you know the difference, but to readers here in general.

It's not ESL. We don't teach ESL in Korea, Taiwan or Japan. We teach EFL! The context and demands are different. People here haven't taken the time to learn about teaching methodology or the difference between ESL or EFL.

Also, the Audiolinguial method has worked well in Russia where generations studied English using this approach. But because it was based on behaviorist theory it was criticized.
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Zackback



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PostPosted: Mon May 02, 2011 1:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

How are they different?
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TECO



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PostPosted: Mon May 02, 2011 5:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Zackback wrote:
How are they different?


I don't know, but people keep telling me they're different. I'll look it up on Google.
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