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Korean food in America, why it hasn't caught on....
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dogbert



Joined: 29 Jan 2003
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 08, 2004 8:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Son Deureo! wrote:
In case you didn't notice, I am not endorsing American litigiousness. I'm mocking it. I'm not the only American who thinks American obsession with liability is out of control and depriving us of some of the finer pleasures in life, like charcoal tabletop barbecue.


Deny yourself no longer:

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There's one in S.F., too.
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Mashimaro



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 09, 2004 1:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Swiss James wrote:
Correct me if I'm wrong (oh and I know someone will) but isn't Thai food as reliant on Lemongrass, chili and cocunut as Korean food is on gochu-jang and garlic?


Possibly.. though when I was in the north of thailand they use little coconut and many though far from all use chilli...
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HardyandTiny



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 09, 2004 3:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You can't expect the same things from Jenny the server in Chicago; the fashion design student who's barely making ends meet. And Jeeyun the 42 year old veteran server in Seoul who just "makes it happen".
Service is a big part of the Korean dining experience, and it must be very difficult to recreate that in a place like the USA.

Just because a few pansy North Korean sympathizers got a bug up their butt doesn't mean we need to start attacking Korean-Americans. They are for the most part good people. The food is also good and I'm sure that in the near future Korean restaurants will do very well in the USA.
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lush72



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 09, 2004 3:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Son Deureo! wrote:
I'm not the only American who thinks American obsession with liability is out of control and depriving us of some of the finer pleasures in life, like charcoal tabletop barbecue.


Have you ever been to Edgewater, Fort Lee, or West New York in New Jersey? Have you ever been to Flushing, Queens in NY? PLENTY of overpriced (but JEEEZUS GOOD!) tabletop Korean bbq there- PM me if you want specifics!
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HardyandTiny



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 09, 2004 4:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

lush72 wrote:
Son Deureo! wrote:
I'm not the only American who thinks American obsession with liability is out of control and depriving us of some of the finer pleasures in life, like charcoal tabletop barbecue.


Have you ever been to Edgewater, Fort Lee, or West New York in New Jersey? Have you ever been to Flushing, Queens in NY? PLENTY of overpriced (but JEEEZUS GOOD!) tabletop Korean bbq there- PM me if you want specifics!


What about the cigarette smoking laws? Smile
I'd love to go to a Galbee house in Flushing and smoke my ass off! I love that!
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Son Deureo!



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 09, 2004 5:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

lush72 wrote:
Son Deureo! wrote:
I'm not the only American who thinks American obsession with liability is out of control and depriving us of some of the finer pleasures in life, like charcoal tabletop barbecue.


Have you ever been to Edgewater, Fort Lee, or West New York in New Jersey? Have you ever been to Flushing, Queens in NY? PLENTY of overpriced (but JEEEZUS GOOD!) tabletop Korean bbq there- PM me if you want specifics!


Nope, I'm from upstate. Buffalo, in fact. I'm happy to hear it can happen in the U.S. after all. In the meantime, I've got the real thing all around me right here in Seoul. When/if I ever go back to the U.S. I really hope I'll be near a real kalbi restaurant. I know I'd miss it.
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g-ese



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 09, 2004 6:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't know where you people found these restaurants, but I never ate Korean food until I got here. I had never met a Korean until college, 21+ years old. I grew up in the midwest. Not many Koreans there I guess. I even lived in Seattle for a while after high school, and still never met any Koreans. My image of Korean food was, Kimchi and rice. Most Koreans I had heard about were either restaurant owners or salon owners. I had heard that Koreans had crappy attitudes. But the Koreans I met in college were nice, save a few. So I dismissed that.

Koreans seem to get upset, or even laugh at you if you don't know or understand their culture. But I say, get off your ass and promote it abroad! Don't laugh because I'm not fluent in your language or well-versed in your cuisine! This is something that these people don't seem to realize. Recently, the more fluent I become and the more adept I am at ordering, the less they laugh. Actually, they don't laugh at all. But I still get angry when I see blogs online about foreigners being laughed at because they are new to Korea. No one wants to be laughed at. Way to help bring in more tourism.

I love Korean food. But Wylde's comments got me thinking about cleanliness. There are times when I see Koreans doing questionable things in restaurants. Like using a cloth to clean multiple areas. Or coughing on stuff. Little stuff like that. It is the little stuff that makes me wonder about the big stuff going on behind the scenes. I have seen roaches on the floor and hair in my food. But, I have been to places like China, where they spit on the floor, piss and shite in the streets and Indonesia (not Bali) where there are roaches EVERYWHERE and the food absolutely sucked. So after that, a little lack of cleanliness doesn't bother me. But it occasionally raises my eyebrow.
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coolsage



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 09, 2004 7:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've had similar discussions with students of the 'advanced', traveled kind. The subject of 'chicken' and its preparation came up. I opined that chicken is not a western food per se, that chicken is known and eaten universally. The response was that before westerners began to arrive on these shores, that chicken was prepared in only one way: slap the bird in a pot and boil the beejeezus out of it. (Apparently the Dakalbi came along later.) By way of contrast, one can order chicken in Thailand every day for a month, and it will be a different recipe every time. Korea: the land where imagination comes to die.
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matthewwoodford



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PostPosted: Sat Apr 10, 2004 6:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Korean food isn't easy for everyone to like at first but it becomes addictive. I never thought I'd be happy to eat it every day at first but now I am. I also, unlike Wylde, admire the way everything gets used in Korean cooking: modern disdain towards intestines or the tops and leaves of vegetables is wasteful and irrational. If only Koreans would do some marketing to promote their cuisine it would be a lot more popular. It could be marketed as healthy, natural and different. But right now it's true you pay over the top prices for some pretty average examples of Korean cooking. In London you have to pay extra for kimchi!
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tokki



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PostPosted: Sat Apr 10, 2004 6:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

coolsage wrote:
I've had similar discussions with students of the 'advanced', traveled kind. The subject of 'chicken' and its preparation came up. I opined that chicken is not a western food per se, that chicken is known and eaten universally. The response was that before westerners began to arrive on these shores, that chicken was prepared in only one way: slap the bird in a pot and boil the beejeezus out of it. (Apparently the Dakalbi came along later.) By way of contrast, one can order chicken in Thailand every day for a month, and it will be a different recipe every time. Korea: the land where imagination comes to die.


Geez, way to judge an entire cuisine based on the number of chicken dishes. As for Thai food,sorry, but it isnt anything special.
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coolsage



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PostPosted: Sat Apr 10, 2004 7:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

tokki wrote:
coolsage wrote:
I've had similar discussions with students of the 'advanced', traveled kind. The subject of 'chicken' and its preparation came up. I opined that chicken is not a western food per se, that chicken is known and eaten universally. The response was that before westerners began to arrive on these shores, that chicken was prepared in only one way: slap the bird in a pot and boil the beejeezus out of it. (Apparently the Dakalbi came along later.) By way of contrast, one can order chicken in Thailand every day for a month, and it will be a different recipe every time. Korea: the land where imagination comes to die.


Geez, way to judge an entire cuisine based on the number of chicken dishes. As for Thai food,sorry, but it isnt anything special.
I was about to reply, but then I discovered that your lame judgement didn't justify a waste of bandwidth. I hate when it gets personal here, but it's late on a Saturday night, and I'm without the one I love, and your comments are unsupported. And how long have you been in this land?
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tokki



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PostPosted: Sat Apr 10, 2004 5:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

coolsage wrote:
tokki wrote:
coolsage wrote:
I've had similar discussions with students of the 'advanced', traveled kind. The subject of 'chicken' and its preparation came up. I opined that chicken is not a western food per se, that chicken is known and eaten universally. The response was that before westerners began to arrive on these shores, that chicken was prepared in only one way: slap the bird in a pot and boil the beejeezus out of it. (Apparently the Dakalbi came along later.) By way of contrast, one can order chicken in Thailand every day for a month, and it will be a different recipe every time. Korea: the land where imagination comes to die.


Geez, way to judge an entire cuisine based on the number of chicken dishes. As for Thai food,sorry, but it isnt anything special.
I was about to reply, but then I discovered that your lame judgement didn't justify a waste of bandwidth. I hate when it gets personal here, but it's late on a Saturday night, and I'm without the one I love, and your comments are unsupported. And how long have you been in this land?


Yet you still replied. Funny how you werent gonna but you did. Stop posting drunk.Are you a Thai food dish that this is personal for ya? Which of the million chicken/cocount dishes are you? As for how long Ive been here, almost 3 years,long enough to have had a chance to try a lot of different Asian cuisines. Thai food is barely average.
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JW



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PostPosted: Thu Apr 15, 2004 5:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I actually made Korean food in the States. I was in college and very broke. I bought some noodles and then took a look in my fridge and went to work. I found a hot dog, an egg and a carrot. I boiled the noodles and the egg, chopped up the meat and carrot then put it all together. I added an offensive amount of seasoning and I had myself a good Korean meal minus the Kim Chi. I even ate it from the pot on the floor with a bit of booze. Good times!
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shawner88



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PostPosted: Thu Apr 15, 2004 7:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

matthewwoodford wrote:
Korean food isn't easy for everyone to like at first but it becomes addictive. I never thought I'd be happy to eat it every day at first but now I am. I also, unlike Wylde, admire the way everything gets used in Korean cooking: modern disdain towards intestines or the tops and leaves of vegetables is wasteful and irrational. If only Koreans would do some marketing to promote their cuisine it would be a lot more popular. It could be marketed as healthy, natural and different. But right now it's true you pay over the top prices for some pretty average examples of Korean cooking. In London you have to pay extra for kimchi!



That's a good point actually. It's an acquired taste for sure. I used to hate Kimchi chigae, dwen jang, most of it for that matter. Now I like most Korean foods (mainstream) - love them. Thai food and other cultures, well the food is more suitable to first timers.
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Mashimaro



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PostPosted: Sat Apr 17, 2004 2:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

tokki wrote:
Thai food is barely average.


Yeah, it's crap.. All the thousands and thousands of thai restaurants all over the world will go broke soon when they have this same revelation you did Rolling Eyes
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