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West Coast Tatterdemalion
Joined: 31 Aug 2010
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| Yeah, the whole 'buried at sea" thing doesn't make any sense. They've probably got Osama's corpse on ice at area 51 so that the bigwigs can come down an take a piss on him every once in awhile. It would make me feel good knowing that his corpse fed some fish in the ocean(just hope they didn't puke!!), but I think his body is on ice somewhere. |
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recessiontime
Joined: 21 Jun 2010
Location: Got avatar privileges nyahahaha
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| Posted: Mon May 02, 2011 10:29 am Post subject: |
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| I find it all unsettling. They want everyone else to take the government's word on it? |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Mon May 02, 2011 10:54 am Post subject: |
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| West Coast Tatterdemalion wrote: |
| Yeah, the whole 'buried at sea" thing doesn't make any sense. |
It was done to comply with Islamic law. Which I am beginning to feel was a mistake.
Islamic Scholars criticize Bin Laden's Sea Burial
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A U.S. official said the burial decision was made after concluding that it would have been difficult to find a country willing to accept the remains. There was also speculation about worry that a grave site could have become a rallying point for militants.
The official spoke on condition of anonymity to discuss sensitive national security matters.
President Barack Obama said the remains had been handled in accordance with Islamic custom, which requires speedy burial, and the Pentagon later said the body was placed into the waters of the northern Arabian Sea after adhering to traditional Islamic procedures � including washing the corpse � aboard the aircraft carrier USS Carl Vinson.
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"They can say they buried him at sea, but they cannot say they did it according to Islam," Mohammed al-Qubaisi, Dubai's grand mufti, said about bin Laden's burial. "If the family does not want him, it's really simple in Islam: You dig up a grave anywhere, even on a remote island, you say the prayers and that's it."
"Sea burials are permissible for Muslims in extraordinary circumstances," he added. "This is not one of them." |
Yeah, that's going to be the reason terrorists strike America, because the burial of a mass murderer wasn't done within strict accordance with Islamic law. |
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visitorq
Joined: 11 Jan 2008
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| Posted: Mon May 02, 2011 11:02 am Post subject: |
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| West Coast Tatterdemalion wrote: |
| They've probably got Osama's corpse on ice at area 51 so that the bigwigs can come down an take a piss on him every once in awhile. |
Come on. Osama himself comes from a family of bigwigs - to say the Bin Laden family is immensely wealthy and powerful (they control much of the oil in Saudi Arabia) and as elite as they come anywhere in the world is an understatement. They count among their personal friends the Bush family and other high level elites in the US. George Bush Sr. (close family friend of the Bin Ladens) was head of the CIA even before becoming president, and it's hardly a coincidence that Osama was also long time CIA asset, on record.
After 9/11 (which anyone with an ounce of common sense knows was an inside job) he was morphed into an Emmanuel Goldstein-like figure for the Bush government to use any time they wanted to tear another hole in the Constitution or pass more police state measures in the name of national security. They needed a bogeyman, and he was it. Whatever happened to the real bin Laden is anyone's guess (the ones shown in the CIA clips over the years were all fake). For all we know he's probably living in an armored compound somewhere.
Regardless, the idea that he was just a renegade jihadist living in a cave somewhere, successfully evading the most powerful surveillance and military force on earth for whole a decade is beyond laughable. It's a sick joke. |
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ontheway
Joined: 24 Aug 2005
Location: Somewhere under the rainbow...
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| Posted: Mon May 02, 2011 11:58 am Post subject: |
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Bin Laden is dead. Hurray!
Buried at sea, quickly ... probably the best option.
Releasing some proof to the media/public to prove he's dead will be necessary.
But, to many hard core conspiracy nuts, and hardcore Bin Laden followers there will never be enough proof that this was really him and that he was really killed and that he is really buried at sea. So be it. Various conspiracy types will still think that 911 was an inside job and that area 51 has secret alien bodies and Obama wasn't born in America etc. No amount of proof will satisfy these people - even sticking their fingers in the holes in his head wouldn't be enough.
Hillary Clinton was reported "missing" for a few days recently - probably working on this little project.
The release of Obama's long-form birth certificate was a nice ploy to distract attention from the important business that was really keeping the Obama administration busy. Nice strategic and political move.
Nice victory for the Obama administration.
Hats off for once to President Obama.
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And, to agree a bit with what Yata wrote earlier, this event plus recent popular uprisings for democracy in the Arab world mean it's time to end the war on terror, declare victory, and come home. Let the various Arab, Islamic whatever peoples handle their own affairs.
Time for a bit of non-intervention and peace. |
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visitorq
Joined: 11 Jan 2008
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| Posted: Mon May 02, 2011 12:18 pm Post subject: |
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| ontheway wrote: |
| Buried at sea, quickly ... probably the best option. |
How so?
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| Releasing some proof to the media/public to prove he's dead will be necessary. |
Gee, you think?
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| But, to many hard core conspiracy nuts, and hardcore Bin Laden followers there will never be enough proof that this was really him and that he was really killed and that he is really buried at sea. So be it. Various conspiracy types will still think that 911 was an inside job and that area 51 has secret alien bodies and Obama wasn't born in America etc. No amount of proof will satisfy these people - even sticking their fingers in the holes in his head wouldn't be enough. |
Nonsense. If all the evidence were made public and opened to scrutiny and if the proof were solid, then skeptical people would be able to believe it. Perhaps a few still wouldn't, but the majority would. As it stands, claiming to have shot him in the head and then dumping his body in the ocean immediately (getting rid of the evidence as they always do) is utterly ridiculous and beyond suspicious.
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And, to agree a bit with what Yata wrote earlier, this event plus recent popular uprisings for democracy in the Arab world mean it's time to end the war on terror, declare victory, and come home. Let the various Arab, Islamic whatever peoples handle their own affairs.
Time for a bit of non-intervention and peace. |
It will never happen. The man you just gave kudos too is every bit the liar and front-man for the military industrial complex as his predecessor was. The current wars will not be ended, and future interventions are increasingly likely. |
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Madigan
Joined: 15 Oct 2010
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Peruvian President Alan Garcia thinks Pope John Paul II should be credited with at least contributing to OBL's death.
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Associated Press
Peru leader credits late pope for bin Laden death
Associated Press, 05.02.11, 01:32 PM EDT
LIMA, Peru -- Peruvian President Alan Garcia says Pope John Paul II should get credit for the death of Osama bin Laden.
The late pope was beatified on Sunday and Garcia says: "His first miracle was to remove from the world the incarnation of evil, the demonic incarnation of crime and hatred, giving us the news that the person who blew up towers and buildings is no longer." |
I grew up in the Catholic Church, and even I think this is ridiculous.
http://www.forbes.com/feeds/ap/2011/05/02/general-lt-bin-laden-peru-john-paul-ii_8445463.html |
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hogwonguy1979
Joined: 22 Dec 2003
Location: the racoon den
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| Posted: Mon May 02, 2011 2:17 pm Post subject: |
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you know what blows me away? that somebody at the compound would be stupid enough to open the door to a landshark saying he had a candygram
some people never learn |
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Louis VI
Joined: 05 Jul 2010
Location: In my Kingdom
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| Posted: Mon May 02, 2011 3:19 pm Post subject: |
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| A live terrorist is detained indefinitely, a dead terrorist is disposed of asap. |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994
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| Posted: Mon May 02, 2011 3:30 pm Post subject: |
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| "Sea burials are permissible for Muslims in extraordinary circumstances," he added. "This is not one of them." |
Bah, humbug.
The only thing that might have been done differently was to display the body for a few hours somewhere--but where could it have been done without sparking riots? In the end, following the forms of religious custom and burial at sea was the best choice available.
No amount of evidence of any kind is going to satisfy the deathers. They believe what they want to believe and nothing will stop them. It's long past time to send their ilk back to the fringe where they belong.
There is some very delicious irony to all this. While Obama was pillorying Trump's 'hard decision' to fire Gary Busey at the WH Correspondents Dinner, he knew what was afoot in South Asia. Wednesday to Sunday has been brilliantly played. |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Mon May 02, 2011 3:31 pm Post subject: |
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Alright, we're nearing the 24h mark after the bag, tag, and dump of OBL.
Here are some recommendations on how America harnesses this victory.
| Yglesias wrote: |
| On the one hand, no location on earth is actually safe from a United States military capable of deploying special operations troops and a wide array of deadly airborne munitions. On the other hand, people can hide out in all kinds of places. It didn�t take a remote cave or a super-villain lair, it just took discipline. Trying to physical conquer and occupy territory in order to prevent it from being used by terrorists is extremely difficult, oftentimes counterproductive, unnecessary, and offers no guarantee of success. |
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| That America failed for so long to find and kill the devil who led us so successfully into temptation, who delivered us so fully to evil, has left an exceedingly proud people with a suppurating psychic wound. Shooting Mr bin Laden and dumping him in the sea may or may not make Americans safer. Maybe it marks the welcome end of an ugly era. Maybe it marks the start of a fresh cycle of vengeance and destruction. Who knows? Either way, Mr bin Laden's demise makes most Americans feel bettter. It seems to balance the moral scales, which is inherently cathartic. But it also helps us feel strong again. And, perhaps most importantly, it helps us convince ourselves that, in the end, we won the war against al Qaeda. That's something we seem to need to believe, whether or not it's really true. Here's hoping believing it helps. Here's hoping we finally call it a day. |
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| Look, part of the argument against this reduction is that it was reputational, for staying in Afghanistan. �We can�t look like America was driven out.� �We can�t go away with our tail between our legs.� All of those metaphors. Well, we just killed Osama bin Laden, and I think that takes a lot of the pressure away � a lot of the punch away from the argument that �oh, it will look like we walked away.�� |
Declare victory. End the wars. |
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visitorq
Joined: 11 Jan 2008
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| Posted: Mon May 02, 2011 3:46 pm Post subject: |
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| "Sea burials are permissible for Muslims in extraordinary circumstances," he added. "This is not one of them." |
Bah, humbug.
The only thing that might have been done differently was to display the body for a few hours somewhere--but where could it have been done without sparking riots? In the end, following the forms of religious custom and burial at sea was the best choice available. |
The body could have been brought to the US. Duh. As if religious custom had a goddam thing to do with anything. What sort of a miserably daft excuse is that? I can't believe anyone would buy into that crap. Really, it's like people actually enjoy being made fools of, believing this kind of stuff.
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| No amount of evidence of any kind is going to satisfy the deathers. |
Well that's good, seeing as "no amount of evidence" exists! They don't even have a body to show, or even a bleeding picture! Our lying, stinking, criminal government, which does nothing but lie, now want's you to "trust them" without a shred of evidence. You'd have to be a complete fool to just take the government's word about something like this. Oh, wait...
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| They believe what they want to believe and nothing will stop them. It's long past time to send their ilk back to the fringe where they belong. |
Yeah, we already know you think the truth belongs on the fringe, and that you should have free reign to spout out your regurgitated BS from MSNBC. Ironically, our numbers are growing while yours are dwindling and you become more and more discredited each day. I'm just waiting for you start calling Osama death skeptics racists.
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| There is some very delicious irony to all this. While Obama was pillorying Trump's 'hard decision' to fire Gary Busey at the WH Correspondents Dinner, he knew what was afoot in South Asia. Wednesday to Sunday has been brilliantly played. |
Yes, a "brilliant" distraction to fool the weak minded idiot segment of American society. As if that were hard to do. |
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OneWayTraffic
Joined: 14 Mar 2005
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If I was Obama, I'd be looking at it like this: Who do I really want to kn ow that he's dead?
1) CIA so they can go do something else.
2) Those who support him or work with him.
3) The world at large.
1) and 2) can verify his death all by themselves. As for three, I can split them into three groups: Those who will take my word for it and accept the evidence given, those who will have difficulty accepting any evidence, and those who don't care.
Why should Obama care if you don't believe OBL is dead Visitorq? |
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visitorq
Joined: 11 Jan 2008
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| Posted: Mon May 02, 2011 4:16 pm Post subject: |
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If I was Obama, I'd be looking at it like this: Who do I really want to kn ow that he's dead?
1) CIA so they can go do something else.
2) Those who support him or work with him.
3) The world at large.
1) and 2) can verify his death all by themselves. As for three, I can split them into three groups: Those who will take my word for it and accept the evidence given, those who will have difficulty accepting any evidence, and those who don't care.
Why should Obama care if you don't believe OBL is dead Visitorq? |
Talk about sophistry. All you're saying is Obama can just lie about whatever he wants, and why should he care if the swinish multitude beneath him believes it or not?  Fairly safe to say he doesn't care. Because most people just lap it up anyway. I bet the majority of the viewers who saw the fake, totally doctored photos of dead Osama posted on the news just internalized it and accepted it all as real and factual, even after it was exposed as a hoax. Not me.
But yeah, why bother questioning anything the government says ever? Who cares if they've been caught lying time and again about practically everything you can think of. I guess you're one of those people who enjoys being lied to? You probably think it's for your own good or something...
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994
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| Posted: Mon May 02, 2011 4:18 pm Post subject: |
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Barney Frank wrote:
Look, part of the argument against this reduction is that it was reputational, for staying in Afghanistan. �We can�t look like America was driven out.� �We can�t go away with our tail between our legs.� All of those metaphors. Well, we just killed Osama bin Laden, and I think that takes a lot of the pressure away � a lot of the punch away from the argument that �oh, it will look like we walked away.��
Declare victory. End the wars. |
Hear! Here! (I never know which one is right.)
Barney is right again. Karzai even seems to agree with him. He says the real struggle against these thugs is in Pakistan, not Afghanistan.
Last week there was a poll saying 72% feel the country is on the wrong track. That's a nasty number. Obama should begin the draw-down in Afghanistan as soon as possible. Memorial Day is coming up. Obama should give one of those rousing speeches he is capable of, this time stating a change in policy. In my opinion, it would provide another powerful psychological lift to the country, which could only do good. |
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