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lorenchristopher

Joined: 25 Dec 2007
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Posted: Thu Apr 28, 2011 6:01 pm Post subject: Re: Going to pull a runner, need advice |
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| shifty wrote: |
Everyone pays maintenance, since time immemorial it's been there.
The question is the amount. You are wasting my time, Loren!!!
Your riposte is all about the validity of charging a maintenance fee and you run away into the dark about what is reasonable, the whole object of the exercise.
And of course, if it were the only problem that the OP faces then it could never be a reason to run. But you're now trying to make it look like that, with your prissy one dimensional post, obviously trying to save face. |
You're a strange one shifty, lol. Sorry to waste your time with my "prissiness"? Also, chill out. |
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shifty
Joined: 21 Jun 2004
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Posted: Fri Apr 29, 2011 8:14 am Post subject: Re: Going to pull a runner, need advice |
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| lorenchristopher wrote: |
| You're a strange one shifty, lol. Sorry to waste your time with my "prissiness"? Also, chill out. |
After reviewing your earlier posts, I can see that your overall tone is measured and on the whole, helpful. So I regret my rather florid responses!!
And if I consider anew, I'd rather not describe you as 'prissy'; only when you're in a corner, might it come to mind.
To cap it all, I know someone called Loren who is very dear to me and can do no wrong. |
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southernman
Joined: 15 Jan 2010 Location: On the mainland again
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Posted: Sat Apr 30, 2011 2:01 am Post subject: |
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Not everyone pays maintenance. I've lived in four different apartments in 3 different locations in Korea and never once paid maintenance.
You usually only pay if you're in a large apartment. I've always lived in studio apartments of no more than 4 floors.
I feel sorry for those teachers that do because their monthly expendenture in bills and service is far more than mine (and actually a lot of my friends).
Just saying..... |
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PRagic

Joined: 24 Feb 2006
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Posted: Sat Apr 30, 2011 5:06 pm Post subject: |
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Step 1: Ask for a monthly copy of the maintenance bill receipt. It should be given freely.
Question 1: OP, are you being paid on time? Are deductions for insurance being made?
Question 2: Do you have an option to move, or are you supposed to stay in the school's 'apartment'? You are either in an apartment or an officitel. If you don't want to pay maint. fees, you'll need to make a move to a villa or a unit in a private building, maybe even a floor in a 2 story house. As many have posted, the amount you're paying isn't unreasonable.
Question 3: Are the work arrangements in line with the contract? Enough classes? Hours and breaks matching up?
In general, it would seem that pulling a runner is a bit drastic at the stage, particularly as you don't even have your ARC yet! |
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jrwhite82

Joined: 22 May 2010
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Posted: Sat Apr 30, 2011 8:13 pm Post subject: Re: Going to pull a runner, need advice |
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| marsavalanche wrote: |
So things aren't working out at my new job. Based on various shady things I've noticed having just gotten here.
- They're taking out a 105,000 won "maintenance fee" for my building on top of utilities out of my paycheck... how is this legal if it's not in my contract?
- I still don't have internet in my apartment, and they have kept dragging their feet about sending me to immigration to apply for my ARC (I'm told I can't get cable/internet until I get my ARC because they're too scared to put it under their name)
- Job simply does not compare to my last gig and I already know 1 year here isn't going to work out.
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I have paid 100,000W for maintenance in the past (not including water/gas/electricity). It IS ABSOLUTELY LEGAL because I'm sure the contract you signed said that you were going to pay all additional costs of the apartment beyond rent. Ask for copies of the bill. End of story. How were you here for a year before and never heard of this?
Of course they don't want to put internet under their name. You are a flight risk. You are even admitting to being a flight risk and are still blaming them for not putting it under their name. LOL!
Also, you don't need them to go to Immigration to get your ARC. You can do it yourself.
Didn't you read and research the details about this job before going? I know you posted your contract...but come on man. You were warned to research.
To me your first two reasons are not valid and are easily fixable. Go yourself to immigration and get a copy of the bill. That is extremely easy. The third problem, well, if you're not happy, you're not happy. But this is your fault, it's not fair to punish the school and the STUDENTS and their families for your mistakes. Finish the contract, or at least, give proper notice so you can be replaced without leaving your employer, coworkers, students and customers high and dry with no notice.
By the looks of it, Mars is long gone. He hasn't responded in this thread for days...
And we wonder why so many hagwon owners are paranoid about NETs, holding diplomas hostage, "security deposits", ridiculous airfare policies, etc...
A few of them are certifiable jerks, most of them have probably been burned like Mars' wonjongnim. |
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shifty
Joined: 21 Jun 2004
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Posted: Sat Apr 30, 2011 11:38 pm Post subject: |
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@jrwhite
I've no doubt there are some people who pay as much as 100 000 for maintenance alone. If I were a lowly EFL teacher earning a paltry 2.3 million odd I wouldn't be happy with the idea. I would wonder why my stupid employer had seen fit to shove me into such accommodation.
You make no comment as to your feelings when you were saddled with this amount. I'm going to assume that you were fine with it, since it was legal and all.
I can't help noticing that all the posters unsympathetic to the OP can't find the number 5 on their keyboard when they need refer to the amount. You see, they don't want to be seen as 'cheap' and be bothered with specifics, especially if it's to do with the other's money.
You ask these same weigukin to coff up 5000 won in any contingency whatsoever, and it's like world come to an end, amen. They bring new meaning to the word 'miser.'
Your language of "blaming them for not putting internet under their own name; LOL" is a bit strong in my opinion. His main beef is have the ARC under his own name. That is, I don't think we should resort to unnecessary remarks just to pump our own case up.
As for me personally, I'm NOT INTERESTED in having to go to immi and get the ARC for myself. That's a matter of principle. I'll accompany the director, sure, if I have to, but that's AS FAR as it goes. Just a foible of mine. I'm sure you have yours too. Actually, very sure.
You contend that he was 'warned to research'. You're gonna have to concede that he did at least put his contract up for assessment. Well, actually you do admit having done so, but then promptly decide that his actions were still however worth nothing.
I will admit here that he should have got the 'maintenance' mugging from a previous teacher, but it's not a standout question exactly, I mean it doesn't easily come to mind. I would never pose the question to a prospective employer for fear of scaring him/her away with all my peskiness. Besides it wouldn't have entered my mind to ask such a peripheral question.
But I'm stupid, as I'm sure you'll agree.
We also see many posts that complain of vacation promises of ten days including weekends, getting cut to 7 days including weekends. Most posters are happy to lend their sympathy to complainants of this.
In contrast the OP teaching 3 days unpaid upfront is not being seen as anything for disquiet. Stick those same posters with 3 days unpaid work and it'll be like armageddon. |
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jrwhite82

Joined: 22 May 2010
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Posted: Sun May 01, 2011 3:52 pm Post subject: |
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The 100,000W I was paying was for a decent officetel right on the subway line. Most other teachers I talked to in my town were paying similar. All the other teachers in my building were paying the same. So there was no shadiness going on. Furthermore, this is something I asked as part of my research....
My language about blaming them is right on the money. He is accusing them of not cosigning internet because they are afraid he might run....well look at his thread title! Can you blame them?
If you are desperate enough to take a job where asking a couple of standard questions about living costs, conditions, etc is going to scare away an employer...I'd say you're doing your research all wrong. You shouldn't be asking the employer this. You should be asking an existing or exiting teacher these questions. I wouldn't say your stupid. Maybe a little naive though.
Basically, my entire point is that Mars may have some legitimate complaints. Especially about his happiness there. However, most of his complaints are easily repaired or should have been noticed with foresight as he was advised multiple times. Therefore, him pulling a runner is not justified. Does he have grounds to quit? Sure! But he doesn't have grounds to quit, leaving his employer, coworkers and students without a teacher. He doesn't have the right to stick his boss with a plane ticket bill. He doesn't have the right to screw his recruiter out of his commission. His reasons for leaving justify him giving proper notice and reimbursing his employer for airfare as laid out in his contract. |
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thurst
Joined: 08 Apr 2009 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Mon May 02, 2011 4:04 am Post subject: |
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| i'm assuming the "unmentionable" details are the real reason he wants to quit/run and the high (but not really unreasonable) maintenance fee is just icing on the cake. |
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shifty
Joined: 21 Jun 2004
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Posted: Mon May 02, 2011 8:13 am Post subject: |
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| thurst wrote: |
| i'm assuming the "unmentionable" details are the real reason he wants to quit/run and the high (but not really unreasonable) maintenance fee is just icing on the cake. |
Poster thurst, a veritable breath of fresh air and I give him/her the royal salute for seeing a situation as it is.
In passing....Not one single respondent on this thread pays maintenance of 100 000 right now.
Does it mean the teachers on Daves are a slummy lower deck lot? |
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shifty
Joined: 21 Jun 2004
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Posted: Mon May 02, 2011 9:53 am Post subject: |
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| jrwhite82 wrote: |
| If you are desperate enough to take a job where asking a couple of standard questions about living costs, conditions, etc is going to scare away an employer...I'd say you're doing your research all wrong. You shouldn't be asking the employer this. You should be asking an existing or exiting teacher these questions. |
My post says exactly what you're saying here.
That the peskiness would scare an employer away, that he should have got the mugging info from a previous teacher.
If you actually read it, you'll see. |
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NYC_Gal 2.0

Joined: 10 Dec 2010
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Posted: Mon May 02, 2011 2:06 pm Post subject: |
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| shifty wrote: |
| thurst wrote: |
| i'm assuming the "unmentionable" details are the real reason he wants to quit/run and the high (but not really unreasonable) maintenance fee is just icing on the cake. |
Poster thurst, a veritable breath of fresh air and I give him/her the royal salute for seeing a situation as it is.
In passing....Not one single respondent on this thread pays maintenance of 100 000 right now.
Does it mean the teachers on Daves are a slummy lower deck lot? |
Even when I was away and didn't use electricity, with the exception of my fridge, and water, my officetel bill was about 100k. It does sound about right, if a nice building. |
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