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ESL Milk "Everyday
Joined: 12 Sep 2007
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| It's not ESL. We don't teach ESL in Korea, Taiwan or Japan. We teach EFL! The context and demands are different. People here haven't taken the time to learn about teaching methodology or the difference between ESL or EFL. |
Has someone already pulled out the 'Well then I guess we should all leave this site' line?
I don't think that being anal about what to call it makes you a better teacher... if we're on this site, chances are we're in Korea, and chances are we're all basically talking about the same thing-- I can't imagine that being any more obvious. |
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metalhead
Joined: 18 May 2010
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| Posted: Mon May 02, 2011 8:19 am Post subject: |
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| Really ridiculous OP, but on a site that has posters like Radius it doesn't surprise me. You should already be teaching EFL properly, and if you can't work out how to do it, do a CELTA or something, observe teachers that know what they're doing, and for God's sake improve yourself. |
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legrande
Joined: 23 Nov 2010
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| Posted: Mon May 02, 2011 8:22 am Post subject: |
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Are you being serious? Is this some kind of joke?
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Why do you think it would be a joke?
The Korean government grants teaching visas to thousands of native English speakers every year who have absolutely no experience or qualifications as teachers. |
You're definitely right about that. The universities in Korea are the only ones that appreciate qualified instructors.
'Rico |
It might be more accurate to say that, "Some universities in Korea appreciate qualified instructors, while others hire people that'll boost their image". |
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Son Deureo!
Joined: 30 Apr 2003
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| Posted: Mon May 02, 2011 7:01 pm Post subject: |
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| It might be more accurate to say that, "Some universities in Korea appreciate qualified instructors, while others hire people that'll boost their image". |
I'm not sure why qualified instructors wouldn't be the best thing to boost their image, but this is Korea....
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| Has someone already pulled out the 'Well then I guess we should all leave this site' line? |
Maybe we should Google that, too.
http://forums.eslcafe.com/korea/viewtopic.php?p=2618224&highlight=#2618224
I guess some people just like beating a dead horse. |
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Fishead soup
Joined: 24 Jun 2007
Location: Korea
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| Posted: Mon May 02, 2011 7:01 pm Post subject: |
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| ESL Milk "Everyday wrote: |
Monkeys can listen and repeat.
I really hope you don't honestly think that the entire scope of all ESL teaching is listen and repeat vs. hangman. |
Comments are not directed at you per se since I know you know the difference, but to readers here in general.
It's not ESL. We don't teach ESL in Korea, Taiwan or Japan. We teach EFL! The context and demands are different. People here haven't taken the time to learn about teaching methodology or the difference between ESL or EFL.
Audio- Lingualism is part of the lesson plan known as "controlled practice". Substitution drilling which is part of the Audio Lingual Approach is used in the Textbook Side by Side. Backchanting is also considered ALA.
Ideally you want to eventially go to Freer practice.
I'm not advocating using the full forty five minutes on choral repetition but I've never met anybody who can go the full forty five minutes without using it at least once. Even if you're playing a Baam game you're gonna do listen and repeat when the target expressions appear on the screen.
Also, the Audiolinguial method has worked well in Russia where generations studied English using this approach. But because it was based on behaviorist theory it was criticized. |
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ESL Milk "Everyday
Joined: 12 Sep 2007
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| Posted: Mon May 02, 2011 7:29 pm Post subject: |
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Geez... why do we even bother to talk to each other at all anymore? |
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legrande
Joined: 23 Nov 2010
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| Posted: Mon May 02, 2011 8:30 pm Post subject: |
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@San Deureo!
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| I'm not sure why qualified instructors wouldn't be the best thing to boost their image, but this is Korea.... |
Some unis actually appreciate/can evaluate/base their hiring on good teaching, while others are just looking for those with the best looking credentials. |
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Son Deureo!
Joined: 30 Apr 2003
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| Posted: Tue May 03, 2011 5:32 am Post subject: |
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| ESL Milk "Everyday wrote: |
Geez... why do we even bother to talk to each other at all anymore? |
Just so we're clear, Mr. Milk, we're on the same side here. |
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PatrickGHBusan
Joined: 24 Jun 2008
Location: Busan (1997-2008) Canada 2008 -
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| Posted: Wed May 04, 2011 8:21 am Post subject: |
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Tips?
Sure....here you go:
Get some teacher training...these are called classes our courses and they are delivered in schools... 
Do some research and read up on lovely topics like: classroom management, curriculum, lesson planning, class activities, pedagogy or andragogy....
Oh and for your next "job" instead of settling for filling time so you get through the lesson...how about you actually develop some form of intellectual curiosity for your job and..ya know...develop skills and abilities that go beyind filling time and playing bingo...just sayin.
Good luck out there. |
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TECO
Joined: 20 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Wed May 04, 2011 11:12 am Post subject: |
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| Son Deureo! wrote: |
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| It might be more accurate to say that, "Some universities in Korea appreciate qualified instructors, while others hire people that'll boost their image". |
I'm not sure why qualified instructors wouldn't be the best thing to boost their image, but this is Korea....
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| Has someone already pulled out the 'Well then I guess we should all leave this site' line? |
Maybe we should Google that, too.
http://forums.eslcafe.com/korea/viewtopic.php?p=2618224&highlight=#2618224
I guess some people just like beating a dead horse. |
You can imagine it to be whatever you want. But it still isn't ESL. |
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Son Deureo!
Joined: 30 Apr 2003
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| Posted: Wed May 04, 2011 8:16 pm Post subject: |
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TECO, I'm going to spell this out for you because you don't appear to be very good at taking a hint.
I'm perfectly aware of the fact that in academic circles EFL refers to teaching English to non-native speakers in countries where English is not widely spoken (e.g. teaching English to Koreans in Korea), while ESL refers to teaching English to non-native speakers in countries where English is widely spoken (e.g. teaching English to Korean immigrants living in the USA). You are correct. You are also correct when you say that the needs of ESL and EFL students are different. Congratulations, you win the prize.
But in case you hadn't noticed, bringing it up here is irrelevant. The OP is in Korea teaching Korean students and asking for advice on a forum of other teachers doing the same. Whether he gets that particular bit of terminology right or not is irrelevant as long as he asks for and gets advice that's germane to his situation. Which he did.
If quibbling over ESL vs. EFL is really so important to you, TECO, why don't you start a new thread about that instead of derailing threads where people actually want to discuss teaching? |
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kiknkorea
Joined: 16 May 2008
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| Posted: Wed May 04, 2011 10:08 pm Post subject: Re: I'm scared about REALLY teaching |
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Work at a hagwan now and don't do much but just waste time "teaching", play games etc.
My time is almost up and I have been applying for others jobs (not in Korea) and what causes me serious concern is that they really want me to teach. I mean teach teach. I have become somewhat an expert at killing time and formulating lessons that although they look good in reality they are just pathetic jokes -ultimate time killing/wasting activities. |
It sounds like you know what the problem is but are having trouble getting out of the habit of killing time until the days over. Trust me, you're not alone on this.
I've had co-workers who would sing a song or two, write all the answers on the board so the books would get finished, and then spend the last half or more of class watching the kids color or play games. 
A lot of what you will need to do depends on where you go and what kind of environment you're in.
Just be ready to engage the students and let them know what you expect from them. |
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Tundra_Creature
Joined: 11 Jun 2009
Location: Canada
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| Posted: Thu May 05, 2011 5:25 am Post subject: |
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| I'm going to echo everyone else here and say research and teacher training. If you're actually serious about it, take the time and get the degree. |
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TECO
Joined: 20 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Thu May 05, 2011 8:40 am Post subject: |
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| Son Deureo! wrote: |
TECO, I'm going to spell this out for you because you don't appear to be very good at taking a hint.
I'm perfectly aware of the fact that in academic circles EFL refers to teaching English to non-native speakers in countries where English is not widely spoken (e.g. teaching English to Koreans in Korea), while ESL refers to teaching English to non-native speakers in countries where English is widely spoken (e.g. teaching English to Korean immigrants living in the USA). You are correct. You are also correct when you say that the needs of ESL and EFL students are different. Congratulations, you win the prize.
But in case you hadn't noticed, bringing it up here is irrelevant. The OP is in Korea teaching Korean students and asking for advice on a forum of other teachers doing the same. Whether he gets that particular bit of terminology right or not is irrelevant as long as he asks for and gets advice that's germane to his situation. Which he did.
If quibbling over ESL vs. EFL is really so important to you, TECO, why don't you start a new thread about that instead of derailing threads where people actually want to discuss teaching? |
One thing you can't seem to get through your thick skull is that we do not teach in an ESL context. Simple - do I need to break out the crayons and diagram it for you? Which colors do you like? |
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Zackback
Joined: 05 Nov 2010
Location: Kyungbuk
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| Posted: Thu May 05, 2011 2:42 pm Post subject: |
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So if/since(?) we don't teach in an ESL context then what are we supposed to be doing?
...and what kind of context are we teaching in?
just curious |
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