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How badly does being asian affect my chances?
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punchi



Joined: 01 Mar 2011

PostPosted: Mon May 09, 2011 1:44 pm    Post subject: How badly does being asian affect my chances? Reply with quote

Hello,

I know caucasians are preferred for teaching positions but I still want to try! Some background info: born and raised in Canada, speak fluent english, my parents are chinese, no teaching experience, no certificates, meet the usual minimum requirements for their hiring (degree, no criminal background, good health, ect). So how bad are my chances?? I am looking for a private school position (I'm not too picky about location or age of students) around early August, if that matters.

Thanks!

PS - I know this has probably been asked before, but the forum search isn't being friendly
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andrewchon



Joined: 16 Nov 2008
Location: Back in Oz. Living in ISIS Aust.

PostPosted: Mon May 09, 2011 2:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You're right, if ESL Korea was Hollywood you'd be struggling to get jobs as extras. However, as the Hollywood veterans often say: "it's not the money, it's the MONEY!". In many places it's about whether you're willing to work. You've got some time. Get a TESOL certification with in class training + 100 hours. SHOW ENTHUSIASM during the interviews. Check out the web for educational videos and see what an enthusiastic teachers look, sound, do. Not just the ESL teachers but other fields as well. e.g. Rod Howell teaching tap dancing. Also, my predessesor was an unlikely candidate too, but she stayed for three years. Now I have to live up to her standard.
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Hokie21



Joined: 01 Mar 2011

PostPosted: Mon May 09, 2011 2:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't know how badly it hurts your chances but I start teaching in about two weeks and one of the other new teachers arriving is an American of Korean descent.....so no reason why you can't get hired.
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Swampfox10mm



Joined: 24 Mar 2011

PostPosted: Mon May 09, 2011 2:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Can you speak/teach Chinese? That's growing huge here. Not sure what it pays, though. You could sell a school on being able to teach English and Chinese.
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punchi



Joined: 01 Mar 2011

PostPosted: Mon May 09, 2011 2:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

@andrewchon: Haha, funny analogy. Thanks for the tips!

@Hokie21: I think that person may be bilingual, which could help their chances? I see quite a few job postings targeting F4 Visa holders specifically (out of country koreans).

@Swampfox10mm: Interesting, I never considered that. Unfortunately my chinese is awful!
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imGosu



Joined: 25 Apr 2011

PostPosted: Mon May 09, 2011 2:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There is a difference to them if your American-Korean or American-Chinese.

For us, its the same... asian is asian.

But in Korea, seems like they either PREFER Caucasian or American-Korean.
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minos



Joined: 01 Dec 2010
Location: kOREA

PostPosted: Mon May 09, 2011 5:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Go public schools....unless your a very attractive women, few companies seem to want to hire asians without a very imressive looking background(top college, eteaching degree, etc.)
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Strike



Joined: 04 May 2010

PostPosted: Tue May 10, 2011 5:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Depends who you are applying for. I work for CDI and at my training last year 50% of my fellow trainees were Asian American and at my school, two of the teachers are African-American, one is Filipino American and one is Latin-American. I have also met several other none white workers from other branches, so they clearly do not have the preference for a white face.

I would imagine the other large companies like Avalon etc are the same, but I'm not sure.
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winterfall



Joined: 21 May 2009

PostPosted: Tue May 10, 2011 5:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Your looking at a really tough market. Even gyopos (Overseas Koreans) who aren't bilingual get a lot of crap. I've been looking 6 months for a job, went to a near Ivy, and a few years teaching experience. I can't find a job. They either say no or they want to pay me 3-400 less than a fresh out of university, no experience / credentials university grad.

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sadguy



Joined: 13 Feb 2011

PostPosted: Tue May 10, 2011 5:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i'm an asian american and applied to hagwons while living in seoul in 2007. of course there were a lot of openings and i had a lot of offers until they asked to see my picture. after that, they told me they had locations in daegu, busan, etc.

at the time, i had a tesol certificate, a year of experience and a teaching degree. i could only assume they didn't want me because i'm asian. it's tough and it sucks. but like someone else said, if you're a hot asian girl, maybe they'll take you.
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fullcollapseCA



Joined: 03 Aug 2010
Location: Cheongju-@ a Hagwon

PostPosted: Wed May 11, 2011 5:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

My recommendation would be to apply for every job possible to increase your chances. It took me 2 months to secure a job as a Korean-American with below average Korean speaking ability. I know it is a pain for my Korean co-teachers to explain to each parent who questions why a Korean is teaching as a foreign teacher. Sometimes they feel cheated by the foreign teacher experience with me, but my school still keeps me around. I honestly have to work harder than my foreign co teachers. You may expect the same thing. Parents calling and asking about your background.

Sure, it can be easy to clear up, but it is still more (sometimes unnecessary) work for the school to answer these questions to the parents when they can just hire a western looking person.

If you are passionate about teaching in Korea, don't let this stop you. I was persistent and landed a job in a decent city. Good luck! Very Happy
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Joe Blue



Joined: 19 Feb 2011

PostPosted: Wed May 11, 2011 9:46 pm    Post subject: Job