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Dev
Joined: 18 Apr 2006
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 Posted: Thu May 05, 2011 3:07 pm Post subject: ASSANGE: Facebook is the Most Appalling Spy Machine Invented |
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some waygug-in
Joined: 25 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Sat May 07, 2011 7:46 am Post subject: |
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I've felt that way about facebook since the day I first heard of it.
Why on Earth would anyone want to put all their personal information, interests, private details on the net for all to see is beyond me. |
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Dev
Joined: 18 Apr 2006
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| Posted: Sat May 07, 2011 5:48 pm Post subject: |
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What gets me is how
1) There's really no competing website doing almost the same thing. My Space & Friendster are nowhere near as popular. I find this to be very suspicious.
2) I feel like at some point there's been a big PUSH to get all the corpoarions onto Facebook. Do you know a major corporation that does not have a Facebook page? So many corporations now require you to have a Facebook account to enter their contests or benefit from their promotions.
3) Facebook creater, Mark Zuckerberg said on CBS 60 Minutes that while he does not sell people's personal information, he does sell access to it to the corporations.
Part one
http://youtu.be/C_wucE5Giko
Part two
http://youtu.be/1znhVrb8Yek
4) Now we have this "like" button you're supposed to click when you like a corporation, organization or product. Why? So that companies can direct market to you? Plus, there's no "dislike" button. Even You Tube has a dislike button in the form of a thumbs down button. |
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Fox
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Sat May 07, 2011 6:30 pm Post subject: |
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| Dev wrote: |
What gets me is how
1) There's really no competing website doing almost the same thing. My Space & Friendster are nowhere near as popular. I find this to be very suspicious. |
Why? The nature of the product discourages real competition; whichever social media site at any given time is the most popular will automatically tend to suck up the bulk of the users simply because it's the most popular. Why would someone choose a less popular social media site with fewer users?
Now admittedly as a non-Facebook user, maybe I'm missing something here. But if there's one thing that seems less appealing to me than participating in Facebook, it's participating in some less popular Facebook-equivalent on which fewer people I know have an account. |
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Dev
Joined: 18 Apr 2006
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| Posted: Thu May 12, 2011 12:45 pm Post subject: |
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| Fox wrote: |
| Dev wrote: |
What gets me is how
1) There's really no competing website doing almost the same thing. My Space & Friendster are nowhere near as popular. I find this to be very suspicious. |
Why? The nature of the product discourages real competition; whichever social media site at any given time is the most popular will automatically tend to suck up the bulk of the users simply because it's the most popular. Why would someone choose a less popular social media site with fewer users?
Now admittedly as a non-Facebook user, maybe I'm missing something here. But if there's one thing that seems less appealing to me than participating in Facebook, it's participating in some less popular Facebook-equivalent on which fewer people I know have an account. |
For me, facebook is a product. In most product categories, there are at least two or more players. Ie: cars or Colas.
Ketchup oddly is one product where there is only one real player, Heinz. I heard an interview with a grocery association that said that Heinz has the ketchup market because it's such a perfect product in terms of its balance of sweet and sour flavors.
Personally, I don't find Facebook so exciting or believe it's so perfect that no one else can make an equally appealing networking site. |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
Location: Earth, Solar System
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| Posted: Thu May 12, 2011 2:36 pm Post subject: |
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| You mean the government is going to figure out I'm a fan of House, M.D., went out to a Lantern Festival over the weekend, answered a question about someone, and currently reside in South Korea? The Horrors! |
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Fox
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Thu May 12, 2011 4:01 pm Post subject: |
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| Dev wrote: |
| Fox wrote: |
| Dev wrote: |
What gets me is how
1) There's really no competing website doing almost the same thing. My Space & Friendster are nowhere near as popular. I find this to be very suspicious. |
Why? The nature of the product discourages real competition; whichever social media site at any given time is the most popular will automatically tend to suck up the bulk of the users simply because it's the most popular. Why would someone choose a less popular social media site with fewer users?
Now admittedly as a non-Facebook user, maybe I'm missing something here. But if there's one thing that seems less appealing to me than participating in Facebook, it's participating in some less popular Facebook-equivalent on which fewer people I know have an account. |
For me, facebook is a product. In most product categories, there are at least two or more players. Ie: cars or Colas. |
Some industries simply lend themselves towards, if not total monopolies, at least near monopolies. Used Games are one such example, with Gamestop totally dominating the industry. MMOs seem like another, with World of Warcraft dominating and other MMOs hanging on with player bases no where near as robust. Social Media seems like another; there are other social media sites, but they're tiny.
When one produces a physical product that can be objectively better or worse, competition can get serious. When your service instead becomes "better" in direct proportion to the number of people who use it (as used game exchanges, MMOs, and social media all do), serious competition becomes much more difficult. It takes more than just being better than Facebook to outcompete Facebook at this point.
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| Personally, I don't find Facebook so exciting or believe it's so perfect that no one else can make an equally appealing networking site. |
I don't think there's anything exciting about Facebook in essence at all. Why would people stop using Facebook for a merely equally appealing network though? If it's merely "just as good," and all their friends are all ready on Facebook, they'll keep using Facebook. No, it would have to be a far more appealing network to lure people away, and if someone successfully made one, and if it's far more appealing, why would people be especially inclined to keep using Facebook instead of following their friends to the next big thing? |
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jrwhite82
Joined: 22 May 2010
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| Posted: Thu May 12, 2011 6:19 pm Post subject: |
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| Steelrails wrote: |
| You mean the government is going to figure out I'm a fan of House, M.D., went out to a Lantern Festival over the weekend, answered a question about someone, and currently reside in South Korea? The Horrors! |
While as an adult, it's perfectly acceptable to make your own decisions about what information you post online. To me, the real concern is what children are posting and writing. However, the responsibility resides with their parents/families to monitor it.
Facebook's privacy features are actually quite robust and your information can be kept very confidential.....if you set it up properly and make yourself aware of settings changes. |
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Konglishman
Joined: 14 Sep 2007
Location: Nanjing
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| Posted: Thu May 12, 2011 6:42 pm Post subject: |
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| So, let me get this straight. Assange wants governments to reveal all of their secrets (even ones relating to their national security or even pointless but somewhat sensitive details on international diplomacy). Yet, he has a problem with people voluntarily putting information about themselves on facebook. |
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jrwhite82
Joined: 22 May 2010
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| Posted: Thu May 12, 2011 11:20 pm Post subject: |
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Here is a relevant article:
http://rivals.yahoo.com/highschool/blog/prep_rally/post/Facebook-photos-land-11-athletes-lengthy-suspens?urn=highschool-wp2010
11 HS athletes are suspended for drinking alcohol and smoking tobacco while off school grounds and not during a school event.
This is why parents need to monitor their children more. The generation growing up in schools today is the first generation to face the "social media" age. Families and teachers need to figure out how to help them be more responsible about the personal details, pictures, thoughts, and conversations they share with others. |
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Captain Corea
Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Fri May 13, 2011 2:48 am Post subject: |
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| Doesn't FB have an age limit for registration? |
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Dev
Joined: 18 Apr 2006
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| Posted: Fri May 13, 2011 4:37 am Post subject: |
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| Konglishman wrote: |
| So, let me get this straight. Assange wants governments to reveal all of their secrets (even ones relating to their national security or even pointless but somewhat sensitive details on international diplomacy). Yet, he has a problem with people voluntarily putting information about themselves on facebook. |
I think he's just sticking up for the little guy.
I don't know if he really said this, but in the movie Nixon (by Oliver Stone), Nixon tells Kissenger "Tell them (the public) anything but the truth." People just don't trust governments any more. You don't have to look far into the past to find other examples of the gov lying. Can you say "WMD in Iraq"?
With his Facebook comment, Assange is reminding people that their personal info is not confidential on Facebook. Zuckerberg has been very careful with his words and not promising much of anything in this area. He said he would not sell your private info. But he does sell access to it. What a crafty guy! |
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jrwhite82
Joined: 22 May 2010
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| Posted: Fri May 13, 2011 5:57 am Post subject: |
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| Doesn't FB have an age limit for registration? |
It does, but how hard is it to lie? It's not like they are checking your ID or asking for a copy of your long form birth certificate (and we all know how easy it is to make a passable fake of one of those!). |
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