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Don't get a Ph.D. - Crisis in higher education
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Cedar



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PostPosted: Tue May 17, 2011 5:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

TheGuardPanda wrote:
Has anyone tried to publish any articles in Korean education journals?


Most Korean journals are pay-to-publish; usually about 300,000 won. But because the readers know that, those publications really don't matter. If you want to publish, publish is a SSI listed journal. Otherwise it's not beneficial to your long-term career.
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Swampfox10mm



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PostPosted: Tue May 17, 2011 7:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is more along the lines of BA's, but does anyone else feel like some "top" California schools are doing little more than cashing in on Asian (Korean) name obsession? I know people ridicule schools from places like Australian (USQ, for example), but it sure seems like the money grab is going on all around the world academic community.

I know a former student who graduated from Berkley through a kind of "build a major" type of program. It had more to do with psychology than anything. It left me wondering how she'd be getting a job with something like that? She has no plans to continue on with an MA or more.
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West Coast Tatterdemalion



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PostPosted: Tue May 17, 2011 8:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The problem is that people are stupid and repeat the same mistakes. Sheeple. They should have learned how the there are more people with college degrees than available positions. Especially in this day and age. Now, everyone is going for a Master's or Phd thinking that they are going to be ahead of the game. And the problem only repeates itself. So now you have a bunch of people with advanced degrees and not enough available positions for those degrees. It's a vicious cycle. Sorry, but I learned my lesson, am debt free and there is no chance in hell that I'm going to give them my money in this economic climate. No way.

As for Koreans and Chinese degree holders being unemployed, is that really a surprise? Damn near all of them go to University and there are a limited number of positions for Uni. grads, so I am not surprised that the counter person at Lotteria has a degree. Somebody has to clean the streets. Just think of those poor bastards, they spend all those years in school and hagwon, have education rammed down their throat, go to Uni, get a degree and then have squat to show for it. They must feel pretty pissed off about that thinking about their wasted youth.
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HapKi



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PostPosted: Tue May 17, 2011 5:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Most Korean journals are pay-to-publish; usually about 300,000 won. But because the readers know that, those publications really don't matter. If you want to publish, publish is a SSI listed journal. Otherwise it's not beneficial to your long-term career.


I'd have to disagree with the second half of what you said here. Several Korean based journals are thoroughly peer-reviewed with international reviewers, hold international conferences with leading researchers attending, and have articles focused on Korean based contexts.

Publishing in Korean based journals does have a sense of 'act locally, think globally' to it, but they do matter (especially if you live and teach in Korea) and they have been beneficial, at least to my long-term career.


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recessiontime



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PostPosted: Tue May 17, 2011 5:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://mba-underground.686460.n3.nabble.com/The-College-Conspiracy-td2952977.html

has this been posted yet?
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hondaicivic



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PostPosted: Tue May 17, 2011 7:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

recessiontime wrote:
http://mba-underground.686460.n3.nabble.com/The-College-Conspiracy-td2952977.html

has this been posted yet?



I saw the entire thing yesterday. It confirmed everything I thought about our education system.
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UknowsI



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PostPosted: Tue May 17, 2011 9:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I found the video to be 30% conspiracy non-sense (but I can expect that from the title), but another 30% to be interesting and informative. Too bad they couldn't clip out those bottom 30% to make it more legitimate. Still worth watching, but I was close to turning it off at one point because of the one really annoying guy being interviewed repeatedly.

It was quite obviously when I went to high school that something was wrong when the majority of the boys in my class were going to major in business and become CEO's and investment bankers. These were the highest status jobs with the highest income potential, while the degrees are not particularly hard to obtain. Simple supply and demand can tell us that something wont add up as time pass by.
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recessiontime



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PostPosted: Tue May 17, 2011 9:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

UknowsI wrote:
I found the video to be 30% conspiracy non-sense (but I can expect that from the title), but another 30% to be interesting and informative. Too bad they couldn't clip out those bottom 30% to make it more legitimate. Still worth watching, but I was close to turning it off at one point because of the one really annoying guy being interviewed repeatedly.

It was quite obviously when I went to high school that something was wrong when the majority of the boys in my class were going to major in business and become CEO's and investment bankers. These were the highest status jobs with the highest income potential, while the degrees are not particularly hard to obtain. Simple supply and demand can tell us that something wont add up as time pass by.


I think a lot of people were annoyed by the fact that they brought silver, gold, the fed into it. The last quarter of it focused on "subscribe now!" which irked a lot of people. It's still a great video for the majority of people that have no clue.

My favorite part was when one of the guys being interviews talked about how 'bad' it was when he just graduated. He could find a job but soon enough he'd be forced to buy a home because everyone else was doing it and he'd become a wage slave to pay off their mortgage. Now graduates have student loan debts the size of a house mortgage and work just to pay that off with no houses to live in.
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jamal0000



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PostPosted: Wed May 18, 2011 12:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The reality is that the education system is too rigid and outdated. Why is a phD four years for every subject? Why is a bachelors and masters required before your phD? Why is the phD the only certification indicating advanced education? I don't like blanket statements, people need to realize what they're getting, what its meaning is in the modern world, and how many others have it. Don't just think that a phD is the loftiest certification in the world. Focus on its real meaning. The railroad also used to be the fastest form of transport, but no anymore.
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Hugo85



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PostPosted: Wed May 18, 2011 3:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

UknowsI wrote:
I found the video to be 30% conspiracy non-sense (but I can expect that from the title), but another 30% to be interesting and informative. Too bad they couldn't clip out those bottom 30% to make it more legitimate. Still worth watching, but I was close to turning it off at one point because of the one really annoying guy being interviewed repeatedly.

It was quite obviously when I went to high school that something was wrong when the majority of the boys in my class were going to major in business and become CEO's and investment bankers. These were the highest status jobs with the highest income potential, while the degrees are not particularly hard to obtain. Simple supply and demand can tell us that something wont add up as time pass by.


Haha yeah, what a nonsensical lunatic.

Some interesting stats, which I already knew, with a frosting of conspiracy and nonsense. Overall, I thought it was a very shoddy video which missed making a point.
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allovertheplace



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PostPosted: Wed May 18, 2011 2:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

As someone who is in massive debt, and enrolled in one of those top tier schools, I have a few things to say that I've personally seen. People going to my University in Law and MBA are fine. They all have 4-5 offers 6 months prior to graduation. And by offers I mean 125K a year average, 25K signing bonus average. The friends I have that went to lower ranked programs had to claw into a low payed internship (15 an hour). So if you get into one of the great programs you are doing well.

I knew getting my masters Id incur loads of debt. I did it because I wanted to work in a career where I needed that degree (UN, USAID, World Bank). If I didnt have my goals set so high, or if you dont, DONT GET A MASTERS. And by goals, I mean career goals, not life goals. It's still a coin flip if this will work out but you only live once. Granted, I knew this going in. Thats why I didnt want to get my masters, I wanted to get my MASTERS. I applied to 2 schools understanding that lower level schools dont matter as much to the organizations I listed.

Just go into higher ed with your eyes open. Whatever happens to me I have only myself to blame. I can always teach in Korea again Twisted Evil
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walter235



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PostPosted: Sat May 21, 2011 11:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank God that I only owe $70,000 on my BA in Gender Studies!
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Cedar



Joined: 11 Mar 2003
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PostPosted: Sat May 21, 2011 9:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

HapKi wrote:
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Most Korean journals are pay-to-publish; usually about 300,000 won. But because the readers know that, those publications really don't matter. If you want to publish, publish is a SSI listed journal. Otherwise it's not beneficial to your long-term career.


I'd have to disagree with the second half of what you said here. Several Korean based journals are thoroughly peer-reviewed with international reviewers, hold international conferences with leading researchers attending, and have articles focused on Korean based contexts.

Publishing in Korean based journals does have a sense of 'act locally, think globally' to it, but they do matter (especially if you live and teach in Korea) and they have been beneficial, at least to my long-term career.


HapKi, I'm not saying don't publish in Korean journals. I'd publish in three of them I can name off the top of my head, but two of them are SSI listed journals. You don't have to be published in America to be listed.
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