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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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Yes, it seems Huntsman has endorsed the Ryan Medicare plan. Here's hoping if he's nominated that he'll moderate that stance.
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You seem to be of the 'pig in a poke' school of political philosophy here. Let's elect some guy, then hope he doesn't really believe what he said in the campaign. That's a recipe for heartbreak. |
No, I'm capable of electing someone with whom I haven't fallen in love. Case in point: Obama.
I think at this early stage, there's plausible reasons to believe he's endorsing something for the sake of endorsing it. Newt got skewering for repudiating the Ryan plan. But the Ryan plan has no political legs: its a non-starter for Democrats. It probably will disappear from the political landscape by the time the general election rolls around. |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Wed May 25, 2011 7:09 am Post subject: |
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Gary Johnson is doomed.
Pragmatism has no place in the GOP
His hobbling virtues
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Moreover, unlike Mr Paul, Mr Johnson has racked up executive experience and a sterling record as governor of the Land of Enchantment. As Ms Dalmia relates:
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| Johnson cut in half the 10 percent annual growth his state budget had been experiencing. He vetoed 750 bills, a third of them Republican, privatized government services and trimmed public-sector employee rosters. He lowered taxes and still exited with a tidy budget surplus. |
That sounds pretty good, if you ask me. So here's my question about Mr Johnson. If he's such a great libertarian-leaning Republican candidate, why isn't the allegedly libertarian-leaning tea-party movement crazy about him? I think Ms Dalmia inadvertently hit on the answer:
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| Johnson is no populist. His strategy is to make pragmatic arguments for liberty. Thus he defends his embrace of immigration and opposition to the war on drugs, not on first principles but on fiscal grounds. He doesn�t give lectures on the importance of open borders to individual liberty. Or offer discourses on �your life, your choice� to defend drug use. Rather, he appeals to voters� common sense. As governor, he tackled the illegal immigration issue by demonstrating that illegals pay more in state taxes than they consume in services. Likewise, he emphasizes how the drug war sucks up massive law enforcement dollars without reducing use. |
Ms Dalmia goes on to say, "This is a savvy approach because it allows him to be more pro-liberty on more issues and reach more people, especially independents for whom putting America�s fiscal house in order is a top priority." Similarly, Mr Somin maintains that Mr Johnson is more politically viable than Mr Paul. I disagree with both of them. I think Mr Johnson's gentle pragmatism, far from giving him a clear shot at independent voters, leaves him without a natural core of highly-motivated supporters. |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Wed May 25, 2011 11:42 pm Post subject: |
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Pawlenty tells Iowans the truth; ethanol subsidies don't work
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The truth about federal energy subsidies, including federal subsidies for ethanol, is that they have to be phased out. We need to do it gradually. We need to do it fairly. But we need to do it. ...
It's not only ethanol. We need to change our approach to subsidies in all industries.
It can't be done overnight. The industry has made large investments, and it wouldn't be fair to pull the rug out from under it immediately. But we must face the truth that if we want to invite more competition, more investment, and more innovation into an industry�we need to get government out. We also need the government out of the business of handing out favours and special deals. The free market, not freebies from politicians, should decide a company's success. So, as part of a larger reform, we need to phase out subsidies across all sources of energy and all industries, including ethanol. We simply can't afford them anymore. |
Wilkinson then speculates that Pawlenty knows he won't win Iowa, so why not appear principled while losing? |
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bucheon bum
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Thu May 26, 2011 5:19 am Post subject: |
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| Kuros wrote: |
Gary Johnson is doomed.
Pragmatism has no place in the GOP
His hobbling virtues
| Will Wilkinson wrote: |
Moreover, unlike Mr Paul, Mr Johnson has racked up executive experience and a sterling record as governor of the Land of Enchantment. As Ms Dalmia relates:
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| Johnson cut in half the 10 percent annual growth his state budget had been experiencing. He vetoed 750 bills, a third of them Republican, privatized government services and trimmed public-sector employee rosters. He lowered taxes and still exited with a tidy budget surplus. |
That sounds pretty good, if you ask me. So here's my question about Mr Johnson. If he's such a great libertarian-leaning Republican candidate, why isn't the allegedly libertarian-leaning tea-party movement crazy about him? I think Ms Dalmia inadvertently hit on the answer:
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| Johnson is no populist. His strategy is to make pragmatic arguments for liberty. Thus he defends his embrace of immigration and opposition to the war on drugs, not on first principles but on fiscal grounds. He doesn�t give lectures on the importance of open borders to individual liberty. Or offer discourses on �your life, your choice� to defend drug use. Rather, he appeals to voters� common sense. As governor, he tackled the illegal immigration issue by demonstrating that illegals pay more in state taxes than they consume in services. Likewise, he emphasizes how the drug war sucks up massive law enforcement dollars without reducing use. |
Ms Dalmia goes on to say, "This is a savvy approach because it allows him to be more pro-liberty on more issues and reach more people, especially independents for whom putting America�s fiscal house in order is a top priority." Similarly, Mr Somin maintains that Mr Johnson is more politically viable than Mr Paul. I disagree with both of them. I think Mr Johnson's gentle pragmatism, far from giving him a clear shot at independent voters, leaves him without a natural core of highly-motivated supporters. |
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Yeah, he'll be gone by "Super Tuesday". A shame. |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994
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| Posted: Thu May 26, 2011 5:33 am Post subject: |
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Yes, it seems Huntsman has endorsed the Ryan Medicare plan. Here's hoping if he's nominated that he'll moderate that stance.
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You seem to be of the 'pig in a poke' school of political philosophy here. Let's elect some guy, then hope he doesn't really believe what he said in the campaign. That's a recipe for heartbreak. |
No, I'm capable of electing someone with whom I haven't fallen in love. Case in point: Obama.
I think at this early stage, there's plausible reasons to believe he's endorsing something for the sake of endorsing it. Newt got skewering for repudiating the Ryan plan. But the Ryan plan has no political legs: its a non-starter for Democrats. It probably will disappear from the political landscape by the time the general election rolls around. |
Hmm. You have a strange definition of love. All I mean is that I expect my candidate to make a good-faith effort to support the issues he campaigned on. (I don't expect him to win every battle, but I do expect him to try.) Anything less is crass pandering.
A non-starter for Democrats? I beg to differ. After what happened last night in NY-26 and in the Senate today, the Dems are going to do their very best to hang 'Medicare Killer' around the neck of every GOP Representative and Senator who voted for it and then hook that to an anchor and toss them off the nearest bridge. Now the actual bill that ends up getting discussed over the next 18 months won't be Ryan's plan, but the public is going to be reminded of who voted for it.
Mr. Ryan may not even have a job come Jan. '13. He may have to take his storied abs to the porn industry.
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| Mr Johnson's gentle pragmatism |
That brought a smile. Governor Veto is a pragmatist? What was that that character in Princess Bride said about definitions? |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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soupsandwich
Joined: 20 May 2011
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| Posted: Thu May 26, 2011 9:04 am Post subject: |
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Well, here is my criteria for a vote....
1. Reduces Federal infuclence over the states.
2. Is pro life (generally...case by case)
3. Cuts certain entitlement spending
4. Penalizes American companies for opening factories in China (Apple).
We've got to keep business here, in the U.S.....simple.
5. Allows tax breaks for small business (small business are responsible
for nearly 70% of job growth).
6. Orders 10,000 National Guard troops to various spots on the US/Mex
border. That is what the National Guard is for, folks.
7. Again, offers a pathway to citizenship for illegals in the country but
takes a very touch stance on illegal immigration...and penalizes
companies that partake in hiring illegals.
8. Is genuinely willing to work with Democrats and not be afraid to stand
up to his own party members.
9. Rekindle important relationships with countries such as New Zealnd and
Australia (there are reasons for this).
10. Starts up off shore drilling so that we can use OUR OWN oil for once.
11. Allow farmers to do their jobs again and stop allowing other
countries putting them out of business.
12. Cuts off aid to certain countries that have been bleeding us for years.
13. Does not go to a church were the pastor is anti-american.
14. Has no problem producing a birthcertificate that proves he is native
born American.
15. Pushes for the decriminalization of marijuana
16. Take our troops out of South Korea and let them deal with the
problem.
17. Tells Mexico that they get their affairs/house in order or we will
bring the fight to them (or at the very least....allow American citizens
going to Mexico to have the same, easy entitlements as illegal
Mexicans in our country).
18. Encourages politicians to leave the military alone with most of their
policies.
19. Has served in the Armed Forces.
20. Makes it his/her sole purpose to only only protect America and Americans, but to make sure America gets back on track and stands for
what it's consitution says. I'm not so much concerned about being
the only superpower.....but getting our own house in order.
21. Decides to tackle the problem with American prisons and "rehabilitation".
22. Instill a level of discipline, respect and accountability that we once
had in our schools.
I think that is a good start.
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Fri May 27, 2011 11:55 am Post subject: |
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Huntsman's unofficial RINO ad
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The most brutal quote? It's a tie between "I think health care is a right" and "putting a value on carbon either suggests that you get a carbon tax or a cap-and-trade system underway." |
Yeah, so I don't think he truly supports the Ryan Medicare plan. Call it pig-in-a-poke, but its really just an informed judgment. |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994
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| Posted: Fri May 27, 2011 4:31 pm Post subject: |
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Ms Palin is stirring up the water again. What's the consensus of the board? She bought a new home in Arizona. Is her up-coming movie release in Iowa and her bus tour over Memorial Day weekend just publicity stunts or is she really getting into the race?
I think she's just looking to keep her speaking fees high. Michelle Bachmann is the more likely candidate (not nominee). |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Sun May 29, 2011 10:15 am Post subject: |
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Sarah Palin Launches Bus Tour Today
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| Palin will launch an East-Coast bus tour, attending the Rolling Thunder motorcycle rally in Washington D.C., an event that supports veterans and POW-MIAs. From there, she'll travel to "historical sites that were key to the formation, survival and growth of the United States of America," as her political spokesman phrased it. The tour is expected to include a stop in New Hampshire, and it looks like a sign that Palin is seriously considering a White House run in 2012. |
She hasn't decided whether she'll run, but she doesn't have to decide. She's going to pull the media along for as long as possible. |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Fri Jun 03, 2011 1:25 pm Post subject: |
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Okay, its official. People who support Sarah Palin are officially, like Sarah herself, idiots.
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Mediaite reports on CNN�s Brooke Baldwin delivering an account of Sarah�s encapsulation today of the midnight ride of Paul Revere.
In Sarah�s version, Revere was
�He who warned, uh, the�the British that they weren�t gonna be takin� away our arms, uh, by ringin� those bells and um by makin� sure that as he�s ridin� his horse through town to send those warnin� shots and bells that uh we were gonna be secure and we were gonna be free�and we were gonna be armed.� |
What a complete ignoramus. |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Sat Jun 04, 2011 4:35 pm Post subject: |
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CNN Excludes Gary Johnson, but invites non-candidates to NH debate
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| Another problem with the CNN approach is that it permits the participation of politicians who aren't even formally running for president. I don't just mean pols like Michele Bachmann, who will participate despite the fact that she's neither declared nor set a date for an announcement. Or Sarah Palin, another invitee who won't make it, but could have if she wanted to take a break from her bus tour. CNN also invited Mitch Daniels and Mike Huckabee before they withdrew. Neither man will take the debate stage and make a mockery of the proceedings. But if they did, would CNN stick to its objective standards? |
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ontheway
Joined: 24 Aug 2005
Location: Somewhere under the rainbow...
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| Posted: Mon Jun 06, 2011 2:01 am Post subject: |
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Okay, its official. People who support Sarah Palin are officially, like Sarah herself, idiots.
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Mediaite reports on CNN�s Brooke Baldwin delivering an account of Sarah�s encapsulation today of the midnight ride of Paul Revere.
In Sarah�s version, Revere was
�He who warned, uh, the�the British that they weren�t gonna be takin� away our arms, uh, by ringin� those bells and um by makin� sure that as he�s ridin� his horse through town to send those warnin� shots and bells that uh we were gonna be secure and we were gonna be free�and we were gonna be armed.� |
What a complete ignoramus. |
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Mark Whittington � Sun Jun 5, 3:38 pm ET
Sarah Palin stepped out of Paul Revere's home in Boston and appeared to get her history wrong.
Except, albeit somewhat clumsily expressed, Palin was correct.
Professor William A. Jacobson over at Legal Insurrection notes the memoirs of Revere himself:
In it, Revere recounts an incident during the famous Midnight Ride in which he was accosted by a British military patrol and was interrogated about what his business was on the road. Revere indicated to his British captors that he had warned the countryside of the approach of British troops up the Lexington-Concord road, matching pretty much what Palin said.
"He demanded what time I left Boston? I told him; and added that their troops had catched aground in passing the River, and that there would be five hundred Americans there in a short time, for I had alarmed the Country all the way up. He imediately rode towards those who stoppd us, when all five of them came down upon a full gallop; one of them, whom I afterwards found to be Major Mitchel, of the 5th Regiment, Clapped his pistol to my head, called me by name, & told me he was going to ask me some questions, & if I did not give him true answers, he would blow my brains out. He then asked me similar questions to those above."
Palin either has actually cracked open a book or, just as likely, was paying attention to the lecture visitors get when they go to Paul Revere's home, unlike her critics. |
Talking after being captured doesn't seem to be the same as "warning the British."
Palin's version of ringing bells and shooting guns seems more like some Saturday morning cartoon version of events - which is an even more likely source for Palin's facts than Palin having opened a book or listened to the visitors' lecture. |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994
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| Posted: Mon Jun 06, 2011 4:05 pm Post subject: |
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Talking after being captured doesn't seem to be the same as "warning the British."
Palin's version of ringing bells and shooting guns seems more like some Saturday morning cartoon version of events - which is an even more likely source for Palin's facts than Palin having opened a book or listened to the visitors' lecture. |
Yes, there's been a lot of nonsense about that this past weekend. Maybe she thinks Revere planned to get captured and questioned by the British so he could 'warn' them...in which case he could have saved himself a lot of trouble by just staying in Boston where the British were.
I'm wondering if she was maybe channeling some right-wing revisionist history from somewhere, where the whole Lexington/Concord engagement has been reinterpreted as a gun rights, rah rah militia thing. After all, she hangs out with a former secessionist.
The best explanation I've seen so far is this one:
But I think it helps to understand that, for right-wing populists, this thing we call "history" is less about real people who did real things in the real world, and more like just the Bible Part II. It's a myth that can be manipulated to suit their purpose, which is usually to establish themselves as the only Real Americans. When Palin says she got it right, I believe she believes that, because her story wasn't really about Paul Revere. Her story was a thinly veiled allegory of the Tea Party worldview, and in it, Tea Partiers are Paul Revere and the British stand in for Obama, the foreign usurper who is out to take their guns. (That Obama is a gun-snatcher is also a lie worth noting, and of course there's a bit of Birtherism going on here, too.)
http://www.doublex.com/blog/xxfactor/sarah-palin-has-her-own-american-history |
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