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decolyon
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He had a warrant and he was picked up for it. You don't need to break the law if you have a warrant for your arrest for them to take you in. If he had handled his off the leash thing instead of ignoring it, this wouldn't have happened.
But this is the kind of hooey we expect from bacasper who is a paranoid "the gov't is out to get you" ubber libertarian and Ron Paul nutcase. |
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young_clinton
Joined: 09 Sep 2009
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Supposedly in the USA it is pretty serious to do stuff like that... In Canada the worst thing that would happen is they would politely ask you to leave and then come back in an hour to make sure you are gone.
After 30 minutes of explaining, them threating me with arrest and a night in jail, they finally let me go. I asked them, "if we cannot sleep here is there a rest stop near here?" They responded, "We don't care where you sleep as long as it isn't in San Diego." So we drove for 2 hours (it was around 3am) until we found a rest stop.
Is the USA out of control with the police? My experience... Yep... totally out of control.
They could have just asked us to leave... If it was that serious... |
You can't sleep at public parks at most places in the USA. However the behaviour of the police in this case is just plain police harrassment. They didn't like you. When I was traveling around the US, I slept in a car in front of a park once and was awoken and told I couldn't do that and that I had to leave, but not the entire city. I'm surprised this happened to you because the police usually leave you alone, unless you're in that wonderful place called the South. |
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Abe Scrap
Joined: 01 May 2011
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| Posted: Mon May 23, 2011 7:14 am Post subject: |
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He had a warrant and he was picked up for it. You don't need to break the law if you have a warrant for your arrest for them to take you in. If he had handled his off the leash thing instead of ignoring it, this wouldn't have happened.
But this is the kind of hooey we expect from bacasper who is a paranoid "the gov't is out to get you" ubber libertarian and Ron Paul nutcase. |
So you glibly dismiss all the cases documented in this thread simply because the OP was bacasper? HAHAHAHAHAH!
P.S. Those people there from the government, they're there to help you.  |
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decolyon
Joined: 24 Jul 2010
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| Posted: Mon May 23, 2011 11:49 am Post subject: |
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He had a warrant and he was picked up for it. You don't need to break the law if you have a warrant for your arrest for them to take you in. If he had handled his off the leash thing instead of ignoring it, this wouldn't have happened.
But this is the kind of hooey we expect from bacasper who is a paranoid "the gov't is out to get you" ubber libertarian and Ron Paul nutcase. |
So you glibly dismiss all the cases documented in this thread simply because the OP was bacasper? HAHAHAHAHAH!
P.S. Those people there from the government, they're there to help you. |
I'm so sick of the anti-government conspiracy bullmalarky. It's been going around for decades by ubber right wing conservative republicans and far out lunatic libertarians. My god people, if you think the government is so bad and out to get you, why don't you go live in a place like Somalia where there is no gov't to come and get you.
Oh that's right, because then you wont have clean air or water, a military to defend you, any kind of economy to speak of, and things like roads a bridges to get from here to there. But that won't matter because you wont have any kind of objective safety rating agency to tell you if your car is safe. But that doesn't matter either, because without regulation every company will just agree to pay their people a dollar an hour so it's not like you'll be able to afford a car anyways. But boy oh boy, wouldn't the taxes be low!
Grow up. This isn't a pot smoke filled dorm room anymore where you all sit around and make up stories about how big government and big corporations are just in bed with each other and out to get you and your money.
So for any other American out there that can't stand our "big" government... put up or shut up. Go ahead and revoke your citizenship and join up with some other country you find more appealing. Go ahead, do it. I dare you. Until then, all your moaning and groaning makes you look like child and an idiot. |
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recessiontime
Joined: 21 Jun 2010
Location: Got avatar privileges nyahahaha
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| Posted: Mon May 23, 2011 1:20 pm Post subject: |
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I'm so sick of the anti-government conspiracy bullmalarky. It's been going around for decades by ubber right wing conservative republicans and far out lunatic libertarians. My god people, if you think the government is so bad and out to get you, why don't you go live in a place like Somalia where there is no gov't to come and get you.
Oh that's right, because then you wont have clean air or water, a military to defend you, any kind of economy to speak of, and things like roads a bridges to get from here to there. But that won't matter because you wont have any kind of objective safety rating agency to tell you if your car is safe. But that doesn't matter either, because without regulation every company will just agree to pay their people a dollar an hour so it's not like you'll be able to afford a car anyways. But boy oh boy, wouldn't the taxes be low!
Grow up. This isn't a pot smoke filled dorm room anymore where you all sit around and make up stories about how big government and big corporations are just in bed with each other and out to get you and your money.
So for any other American out there that can't stand our "big" government... put up or shut up. Go ahead and revoke your citizenship and join up with some other country you find more appealing. Go ahead, do it. I dare you. Until then, all your moaning and groaning makes you look like child and an idiot. |
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Abe Scrap
Joined: 01 May 2011
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| Posted: Tue May 24, 2011 8:09 am Post subject: |
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| decolyon wrote: |
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He had a warrant and he was picked up for it. You don't need to break the law if you have a warrant for your arrest for them to take you in. If he had handled his off the leash thing instead of ignoring it, this wouldn't have happened.
But this is the kind of hooey we expect from bacasper who is a paranoid "the gov't is out to get you" ubber libertarian and Ron Paul nutcase. |
So you glibly dismiss all the cases documented in this thread simply because the OP was bacasper? HAHAHAHAHAH!
P.S. Those people there from the government, they're there to help you. |
I'm so sick of the anti-government conspiracy bullmalarky. It's been going around for decades by ubber right wing conservative republicans and far out lunatic libertarians. |
So you are ignoring the reality of all the so-called "conspiracies" which have turned out to be true, after first being belittled by people who spoke just like you. Now come back down to earth.
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My god people, if you think the government is so bad and out to get you, why don't you go live in a place like Somalia where there is no gov't to come and get you.
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So for any other American out there that can't stand our "big" government... put up or shut up. Go ahead and revoke your citizenship and join up with some other country you find more appealing. Go ahead, do it. I dare you. Until then, all your moaning and groaning makes you look like child and an idiot.
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No, because I love my country. In fact, I love it so much that I want to make it better and correct its wrongs. One thing that makes America great (or made, depending on your PoV) is the right to free speech and dissent. I am trying to maintain that.
So if you don't care enough about your country to fight for the principloes upon which it was founded, and you merely want to go on with your knee-jerk support of whatever lies your government is hurling at you today, YOU go to a place like North Korea, Cuba, or Saudi Arabia where your attitude will fit right in. |
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decolyon
Joined: 24 Jul 2010
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| Posted: Tue May 24, 2011 9:51 pm Post subject: |
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| Abe Scrap wrote: |
| decolyon wrote: |
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| decolyon wrote: |
He had a warrant and he was picked up for it. You don't need to break the law if you have a warrant for your arrest for them to take you in. If he had handled his off the leash thing instead of ignoring it, this wouldn't have happened.
But this is the kind of hooey we expect from bacasper who is a paranoid "the gov't is out to get you" ubber libertarian and Ron Paul nutcase. |
So you glibly dismiss all the cases documented in this thread simply because the OP was bacasper? HAHAHAHAHAH!
P.S. Those people there from the government, they're there to help you. |
I'm so sick of the anti-government conspiracy bullmalarky. It's been going around for decades by ubber right wing conservative republicans and far out lunatic libertarians. |
So you are ignoring the reality of all the so-called "conspiracies" which have turned out to be true, after first being belittled by people who spoke just like you. Now come back down to earth.
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My god people, if you think the government is so bad and out to get you, why don't you go live in a place like Somalia where there is no gov't to come and get you.
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So for any other American out there that can't stand our "big" government... put up or shut up. Go ahead and revoke your citizenship and join up with some other country you find more appealing. Go ahead, do it. I dare you. Until then, all your moaning and groaning makes you look like child and an idiot.
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No, because I love my country. In fact, I love it so much that I want to make it better and correct its wrongs. One thing that makes America great (or made, depending on your PoV) is the right to free speech and dissent. I am trying to maintain that.
So if you don't care enough about your country to fight for the principloes upon which it was founded, and you merely want to go on with your knee-jerk support of whatever lies your government is hurling at you today, YOU go to a place like North Korea, Cuba, or Saudi Arabia where your attitude will fit right in. |
What lies are my government feeding me? Come on, give me some examples. |
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Abe Scrap
Joined: 01 May 2011
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| Posted: Wed May 25, 2011 9:15 am Post subject: |
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No, because I love my country. In fact, I love it so much that I want to make it better and correct its wrongs. One thing that makes America great (or made, depending on your PoV) is the right to free speech and dissent. I am trying to maintain that.
So if you don't care enough about your country to fight for the principloes upon which it was founded, and you merely want to go on with your knee-jerk support of whatever lies your government is hurling at you today, YOU go to a place like North Korea, Cuba, or Saudi Arabia where your attitude will fit right in. |
What lies are my government feeding me? Come on, give me some examples. |
This is a joke question, right? Everything your government does is a fraud. Every politician lies to get elected. It's all an illusion just to gain power over you.
It is easier for you just to give one example of when the government has told the truth. I have asked for this on a number of occasions and am still waiting for a single example. |
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Friend Lee Ghost
Joined: 06 Jun 2011
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| Posted: Thu Jun 30, 2011 9:09 am Post subject: |
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Chess players busted in Manhattan park
Cops bust seven men playing chess in upper Manhattan park
By PERRY CHIARAMONTE, JAMIE SCHRAM and DAN MANGAN
Last Updated: 11:28 AM, November 18, 2010
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Drop that bishop and come out with your hands up!
A squad of cops in bulletproof vests swooped into an upper Manhattan park and charged seven men with the "crime" of playing chess in an area off-limits to adults unaccompanied by kids -- even though no youngsters were there.
"Is chess really something that should be considered a threat to the neighborhood?" Inwood resident and mom Joanne Johnson wrote Mayor Bloomberg, the City Council and Police Commissioner Ray Kelly after the raid.
"This incident is an embarrassment to the officers from the 34th Precinct who felt that it was necessary to use their badge and authority to issue such a random summons." |
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There should be no areas off-limits to adults unaccompanied by children. That entire concept is nonsense. This is the kind of stupidity the sex-crimes witch hunt leads us to. It needs to stop; if I ever get arrested because I sit down and enjoy a read in a park, only to find out that it's a "no adults area," I might snap. |
'We were treated like child molesters': Fury of woman fined for sitting in playground without a child
By Daniel Bates
Last updated at 7:17 PM on 10th June 2011
After buying their coffee and donuts, they walked across the street to sit in the park and enjoy the June sunshine.
But just minutes later the three women and one man were swooped on by two cops who gave them a $50 fine - for not having a child with them.
They were told that they were sitting in a children�s play area and, as they were on their own, they had broken the law.
The two female friends and a girlfriend and her boyfriend now face having to go to court to �clear their name� or pay the �ridiculous� fine.
They have now spoken out to shame the New York Police Department after being �treated like child molesters� for doing nothing more than sit on a park bench.
The incident happened in Bed-Stuy in Brooklyn, an area in which cops have been exposed for by the Village Voice newspaper for giving out tickets for very low-level offences just to meet quotas.
Irina Levin, 28, and a friend from Ohio were fined, as was Margaret Day and her boyfriend.
All four had gone to coffee shop Dough and crossed the street armed with a hot drink and a doughnut before being fined.
�We were having fun watching the kids play around and we were having a conversation about having kids together in the future,� Ms Day told the Wall St Journal.
�And then we suddenly get treated like we were just some creepy child molesters."
Ms Levin, an anthropology student, told Gothamist: �As we were getting ready to move on, two officers approached us.
Then they asked us, �Are you here with a child?� We told them no.
�One of the cops moved on to the couple on a bench nearby (Ms Day and her boyfriend), also ostensibly childless, while the other one asked for our IDs.
�We handed them over and soon we were being guarded by this cop as his partner took our IDs to their police car. My friend and I were confused.
�We had seen parks with gates that had a sign clearly stating that adults without children were not allowed in. This park had no such sign... |
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Reggie
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joelove
Joined: 12 May 2011
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| It's really something how fearful it seems people have become. Is it the TV shows like 'Criminal Minds' or news reports? No doubt this has been discussed in this thread. On my last visit to Canada I stayed with my brother who lived near a little playground area which was a good shortcut to a store. But I felt creepy walking there if kids were around. Guess the TV got to me too. So I'd walk around that and only use the shortcut when the area was empty. I haven't had this feeling of being creepy in this way in Asia. The 'climate of fear' is not the same. Plus, there are just too many damn people! |
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Friend Lee Ghost
Joined: 06 Jun 2011
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Like keeping all your web surfing records for 18 months.
Congress Tries To Hide Massive Data Retention Law By Pretending It's An Anti-Child Porn Law
from the oh-come-on dept
We all know the cynical and obnoxious trick by politicians to get questionable laws passed by claiming that it's "for the children." The latest, however, is particularly nefarious. Some politicians (and lots of folks in law enforcement) have been pushing for the US government to adopt data retention laws for years. These laws would require online service providers to keep all sorts of data about users for many months, just in case law enforcement wants to come knocking later to get the details. Of course, data retention is controversial. You know what's not controversial? Being against child porn. We're all against child porn... so, rather than calling your bill a data retention law, why not refer to it as the Protecting Children from Internet Pornographers Act of 2011. Yes, that's the bill put forth by Texas Congressional Rep. Lamar Smith, and co-sponsored by Reps. Bill Flores, Randy Forbes, Dutch Ruppersberger and Debbie Wasserman Schultz.
The bill actually has very little to do with stopping child pornographers, but a lot to do with requiring online service providers to retain certain information (mainly IP addresses) on users for 18 months. Of course, as Chris Soghoian points out, the bill exempts WiFi providers, so it's woefully ineffective at stopping child porn, since anyone who wanted to do that just needs to go to Starbucks.
But, for legitimate service providers, there are serious costs. On top of that, there are significant privacy issues -- and this is at the same time that we keep hearing about data leaks. You want to encourage more data leaks? Require companies hold onto data much longer than they need to do so. The really pernicious part in all of this is that it's really just a way for law enforcement to do an end run around the 4th Amendment. Julian Sanchez explains how this works:
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Thanks to an unwise Supreme Court decision dating from the 70s, information about your private activites loses its Fourth Amendment protection when its held by a �third party� corporation, like a phone company or Internet provider. As many legal scholars have noted, however, this allows constitutional privacy safeguards to be circumvented via a clever two-step process. Step one: The government forces private businesses (ideally the kind a citizen in the modern world can�t easily avoid dealing with) to collect and store certain kinds of information about everyone�anyone might turn out to be a criminal, after all. No Fourth Amendment issue there, because it�s not the government gathering it! Step two: The government gets a subpoena or court order to obtain that information, quite possibly without your knowledge. No Fourth Amendment problem here either, according to the Supreme Court, because now they�re just getting a corporation�s business records, not your private records. It makes no difference that they�re only keeping those records because the government said they had to.
Current law already allows law enforcement to require retention of data about specific suspects�including e-mails and other information as well as IP addresses�to ensure that evidence isn�t erased while they build up enough evidence for a court order. But why spearfish when you can lower a dragnet? Blanket data requirements ensure easy access to a year-and-a-half snapshot of the online activities of millions of Americans�every one a potential criminal. |
But, of course, if you complain about this or argue against the law, the title alone makes it sound like you're defending child pornography. How nice. |
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Fox
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Washington prosecutor wants to jail cartoonist for mocking police.
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A prosecutor in Renton, Washington wants to send an anonymous Internet cartoonist to jail for embarrassing the police department.
In documents obtained by KIRO 7, prosecutors asked the King County Superior Court to issue a warrant forcing Google to turn over the true identity of cartoonist known as MrFiddlesticks.
One video even seems to address the prosecutor�s obsession with the cartoonist.
�Is there any reason why an anonymous video, with no identifying information that ties it to the department or city is being taken more seriously than officers having sex on duty, arguing with outside agencies while in a drunken stupor off duty, sleeping while on duty, throwing someone off a bridge, and having inappropriate relationships with coworkers and committing adultery?� a cartoon officer asked.
�The reason is that internal dirt is internal,� a cartoon bureaucrat replied. �The department will crucify certain people and take care of others.�
City prosecutors are basing their case on a broad cyberstalking law that makes it a crime to �harass,� torment, or embarrass� a person with �any lewd, lascivious, indecent, or obscene words, images, or language.�
�The cyberstalking angle doesn�t pass the laugh test,� cyber-law expert Venkat Balasubramani told KIRO 7′s Chris Halsne. �It�s a serious stretch and I�d be surprised if somebody looked at it and realistically thought these acts actually fit the statute and we could make somebody criminally liable.�
�I think they were trying to get at the speaker and they looked around for a statute that shoehorned their conduct into and sent that to Google and said �turn over the information.��
The City Attorney�s office and Renton police department did not respond to questions from Halsne.
Watch this video from KIRO 7, broadcast Aug. 3, 2011. |
I'm not sure if this is necessarily the best thread to put this in, since making animated videos mocking real events at a police agency isn't really a part of "daily life" for most of us. It is, however, an abuse of police power, and I don't want to start a new thread. |
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Privateer
Joined: 31 Aug 2005
Location: Easy Street.
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So in America you can't walk a dog without a leash, you can't go into a park after dark, you can't sit with a friend and have a coffee in a children's play area, and you can't ride your bicycle on the pavement, and, if you do, the cops will not simply tell you it's against the law like a normal, reasonable person - they will fine or arrest you.
Land of the free?! |
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visitorq
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| Posted: Fri Aug 05, 2011 9:16 pm Post subject: |
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So in America you can't walk a dog without a leash, you can't go into a park after dark, you can't sit with a friend and have a coffee in a children's play area, and you can't ride your bicycle on the pavement, and, if you do, the cops will not simply tell you it's against the law like a normal, reasonable person - they will fine or arrest you.
Land of the free?! |
Pretty much. Try and sell some home-grown veggies at a road-side stand these days, and you're liable to have a SWAT team descend on you....
You want to buy or sell healthy raw milk (or any products containing it) instead of the regular pasteurized hormone-saturated crud from the supermarket? Then you better be ready for the Feds to show up with guns, shut down your business and confiscate your 'illegal' product:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BXBhSDRZL9g&feature=related
Land of the free indeed... |
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