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Grainne86
Joined: 17 May 2011
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Posted: Thu May 26, 2011 1:31 am Post subject: |
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Phew, this thread is giving me a bit of hope - I thought I was going to starve as a veggie over there!
Are there any good fresh fruit/veg markets around Seoul? |
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coffeeman

Joined: 24 Nov 2005 Location: Korea
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Posted: Thu May 26, 2011 7:40 am Post subject: |
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| myenglishisno wrote: |
Westerners will harrass you endlessly and never drop it.
Some highlights from the last couple months:
"For every animal you don't eat, I'll eat three!"
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If someone tells you this again, you should answer
"Great! Give me a call when you find yourself in the cardiolgy or cancer ward of a hospital and I'll bring you a salad."
One unfortunate part of the vegetarian debate is that non-vegetarians seem to believe that being a vegetarian is an all or nothing choice. If you announce that you're a vegetarian, they automatically paint you as an animal rights activist.
While it's true that many vegetarians are passionate about animal welfare issues, some people are vegetarian mainly for human health reasons.
The critics of vegetarians seem to have forgotten the fact that diet is personal and that people set their own perameters about what they're going to eat. Some people will not be vegetarian 365 days of the year and once in a while have a hamburger (like at a summer BBQ). It depends what their goals are. Many people simply want to reduce their meat consumption and be vegetarian most of the time.
Thanks to factory farming and fast food restaurants, we live in a time when meat is cheap and we can afford to eat it every day. But in fact, our bodies were not made for this amount of meat consumption and we have the high rates of cancer and heart disease to prove it. For good health, people need to return to the diet people had 80 years ago when meat was served occasionally. Or of course, you can go full veg making sure you get your protein from beans. This is fully possible. Most of India's population is healthy from a vegetarian diet.
Bill Maher says he is not vegetarian 365 days of the year.
http://youtu.be/aztxTPXbWbw
The less meat you eat, the better for the environment. Raising animals to eat accounts for 18% of all green house gases contributing to global warming. That is the biggest single source worse than driving a car or flying. |
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myenglishisno
Joined: 08 Mar 2011 Location: Geumchon
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Posted: Thu May 26, 2011 9:01 am Post subject: |
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I hate hippies for basically ruining the image of environmentalists, vegetarians and several other things. PETA does more harm than good, especially for the image of vegetarians.
I'm actually further from being a hippie than most of the omnivores I know and the second I say I'm a vegetarian they think I'm some kind of treehugging, beatnik, flower power, douche-face.  |
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NSMatt
Joined: 29 Dec 2008 Location: London
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Posted: Thu May 26, 2011 9:07 am Post subject: |
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| coffeeman wrote: |
| myenglishisno wrote: |
Westerners will harrass you endlessly and never drop it.
Some highlights from the last couple months:
"For every animal you don't eat, I'll eat three!"
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If someone tells you this again, you should answer
"Great! Give me a call when you find yourself in the cardiolgy or cancer ward of a hospital and I'll bring you a salad."
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Nice try. There is emerging evidence that the paleo diet reduces the risk of cancer. Maybe you should change your avatar and start worrying about things that really hurt people.
http://www.nationalpost.com/todays-paper/Fair+trade+coffee/4782606/story.html |
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West Coast Tatterdemalion
Joined: 31 Aug 2010
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Posted: Thu May 26, 2011 5:57 pm Post subject: |
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Last I looked, a fish is not a vegetable. So, apply some logic here. You eat fish, you aren't a vegetarian. Period. As far as meat in the Korean diet, there is an element of it in nearly every Korean dish. Fish stock alone accounts for a high percentage. You are patently wrong on that one.
The bottom line is that eating meat is not good for your health. You can post all the inane "studies" about it supposedly being beneficial, but those "studies" have probably been bought and paid for by that lovely, murderous meat industry. Try to think outside your Big Mac or Whopper. |
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coffeeman

Joined: 24 Nov 2005 Location: Korea
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Posted: Thu May 26, 2011 6:16 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks for the article NSMatt. You learn something new everyday.
That said, I will personally do some more research on fair trade coffee. I don't agree with the very last part of the article that says that some fair trade coffee has to be sold as regular coffee to keep fair trade prices up.
Obviously this claim is based on old info because this year coffee bean prices have gone up 30 - 40%. There's a huge demand on coffee period. Maybe this article was researched last year , but published this month. |
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NSMatt
Joined: 29 Dec 2008 Location: London
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Posted: Thu May 26, 2011 7:46 pm Post subject: |
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| West Coast Tatterdemalion wrote: |
The bottom line is that eating meat is not good for your health. You can post all the inane "studies" about it supposedly being beneficial, but those "studies" have probably been bought and paid for by that lovely, murderous meat industry. Try to think outside your Big Mac or Whopper. |
Ecomentalist logic at it's finest.
If you have specific criticism of a particular study, then cite your evidence and attack it directly. Instead of pointing out methodological issues you falsely create a straw man and then attack it. Your moral self-righteousness and personal commitment to vegetarianism are clouding your ability to think critically. "Probably". |
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West Coast Tatterdemalion
Joined: 31 Aug 2010
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Posted: Thu May 26, 2011 9:14 pm Post subject: |
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| Yes, because if NSMatt read it somewhere, it must be true. Sure, Matt, I believe everything you say. |
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NSMatt
Joined: 29 Dec 2008 Location: London
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Posted: Thu May 26, 2011 11:27 pm Post subject: |
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| Yes, because if NSMatt read it somewhere, it must be true. Sure, Matt, I believe everything you say. |
This has nothing to do with believing what I say, it's about making claims based on evidence and not emotion.
When you say things like 'any study that supports meat consumption must be funded by the meat lobby' you just look ridiculous. If it's true, then prove it. If not, then stop spewing nonsense.
There are a number of healthy diets that incorporate plants, grains, low fat meats, and fish. If you have some legitimate health criticisms of the Mediterranean or Japanese diets then state them. Both have long been established to lower cardiovascular risk and contribute to long life. |
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weebil
Joined: 24 May 2009
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Posted: Fri May 27, 2011 2:59 am Post subject: |
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| coffeeman wrote: |
The less meat you eat, the better for the environment. Raising animals to eat accounts for 18% of all green house gases contributing to global warming. That is the biggest single source worse than driving a car or flying. |
best reason for being a vegetarian right here! the UN agrees! |
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coffeeman

Joined: 24 Nov 2005 Location: Korea
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Posted: Fri May 27, 2011 5:23 am Post subject: |
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| NSMatt wrote: |
| West Coast Tatterdemalion wrote: |
The bottom line is that eating meat is not good for your health. You can post all the inane "studies" about it supposedly being beneficial, but those "studies" have probably been bought and paid for by that lovely, murderous meat industry. Try to think outside your Big Mac or Whopper. |
Ecomentalist logic at it's finest.
If you have specific criticism of a particular study, then cite your evidence and attack it directly. Instead of pointing out methodological issues you falsely create a straw man and then attack it. Your moral self-righteousness and personal commitment to vegetarianism are clouding your ability to think critically. "Probably". |
Wow! This kind of attacking is exactly what myenglishisno was referring to earlier.
Let's remind everybody that this is Dave's ESL forum and not The New York Times (but even they get it wrong sometimes) or The New England Journal of Medicine. Mainly opinions are posted on Dave's. I always believed that Dave's was a friendly place where one could express one's opinion. Really, there is no need to go on Dave's and attack people for their opinions. .
BTW, the meat industry in the U.S. is always on the attack to censor people who express any negative opinions on meat. In the movie, Food inc., they show how Oprah Winfrey was taken to court by them because during one of her shows he said that she felt that hamburgers were unhealthy.
She won in the case, BTW. |
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West Coast Tatterdemalion
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Posted: Fri May 27, 2011 7:26 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks, Coffeeman. I love how these random posters expect me to post a dissertation just so some stranger can feel their point is valid. Not gonna happen, Matt. This forum just isn't that important to me. But you go ahead and post all your "facts" and "studies." It obviously means more to you.  |
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coffeeman

Joined: 24 Nov 2005 Location: Korea
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Posted: Sat May 28, 2011 6:01 am Post subject: |
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On Green & Vegetarian issues in Korea, I was just thinking about the "Wellbeing" restaurants there.
That's a nice trend and a good way to market healthy food. Instead of focusing on what you can't eat (which is the way many people wrongly look at vegetarianism), they focus on what you can eat for good health. It's very clever.
I wonder if this trend is in any way partly due to the fact that generally when people speak about Japanese food, they say how healthy the cuisine is. The same high praise is generally not given to Chinese food because it tends to be oily.
In North America, I believe that Korean food has only really become popular in the last 15 years. Still, if you asked many North Americans today whether Korean food was healthy, I think not many would be able to answer the question.
So, I'm suggesting that maybe one of the motivations behind the wellbeing restaurants is a repositioning of Korean food as healthy. Excluding samgyepsal, dok po gi, kalbi, and maybe a couple of others, I would say Korean food is healthy. |
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Menino80

Joined: 10 Jun 2007 Location: Hodor?
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Posted: Sat May 28, 2011 2:06 pm Post subject: |
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Few comments that will incite some attacks against me:
1) There's nothing more annoying and gratifying at the same time as seeing an American go into another country and get their panties in a twist everyday cuz they're vegetarian.
Vegetarians from the west are major douche bags:
"Stop saying you're vegetarian if you eat fish! You're not one of us!"
Dude, no one gives a flying f about your eating habits or what you stand for. No one cares about your pseudo-movement. Who gives a crap? Eat whatever you want, everyone else will do the same.
I love veggies too.
2) Korea is like the easiest country to be a vegetarian. It's cheap, and the vast majority of our diet comes from non-meat products. There are tougher challenges in life than finding veggies in Korea. Much tougher.
Don't go to specialty places (which Korea is full of) and go to 백반집's (Baek ban) where they just serve rice, soup and side dishes. Most of the side dishes will be veg and not have any meat in it. Enjoy. Probably cost you 6,000 including unlimited refills on your veggies. |
you have to be kidding me. 75% of the items at a Kimbab cheonguk have meat |
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Menino80

Joined: 10 Jun 2007 Location: Hodor?
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Posted: Sat May 28, 2011 2:16 pm Post subject: |
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| NSMatt wrote: |
| coffeeman wrote: |
| myenglishisno wrote: |
Westerners will harrass you endlessly and never drop it.
Some highlights from the last couple months:
"For every animal you don't eat, I'll eat three!"
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If someone tells you this again, you should answer
"Great! Give me a call when you find yourself in the cardiolgy or cancer ward of a hospital and I'll bring you a salad."
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Nice try. There is emerging evidence that the paleo diet reduces the risk of cancer. Maybe you should change your avatar and start worrying about things that really hurt people.
http://www.nationalpost.com/todays-paper/Fair+trade+coffee/4782606/story.html |
What is this "emerging" evidence? Why is it only emerging now? And what makes its scope sufficient? |
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