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Sen. Paul single-handedly holds up PATRIOT reauthorizations

 
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Abe Scrap



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PostPosted: Fri May 27, 2011 7:25 am    Post subject: Sen. Paul single-handedly holds up PATRIOT reauthorizations Reply with quote

Rand Paul has a long way to go before he will get the same respect I give to his father. But with what he is doing here, coupled with the speech he gave doing it, he accomplished a significant part of that journey.

Senate Impasse Persists Over Patriot Act Reauthorization

By Dan Friedman
Updated: May 26, 2011 | 3:04 p.m.


Senate leaders hope to reach a deal setting up a series of votes on Thursday night in order to resolve an impasse that could allow three key Patriot Act provisions to lapse for seven hours on Friday.

There was no agreement byThursday afternoon, but Senate leadership aides -- who are used to resolving up disputes on Thursday nights before Senate recesses -- said that they cautiously anticipate a deal in time to allow both chambers to swiftly clear the bill. President Obama would then sign the legislation renewing authorization of the provisions set to expire for four more years.

Provisions in the bill authorize federal law enforcement officials to use roving wiretaps to track suspects who vary communications devices; to monitor suspected �lone wolves� -- people suspected of plotting violence who aren�t linked to known terrorist organizations abroad; and to require businesses to turn over their private information, such as hotel bills and other data on credit-card transactions, related to terror suspects.

Those powers expire at midnight on Thursday.However, under a procedure worked out by Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., a vote on passage of the a bill reauthorizing three Patriot Act provisions for four years will not occur until 7 a.m. on Friday unless all 100 senators agree to an earlier vote.

Sen. Rand Paul, R-Ky., so far has rejected a deal because he says Reid reneged on a promise to allow votes on amendments to increase privacy protections. On Thursday, Paul said he had nearly reached a deal with both leaders to allow him votes on two amendments, including one exempting certain gun records from being searched under Patriot Act authority.

But Senate Judiciary Chairman Patrick Leahy, D-Vt,., who has been pushing for a vote on his own amendment that would sunset some provisions in the legislation before 2015 and increase oversight of government use the Patriot Act authorities, said that he would object to such an arrangement without a vote on his proposal as well. According to a Democratic leadership aide, Republicans will not agree to a vote on Leahy�s amendment without votes on additional GOP amendments. That was the basis of the impasse on Thursday afternoon.

Another holdup appears to be among Republicans. According to Paul and GOP aides, McConnell is blocking a vote on Paul�s gun-related amendment. Gun Owners of America, though not the National Rifle Association, back the amendment, which might force GOP senators into an awkward vote pitting gun rights against national security concerns.
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Abe Scrap



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PostPosted: Fri May 27, 2011 7:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The speech he gave defending his amendments is perhaps the best snippet I have seen from him yet.
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PostPosted: Fri May 27, 2011 7:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Abe Scrap wrote:
The speech he gave defending his amendments is perhaps the best snippet I have seen from him yet.


Yeah, I can see how you would like his trumped-up righteous indignation. Even when I agree with stance (as I do here), I find this attitude tiresome. He starts by griping about the personal attack upon him, and sticks in the middle the attack on the Constitution. Again, I can see how you would identify with that.
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Abe Scrap



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PostPosted: Fri May 27, 2011 8:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kuros wrote:
Abe Scrap wrote:
The speech he gave defending his amendments is perhaps the best snippet I have seen from him yet.


Yeah, I can see how you would like his trumped-up righteous indignation. Even when I agree with stance (as I do here), I find this attitude tiresome. He starts by griping about the personal attack upon him, and sticks in the middle the attack on the Constitution. Again, I can see how you would identify with that.

I could see how George Bush and you would regard the Constitution as "just a goddamned piece of paper." Stop with the damn ad hominems already. Again, I could see how you and George II would regard it. Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: Fri May 27, 2011 8:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Abe Scrap wrote:
Kuros wrote:
Abe Scrap wrote:
The speech he gave defending his amendments is perhaps the best snippet I have seen from him yet.


Yeah, I can see how you would like his trumped-up righteous indignation. Even when I agree with stance (as I do here), I find this attitude tiresome. He starts by griping about the personal attack upon him, and sticks in the middle the attack on the Constitution. Again, I can see how you would identify with that.

I could see how George Bush and you would regard the Constitution as "just a goddamned piece of paper." Stop with the damn ad hominems already. Again, I could see how you and George II would regard it. Rolling Eyes


You ad hominem me all the time. Grow some thick-skin or stop spouting BS: your choice.
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PostPosted: Fri May 27, 2011 12:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Youtube edit makes Rand Paul look like he's indulging his self-righteous side (and he does have one).

Here's the full video in the link. He make a good substantive case here.
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PostPosted: Fri May 27, 2011 4:04 pm    Post subject: Re: Sen. Paul single-handedly holds up PATRIOT reauthorizati Reply with quote

Abe Scrap wrote:
Rand Paul has a long way to go before he will get the same respect I give to his father. But with what he is doing here, coupled with the speech he gave doing it, he accomplished a significant part of that journey.



I agree. He seems to be a proxy for his father with regards to today's issues. Not a bad thing. He's a more likeable version. Although I trust his father more.

The government, espcially the Congress lacks people with integrity. People who can't be bought or scared off by the various special interest and powers that be.

I don't agree with everything Ron Paul stands for and probably not Rand as well but they do appear to have integrity and that's what's needed nowadays more than anything.

The ones for the Patriot's Act in its present form do so for political expediency.
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