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soupsandwich
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The asinine conspiracy theories are back again with a vengeance.
We've been very lucky on the CE board for a few years, but recently we've started into decline. |
...never stated I bought into. |
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catman
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Why wasn't the same demanded of Michael Dukakis when he ran for President?  |
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soupsandwich
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| Why wasn't the same demanded of Michael Dukakis when he ran for President? |
1. No speculation of him being a muslim
2. He was born in Brookline Mass.
3. He actually had a political background before he ran for president.
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shifter2009
Joined: 03 Sep 2006
Location: wisconsin
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| Posted: Sun May 29, 2011 5:12 pm Post subject: |
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| Why wasn't the same demanded of Michael Dukakis when he ran for President? |
1. No speculation of him being a muslim
2. He was born in Brookline Mass.
3. He actually had a political background before he ran for president.
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Are you saying being a United States Senator isn't a political background? |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Sun May 29, 2011 6:23 pm Post subject: |
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| Why wasn't the same demanded of Michael Dukakis when he ran for President? |
1. No speculation of him being a muslim
2. He was born in Brookline Mass.
3. He actually had a political background before he ran for president.
soupsandwich |
Are you saying being a United States Senator isn't a political background? |
In those two years Obama just put his name on bills, whenever he was actually there. Chris Dodd admitted as much during the primaries.
Or do you think Obama ran a Presidential campaign and was able to serve as a real Senator? |
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shifter2009
Joined: 03 Sep 2006
Location: wisconsin
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| Posted: Sun May 29, 2011 6:29 pm Post subject: |
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| Kuros wrote: |
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| soupsandwich wrote: |
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| Why wasn't the same demanded of Michael Dukakis when he ran for President? |
1. No speculation of him being a muslim
2. He was born in Brookline Mass.
3. He actually had a political background before he ran for president.
soupsandwich |
Are you saying being a United States Senator isn't a political background? |
In those two years Obama just put his name on bills, whenever he was actually there. Chris Dodd admitted as much during the primaries.
Or do you think Obama ran a Presidential campaign and was able to serve as a real Senator? |
What is your definition of real? He was elected and served in office, it is a political background. The quality of his service is another debate. |
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bucheon bum
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| Posted: Mon May 30, 2011 2:17 pm Post subject: |
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| shifter2009 wrote: |
| Kuros wrote: |
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| soupsandwich wrote: |
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| Why wasn't the same demanded of Michael Dukakis when he ran for President? |
1. No speculation of him being a muslim
2. He was born in Brookline Mass.
3. He actually had a political background before he ran for president.
soupsandwich |
Are you saying being a United States Senator isn't a political background? |
In those two years Obama just put his name on bills, whenever he was actually there. Chris Dodd admitted as much during the primaries.
Or do you think Obama ran a Presidential campaign and was able to serve as a real Senator? |
What is your definition of real? He was elected and served in office, it is a political background. The quality of his service is another debate. |
Agreed. Plus he was a state senator. It isn't like the dude just came out of nowhere. People were hyping him up from 2004 onward. |
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soupsandwich
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| Posted: Mon May 30, 2011 2:48 pm Post subject: |
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| Agreed. Plus he was a state senator. It isn't like the dude just came out of nowhere. People were hyping him up from 2004 onward. |
I think you'll not the key word, there.
In all fairness, I'm currently taking a look at his voting record as a Senetor. I've heard different myths about his time and record in that office.....some things are good...some I don't agree with but could find room to compromise....and others, I could never agree with.
..should be interesting.
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Mon May 30, 2011 4:58 pm Post subject: |
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| shifter2009 wrote: |
| Kuros wrote: |
| shifter2009 wrote: |
| soupsandwich wrote: |
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| Why wasn't the same demanded of Michael Dukakis when he ran for President? |
1. No speculation of him being a muslim
2. He was born in Brookline Mass.
3. He actually had a political background before he ran for president.
soupsandwich |
Are you saying being a United States Senator isn't a political background? |
In those two years Obama just put his name on bills, whenever he was actually there. Chris Dodd admitted as much during the primaries.
Or do you think Obama ran a Presidential campaign and was able to serve as a real Senator? |
What is your definition of real? He was elected and served in office, it is a political background. The quality of his service is another debate. |
Of course, you're right, he was elected and served in office. The Muslim thing is bunk and so is the request for his birth certificate. And we knew who he was through his campaign.
But his Presidential campaign was really his service as Senator. And Barack's political experience is almost nil. But people preferred his lack of experience to the kind of experience his rivals had. |
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shifter2009
Joined: 03 Sep 2006
Location: wisconsin
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| Posted: Mon May 30, 2011 5:53 pm Post subject: |
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| Kuros wrote: |
| shifter2009 wrote: |
| Kuros wrote: |
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| soupsandwich wrote: |
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| Why wasn't the same demanded of Michael Dukakis when he ran for President? |
1. No speculation of him being a muslim
2. He was born in Brookline Mass.
3. He actually had a political background before he ran for president.
soupsandwich |
Are you saying being a United States Senator isn't a political background? |
In those two years Obama just put his name on bills, whenever he was actually there. Chris Dodd admitted as much during the primaries.
Or do you think Obama ran a Presidential campaign and was able to serve as a real Senator? |
What is your definition of real? He was elected and served in office, it is a political background. The quality of his service is another debate. |
Of course, you're right, he was elected and served in office. The Muslim thing is bunk and so is the request for his birth certificate. And we knew who he was through his campaign.
But his Presidential campaign was really his service as Senator. And Barack's political experience is almost nil. But people preferred his lack of experience to the kind of experience his rivals had. |
Well, there is a reason long term senators generally don't do well in presidential campaigns. The longer you are in office the more ugly votes and bills you get your name tied too. With all the compromises necessary to get anything done in the senate, it is really tough to keep voting record that makes everyone happy. |
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jodemas2
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| Posted: Fri Jun 03, 2011 6:20 am Post subject: |
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| bucheon bum wrote: |
| Agreed. Plus he was a state senator. It isn't like the dude just came out of nowhere. People were hyping him up from 2004 onward. |
Well, going from state senator to president in six years is pretty close to coming from out of nowhere. |
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Menino80
Joined: 10 Jun 2007
Location: Hodor?
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| Posted: Fri Jun 03, 2011 7:00 am Post subject: |
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| Do you know how you get elected President of the US? Not having a traceable opinion about anything important. Obama did that wonderfully. |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994
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| Posted: Fri Jun 03, 2011 8:43 am Post subject: |
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| And Barack's political experience is almost nil. But people preferred his lack of experience to the kind of experience his rivals had. |
Is that really fair? Is elective office the only kind of political experience that counts?
He got his BA in 1983 and the next year started work at the New York Public Interest Resarch Group. Then he did three years as director of the Developing Communities Project, then back to law school. Then there was two years as Visiting Law and Government Fellow at the University of Chicago Law School and worked twelve years, then his work for a voter registration project, and his years as councel for a law firm specializing in civil rights legislation. At some point he got himself elected to the Illinois State Legislature.
While only part of the time was spent in elective office, the rest of the time was spent in some form or other of public service.
If one were a cynic then, yes, it would be possible to say that Obama didn't have much experience in public life. In the same vein, if one were a cynic, one could say that lawyers were in the field of screwing everyone else out of their life savings, their homes, their marriages, and their rights in an effort to suck up to the rich elites so they could join their country clubs and feel like they were doing god's work to protect the republic...and their split level in a gated community in the burbs.
In short, public service can come in many forms. None of them have much to do with preparing a person to serve as president. The closest is governor, but they don't have foreign policy experience, and that is a major part of the presidency. In my opinion, when choosing a presidential candidate, you have to ask: Can I trust this person with nukes? Nothing that I know of prepares a person for that. |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Fri Jun 03, 2011 11:31 am Post subject: |
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If one were a cynic then, yes, it would be possible to say that Obama didn't have much experience in public life. In the same vein, if one were a cynic, one could say that baby boomers were in the field of screwing everyone else out of their life savings, their homes, their marriages, and their rights in an effort to suck up to the rich elites so they could join their country clubs and feel like they were doing god's work to protect the republic...and their split level in a gated community in the burbs. |
Fixed and bolded for you! |
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