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winterfall
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| I say let em stay and negotiate the relocation more flexibly. Street vendor's aren't rich and they've got some really tough lives. At least they're still trying to work for their money instead of begging. |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Sun May 29, 2011 9:13 pm Post subject: |
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Yeah, get rid of them and put them on the welfare dole! That's the way to solve the problem!
From what I understand life has and will go on with street vendors there.
Why is it so hard to let people just throw up a stand and sell stuff? Does everything need a permit?
Yeah I'm all for getting rid of the bootleg goods stand under a piracy law, but someone who is selling taffy? Someone who is selling crafts? Lighten up. You can still walk down the street, you aren't immobilized.
There are times for government regulation, I don't believe that its necessary here in certain cases. |
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yeti08
Joined: 04 Nov 2009
Location: Anyang - Pyeongchon
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| Posted: Sun May 29, 2011 9:45 pm Post subject: |
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| Insadong should also consider closing that street off to cars on weekends. |
^THAT x infinity!!! |
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CentralCali
Joined: 17 May 2007
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| Posted: Sun May 29, 2011 11:16 pm Post subject: |
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| Yeah, get rid of them and put them on the welfare dole! That's the way to solve the problem! |
Nobody's saying that. What they're saying is to move them to a venue where they (a) can operate and (b) will not illegally block passage of pedestrians on the pedestrian routes (aka sidewalks).
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| From what I understand life has and will go on with street vendors there. |
Yes, and life will continue to go on with any number of illegal things happening. There very well may be a good reason for this particular one. Oh, yes! The authorities actually stated why they were taking this action.
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| Why is it so hard to let people just throw up a stand and sell stuff? Does everything need a permit? |
Certain things do need a permit. Selling food is a wonderful candidate for permit requirements. There's a very good reason for the government to be involved in that: the government's mandate to ensure the public health.
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| Yeah I'm all for getting rid of the bootleg goods stand under a piracy law, but someone who is selling taffy? Someone who is selling crafts? Lighten up. You can still walk down the street, you aren't immobilized. |
Well, we can still walk down the sidewalk while dodging the morons riding their scooters and motorcycles on the sidewalk. Seems that the authorities are addressing misuse of the sidewalks incrementally.
You're fine with a counterfeit product being regulated, so why wouldn't you be fine with an edible product being regulated?
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| There are times for government regulation, I don't believe that its necessary here in certain cases. |
As I mentioned earlier in the thread, perhaps things would all go for the better if both the stall owners illegally blocking the sidewalk and the shop owners who also illegally block the sidewalk with their goods are fined. Throw into that mix the morons who ride their scooters and motorcycles on the sidewalk. Next thing you know, people will be able to walk down the sidewalks without tripping, dodging, or getting run over!
Someone mentioned that in the West, the street stalls are gone. That's not exactly correct. Many places regulate them. There are also places in the East that regulate street stalls. Nobody's died from that yet so I guess it's not the disaster the Insadong street vendors act like it is. |
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eamo
Joined: 08 Mar 2003
Location: Shepherd's Bush, 1964.
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| Posted: Sun May 29, 2011 11:20 pm Post subject: |
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| Insadong should also consider closing that street off to cars on weekends. |
^THAT x infinity!!! |
Pedestrianization of suitable areas would do wonders for the quality of life and tourism in Seoul.........time to win back the streets from the curse of the car!!! |
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bluelake
Joined: 01 Dec 2005
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| Posted: Mon May 30, 2011 12:32 am Post subject: |
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| Insa-dong has really changed over the years. Back up to the mid to late 90s, the shops had a more traditional feeling about them and you could deal with the owners. Also, you could actually find some original antiques and not the reproductions/fakes that are all too commonplace nowadays. The street vendors, likewise, had some really great items. At that time, a lot of the items that were sold in the shops were bought from the street vendors. Now, the shops have mostly become more upscale with overpriced items. The street vendors also don't carry the quality items they used to. |
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nukeday
Joined: 13 May 2010
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| Posted: Mon May 30, 2011 3:48 am Post subject: |
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Yeah, get rid of them and put them on the welfare dole! That's the way to solve the problem!
From what I understand life has and will go on with street vendors there.
Why is it so hard to let people just throw up a stand and sell stuff? Does everything need a permit?
Yeah I'm all for getting rid of the bootleg goods stand under a piracy law, but someone who is selling taffy? Someone who is selling crafts? Lighten up. You can still walk down the street, you aren't immobilized.
There are times for government regulation, I don't believe that its necessary here in certain cases. |
Yeah I've never had any problems walking around Insadong on the weekends. It's just during the week when there are cars trying to slowly plow through the crowds.
Pedestrianize (great word) Sinchon and Hongdae on weekends. Hongdae's "parking street" is a joke. |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Mon May 30, 2011 6:23 am Post subject: |
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| Nobody's saying that. What they're saying is to move them to a venue where they (a) can operate and (b) will not illegally block passage of pedestrians on the pedestrian routes (aka sidewalks). |
Which would be?
You don't want to put foot stalls on the welfare dole but you want to put them "out of the way" of pedestrians.
What's next? Putting Drive through movie theaters out of the way of cars?
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| Yes, and life will continue to go on with any number of illegal things happening. There very well may be a good reason for this particular one. Oh, yes! The authorities actually stated why they were taking this action. |
Oh my goodness, because of these street vendors I have to veer occasionally while walking! Foot traffic moves at 1 mile an hour instead of 1.5 mph.
All I got to say is anyone griping about this better not be giving a free pass to the subway poker players...
Annoying? Yes! Might have "accidentally" stumble over a stall? Yes. Boot the illegal DVD seller out? Yes. Crackdown? Not necessary.
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| Certain things do need a permit. Selling food is a wonderful candidate for permit requirements. There's a very good reason for the government to be involved in that: the government's mandate to ensure the public health. |
Yes, because government permits ensure that your food is prepared in a sanitary manner by some disinterested 19 year old....
Please, all that legislation is is feel good for hysterical types and an excuse to expand the bureaucracy to meet the needs of the expanding bureaucracy.
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Well, we can still walk down the sidewalk while dodging the morons riding their scooters and motorcycles on the sidewalk. Seems that the authorities are addressing misuse of the sidewalks incrementally.
You're fine with a counterfeit product being regulated, so why wouldn't you be fine with an edible product being regulated? |
There's no intellectual property behind sausage on a stick (unless you are selling "Armour" brand meat on a stick) Goodness gracious, we can tolerate kids opening a lemonade stand...we can have people selling processed cholesteroled crap on the sidewalks. If you were truly worried about your health you wouldn't buy that junk in the first place.
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| Next thing you know, people will be able to walk down the sidewalks without tripping, dodging, or getting run over! |
You mean like they already do 99.9% of the time?
"Oh my goodness, I'm walking through Insadong AND I TRIPPED!!!"
"What you mean you were on some acid???"
"No, I stumbled over some dude's DVD box. It was terrible."
I mean, at least deliberately stumble over it and not care so as to prove a point.
Okay, I see my own hypocrisy on this...but these dudes have been here since the dawn of time.
Not only that, apparently Insadong isn't so crowded as to prevent a bunch of people pulling off a flash mob.... |
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West Coast Tatterdemalion
Joined: 31 Aug 2010
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| Posted: Mon May 30, 2011 7:00 am Post subject: |
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Clinton: I've been to Thailand and Indonesia. I've dealt with the touts and such. I expect it there because they are poor 3rd world countries. However, I expect a supposedly 1st world country not to exhibit this behavior and then cry that it's their "culture."
Steelrails: I'm glad that you have no input on any decisons that affect the lives of others. I'm real glad about that one. |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Mon May 30, 2011 6:59 pm Post subject: |
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| West Coast Tatterdemalion wrote: |
Clinton: I've been to Thailand and Indonesia. I've dealt with the touts and such. I expect it there because they are poor 3rd world countries. However, I expect a supposedly 1st world country not to exhibit this behavior and then cry that it's their "culture."
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Yeah bulldoze these street vendors so everyone has to shop at some corporate crap. You do realize that Korean McWorld is the one who is behind this right?
Next thing they'll do is try and get the shijangs shut down so we have to all buy stuff at the Lotte Mart or E-Mart. Of course they'll use the same cry of "public safety" and "rule of law" to force that.
And why does a 1st world country have to follow an exact model? Can't a first world country have street stands? Or do we just want "one size fits all?" |
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isitts
Joined: 25 Dec 2008
Location: Korea
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| Posted: Mon May 30, 2011 8:53 pm Post subject: |
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| Steelrails wrote: |
| West Coast Tatterdemalion wrote: |
Clinton: I've been to Thailand and Indonesia. I've dealt with the touts and such. I expect it there because they are poor 3rd world countries. However, I expect a supposedly 1st world country not to exhibit this behavior and then cry that it's their "culture."
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Yeah bulldoze these street vendors so everyone has to shop at some corporate crap. You do realize that Korean McWorld is the one who is behind this right?
Next thing they'll do is try and get the shijangs shut down so we have to all buy stuff at the Lotte Mart or E-Mart. Of course they'll use the same cry of "public safety" and "rule of law" to force that.
And why does a 1st world country have to follow an exact model? Can't a first world country have street stands? Or do we just want "one size fits all?" |
Thank you, Steelrails. I was really surprised how many people just jumped on this bandwagon to oust the vendors without putting any thought into it. |
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Weigookin74
Joined: 26 Oct 2009
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| Posted: Mon May 30, 2011 9:40 pm Post subject: |
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| Steelrails wrote: |
Yeah, get rid of them and put them on the welfare dole! That's the way to solve the problem!
From what I understand life has and will go on with street vendors there.
Why is it so hard to let people just throw up a stand and sell stuff? Does everything need a permit?
Yeah I'm all for getting rid of the bootleg goods stand under a piracy law, but someone who is selling taffy? Someone who is selling crafts? Lighten up. You can still walk down the street, you aren't immobilized.
There are times for government regulation, I don't believe that its necessary here in certain cases. |
Freedom to start a business? Wow, what a thought! Wasn't that how the west was won? Isn't it now how the west is being lost? Apply for this permit, pay that tax, fill out that form, pay yet more tax, pay another fee to some bureaucrat. Bunch of bullshi.... Anyhow, let street vendors come back or set up places for them both in the west and in Korea. Charge a very cheap lot fee and let them sell to their heart's content. (No illegal or pirated stuff though.) |
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myenglishisno
Joined: 08 Mar 2011
Location: Geumchon
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| Posted: Mon May 30, 2011 10:12 pm Post subject: |
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| I just think the street vendors should be regulated. Their placement should be regulated as should the size of their booth. Right now it's pretty much anarchy and anyone can open up a stand anywhere. I've even seen them set up in the middle of an expressway during a traffic jam which I think is a bit nuts. |
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Captain Corea
Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Mon May 30, 2011 10:25 pm Post subject: |
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| Steelrails wrote: |
| Why is it so hard to let people just throw up a stand and sell stuff? Does everything need a permit? |
Certain things do need a permit. Selling food is a wonderful candidate for permit requirements. There's a very good reason for the government to be involved in that: the government's mandate to ensure the public health. |
My thoughts exactly. There needs to be more responsibility when it comes to selling food and such, and one of the first steps is a biz license.
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| Steelrails wrote: |
Yeah, get rid of them and put them on the welfare dole! That's the way to solve the problem!
From what I understand life has and will go on with street vendors there.
Why is it so hard to let people just throw up a stand and sell stuff? Does everything need a permit?
Yeah I'm all for getting rid of the bootleg goods stand under a piracy law, but someone who is selling taffy? Someone who is selling crafts? Lighten up. You can still walk down the street, you aren't immobilized.
There are times for government regulation, I don't believe that its necessary here in certain cases. |
Freedom to start a business? Wow, what a thought! Wasn't that how the west was won? Isn't it now how the west is being lost? Apply for this permit, pay that tax, fill out that form, pay yet more tax, pay another fee to some bureaucrat. Bunch of bullshi.... Anyhow, let street vendors come back or set up places for them both in the west and in Korea. Charge a very cheap lot fee and let them sell to their heart's content. (No illegal or pirated stuff though.) |
Or.. you could make milk in China. |
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jvalmer
Joined: 06 Jun 2003
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| Posted: Mon May 30, 2011 10:37 pm Post subject: |
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| Steelrails wrote: |
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Clinton: I've been to Thailand and Indonesia. I've dealt with the touts and such. I expect it there because they are poor 3rd world countries. However, I expect a supposedly 1st world country not to exhibit this behavior and then cry that it's their "culture."
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Yeah bulldoze these street vendors so everyone has to shop at some corporate crap. You do realize that Korean McWorld is the one who is behind this right?
Next thing they'll do is try and get the shijangs shut down so we have to all buy stuff at the Lotte Mart or E-Mart. Of course they'll use the same cry of "public safety" and "rule of law" to force that.
And why does a 1st world country have to follow an exact model? Can't a first world country have street stands? Or do we just want "one size fits all?" |
Thank you, Steelrails. I was really surprised how many people just jumped on this bandwagon to oust the vendors without putting any thought into it. |
All those stands, is what tells me I'm in Asia. I don't want stale, empty, suburban streets, I want them filled with activity. That's why I traveled half-way across the world, to escape the suburbia I was raised in.
I remember just under 10 years ago ajummas would lean over their counter and try to grab you, in an attempt to get you to eat at their establishment. You don't see that anymore, too bad...  |
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