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[Died By Bear]

[hostness]

[Menino80]

Shooters is terrible about forcing people out. I spent a night there from 8-1, drinking pitchers and being one of the only tables in the bar, and drinking like an English teacher with a 2pm start time. Once we decided to wait on a round, one of the waitresses said "Time to go, OK?"

Never went back.

[rchristo10]

[Died By Bear]

[nukeday]

I'll keep going. Never had or heard of a problem. I guess the owner is the overweight, balding guy, right? Like I said, I've been there maybe 40 times and I barely even notice the fellow.

Maybe you guys are legitimately annoying to the owner. I'd like to see you on youtube. As for the video, hell, looks like they were leaning against the register!

[Koreadays]

problem is, Itaewon doesn't have enough bars really when you think about it. so until we see 10 more bars similar in size and menu as 3 alley the owners will keep walking around the joint with a chip on their shoulder with the attitude if you don't like it here F O I couldn't care less. my bar is full so there...
but one day when new bars open up and younger generation get a bit older they won't stand for that crap and the owners will start going back to CUSTOMER SERVICE! at the moment most bars have no idea of the concept here. back home a bar like that would be dead and people would have moved on to places where they get treated with some respect.
then again.. it's 3 alley pub! I mean come on.. look at the people in there.
it's not a place you would take a girl for a drink! christ I wouldn't even take a friend there who is visiting seoul.

[nukeday]

[bigpun]

To clarify, these Korean guys weren't leaning over the bar near the register - they were facing the big screen, with their backs to the bar, they just happened to be in front of the order pick-up area. For what it is worth, when a white customer did this later on, the owner simply asked him politely to move (he explained he was waiting to pick up a beer, and there was no problem.)

To those who suggested that I go elsewhere, and don't give any support to this business, that's exactly what I am doing. I am not telling anyone that they should do the same thing. The reason I brought this up is to make people aware of the kind of situations that occur in this bar, because this kind of thing should be a consideration when you consider where you spend your money, shouldn't it? I don't expect to change people's minds, because obviously if something doesn't directly affect you then you may not be as inclined to act on it. That's the case even with my Korean friends who were with me that night.

I have seen and heard about other incidents like this, and I'm aware of the fact that this kind of reaction from the owner hasn't been limited to non-white customers. But the majority of the incidents I have heard about have been. This is from discussion with the conveners of the Pool and Darts Leagues, to name a few.

To jrock, the reason I call him a racist is because of a policy he has of not allowing Africans into his bar. Sure there is a mixed crowd there, including people of African descent. But I'm referring specifically to him barring people who "look African". Look around if you go in there again, and see for yourself. In the apartheid that already exists in Itaewon, Africans as well as South Asians are discriminated against at several places. It's not as bad as Thailand, but as someone who is not white, I'm speaking from personal experience when I say that these kind of incidents occur more often than you realize.

The incident I mentioned at the end of my first message, about the Trinidadian diplomats who were refused service at Sam Ryan's, is something that was going around a few months ago. They were told by the owner to leave, and when they asked why, his reponse was that he doesn't want drugs or prostitution in his establishment. There is a Facebook group, but that was based on heresay, and received mostly skepticism, kind of like the response here. I have been in contact with the newspapers and other sources back in Trinidad who confirmed that it did happen. I am trying to get in contact with the people who were involved, to confirm it firsthand. Is this racism? I mean, as a business owner, you have the right to refuse service to anyone, assuming that they have done something wrong and given you a good reason. I hate to say this, but the Africans don't have the best reputation in Itaewon (witness the removal of the pool table from Gecko's, but they aren't barred from that bar - as a group I mean.) Maybe something did happen, possibly repeatedly, at Sam Ryan's. But to ban an entire group of people, on the basis of their appearance and skin colour, is racist. I don't see how anyone can justify this.

So, as I said before, maybe you should consider all this when you consider where you spend your money. Or go back to the good ole' days where you could pick and choose who you want in your place of business.

[Died By Bear]

I don't know where I heard this, but thought it was pretty common for bars in Itaewon to bar Africans from entering. Something about them harassing the female customers. If they have such a policy, then it would be difficult for them to distinguish between diplomats and pimps in suits. Especially if they are racist. It's easy to assume we know the reasons behind the decisions these bar owners make either individually or collectively, but the end of the day, you can always take your money to someone who appreciates getting your business.

It's a good thing that people are exposing this guy though. But if you think it's going to make an impact on his business, you probably need to re-examine that one. Still, his rep needs to be exposed a bit. Maybe he will make a youtube video of his own Then this thread could really get interesting.

[West Coast Tatterdemalion]

I wonder what would happen if a few members of Nuestra Familia entered his fine establishment. I'd really like to see what he'd do in that situation

[Stout]

He'd probably sniff out that they weren't pushovers and kiss their behinds.

[Died By Bear]

I definitely don't think Koreans are pushovers - dad told me about these Korean guys in Vietnam that would make the Mexican gangs cringe or smile. Koreans can be as nasty and ruthless as anyone else. My oldest uncle served during the Korean war and he said it was where he learned just how cheap life can be in this messed up world.

edit:
It's easy to forget that we live in massively different world than our fathers and grandfathers did. There was a huge loss of life on this peninsula in the last 100 years.

[Stout]

If he tried to pull the same stuff on the locals in Italy he'd be six deep.

[hostness]