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Kheldar
Joined: 26 Jun 2008
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 Posted: Tue May 31, 2011 10:47 pm Post subject: |
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We predict the future by studying history. Did you miss that lesson in school too? History shows us that there have been many viruses, trojan horses, and worms on Windows. Therefore, by looking at the past, virus companies see the need to continue developing vaccines for Windows.
Meanwhile, most big name antivirus makers have sold very few copies of their programs on the Mac platform. In fact, there is so little money to be made (why would Mac users waste money on this?) that several antivirus makers have abandoned software for the Mac platform as their software is essentially obsolete. Even Symantec stopped making a Mac version for a few years.
And finally, why do you think Apple would suggest that Mac users get an antivirus software? The answer is simple and it's the reason this whole thread started. There are trojan horses, and if Apple has suggested that all users run antivirus software and the users don't, then Apple does not need to help those users when they bring their trojan horse infected computer to the Apple Center, as Apple has already instructed those users to run some software to prevent trojan horses.
So, in the end, Apple was right to deny service to these people because, according to the link you found, Apple had already warned users that malware was possible and that users should do something to prevent it.
Congratulations, you just made the argument needed to prove Apple did the right thing in denying service to these people since the people had already been warned. |
No, our discussion was you stating there are no viruses on Macs and I proved to you there has been. Apple has since released updates, much like Windows does when there is a security breach, but that doesn't mean a future virus or other malware could not be developed. All your posts make it sound like Apple has done this superb job of defeating viruses since only an occasional trojan horse made its way in.
As proven earlier, there have been viruses on Macs in the past, there will be in the future, and the only reason there hasn't been more is because hackers don't waste their time with the few Macs that are in existence. It has nothing to do with Macs powers to ward off viruses which is what this whole discussion board is about. |
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crescent
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
Location: yes.
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| Posted: Tue May 31, 2011 11:15 pm Post subject: |
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| Kheldar wrote: |
No, our discussion was you stating there are no viruses on Macs and I proved to you there has been. Apple has since released updates, much like Windows does when there is a security breach, but that doesn't mean a future virus or other malware could not be developed. All your posts make it sound like Apple has done this superb job of defeating viruses since only an occasional trojan horse made its way in.
As proven earlier, there have been viruses on Macs in the past, there will be in the future, and the only reason there hasn't been more is because hackers don't waste their time with the few Macs that are in existence. It has nothing to do with Macs powers to ward off viruses which is what this whole discussion board is about. |
Let's take a good look at this most recent post of yours. You open with a statement that summarizes two people arguing from different points in time. How exactly do you intend to continue that?
Next, you claim to have proven a virus existed despite the fact that it was actually not a virus, but an experiment that was never actually released into the wild, and is still being used to this day, five years later by an AV company trying to sell more product. And you believe them.
Then, you conjure up the future, saying there will be more Mac viruses based on the incorrect assertion that in the past, someone wrote a malicious, unreleased code that had to be knowingly installed on computers for it to actually work. By this logic, i suppose based on a short story I wrote in grade 7, I will, in the future be a mad scientist. It is definitely possible, isn't it? I explained exactly how it could be done, and also there have been other mad scientists in the past (even though they have not actually done anything in the real world)... and also Lithium Hydroxide can be made cheaply in large quantities and systematically used on people.
Next, you claim that the only reason there haven't been more than the one which you erroneously claimed to be a virus, is because it is a waste of time on the few macs in existence. Yet, the very piece of malicious code you are using as an example was actually written SPECIFICALLY to bring the spotlight on little the guy OSX in being hard to infect. Macs have gained more than 10% of the market, and are still gaining. The notoriety for releasing a Mac virus would be like sweet nectar for people like you who just can't stop themselves from digging and digging and digging.
Anyway... still waiting for that link from the Apple site. You weren't pulling my leg, were you? Want a job at Symantec? |
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Chokse
Joined: 22 May 2009
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| Posted: Tue May 31, 2011 11:50 pm Post subject: |
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Kheldar, you really don't seem to be able to grasp the message conveyed within sentences.
You seem to fall back to claiming the recent trojan horse was in fact a virus, when according to all definitions of computer viruses (other than the definition you created) it is not a virus.
If that is not what you meant, then you are now claiming that an experimental virus over 5 years ago that was never actually released and was never able to infect a single computer outside of doing so theoretically, is a "virus". It isn't. A theory does not a virus make.
Your arguments are becoming less cogent the more you post. Dig, dig, dig man. You're getting pretty deep. |
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NYC_Gal 2.0
Joined: 10 Dec 2010
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| Posted: Wed Jun 01, 2011 12:14 am Post subject: |
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You guys are cute.
In a nutshell:
Yes, there are viruses, trojan horses, malware, etc that can affect mac. There are fewer out there than for pc NOW, but as more and more people buy mac computers, there will be more and more people developing these lovely little destructive programs.
Can we all shake hands and go for ice cream now? I want rainbow sprinkles. |
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Chokse
Joined: 22 May 2009
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| Posted: Wed Jun 01, 2011 12:21 am Post subject: |
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| Sorry NYC Gal, but according to Kheldar there are only about 100 Macs in the world and it's doubtful there will ever be more. So, I guess there won't be more people developing anything. Again, this is all in the "World According To Kheldar". |
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NYC_Gal 2.0
Joined: 10 Dec 2010
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| Posted: Wed Jun 01, 2011 5:18 am Post subject: |
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| I kind of still want the ice cream, though... |
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Chokse
Joined: 22 May 2009
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| Posted: Wed Jun 01, 2011 6:01 am Post subject: |
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| Well, you deserve an ice cream. You're one of only 100 people in the world who owns a Mac. That makes you special and you deserve an ice cream for that! |
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NYC_Gal 2.0
Joined: 10 Dec 2010
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| Posted: Wed Jun 01, 2011 6:03 am Post subject: |
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| Do I get a double scoop if I have 2? |
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Kheldar
Joined: 26 Jun 2008
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| Posted: Wed Jun 01, 2011 6:04 am Post subject: |
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| NYC_Gal 2.0 wrote: |
| Do I get a double scoop if I have 2? |
Yes, because you're one of the few Mac owners that have some common sense. |
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Chokse
Joined: 22 May 2009
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| Posted: Wed Jun 01, 2011 6:44 am Post subject: |
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| Don't be jealous Kheldar. |
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crescent
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
Location: yes.
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| Posted: Wed Jun 01, 2011 1:31 pm Post subject: |
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| Ouch. |
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gqsupersport
Joined: 30 Dec 2010
Location: Seohyun, Bundang
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| Posted: Tue Jun 14, 2011 1:42 am Post subject: |
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Is it just me? Why is everyone always going on about viruses and whatnot? I've been a PC user since 1996 and a Mac user since 2001 (didn't switch over, used both). I have never used an antivirus program free or otherwise in my entire life, ever. I have also never gotten a virus in my entire life, ever. I am not a conservative user or anything. I use torrents, download pirated software every now and then, and download movies and music by the gigabytes. I have visited porn sites and I have used the worst P2P programs such as Kazaa and Limewire. The closest I've come to using an antivirus software is Windows Defender in Win7. I dunno wtf you guys are doing to get viruses but either you're extremely high profile and are being targeted or being really really stupid in your choices of what to download and what to install (or opening those Viagra emails). It makes me sad to see $100+ antivirus software at Best Buy and it makes me sadder when my friend's comp has notifications pop up from his taskbar every 5 minutes from his "free antivirus program".
I think this whole virus thing is a scam. AV companies are throwing random viruses out there to scare stupid people into buying AV software. Anyone with a brain that functions more than 2 hours a day can figure out that you aren't the 100,000th visitor. |
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Chokse
Joined: 22 May 2009
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| Posted: Tue Jun 14, 2011 7:21 am Post subject: |
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Lots of people have viruses but don't know they have them. Often, the viruses run hidden in the background and the user is unaware. The virus that NK sent to take over the computers brought to Nonghyup Bank were on the computers for over 9 months and no one knew. They were just sitting there collecting login information until the Norks had enough data to use to shut down the bank's servers.
And, the guy whose computer ended up launching the attack was some IT guy from IBM.
Who knows? You might have had a virus and just didn't know it was there. Not saying you did, but there are many out there who have and were never aware of it. |
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spanky1off
Joined: 21 Aug 2006
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| Posted: Tue Jun 14, 2011 8:39 am Post subject: |
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i dont know anything about this argument but my wife just scanned her mac after she got some popups. the scanner found quite abit of malware. so i just wondered how serious this is? i know pc viruses can be pretty harmful in some cases. can malware be as bad? she was just trying to find pictures for use in her art classes and the website must have downloaded it...is that possible? just want to try to avoid doing the same mistake in future.
also do the virus/malware scanners take care of these relatively efficiently?
i used to just reformat my pc when ever i picked up a seemingly unremoveable one up. i just wondered whats the best methods for dealing with this kind of situation on macs. |
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Chokse
Joined: 22 May 2009
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| Posted: Tue Jun 14, 2011 5:11 pm Post subject: |
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Which program was she using to scan for viruses? Most of the Mac anti-virus apps use a database that is filled with both PC an Mac threats. As you know, there are some trojan horses out there that will affect the Mac, but there are tens (if not hundreds) of thousands of threats for the PC.
In all likelihood, the app she was running found viruses or malware that affect the PC and not the Mac. These apps check for PC viruses because many Mac users run Windows via Bootcamp or Parallels/Fusion.
See if it gives you names of the "malware" it found and then run a Google search to see what it is. My bet is that it's a PC only malware that was in something she downloaded. |
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