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chachee99

Joined: 20 Oct 2004 Location: Seoul Korea
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Posted: Thu Jun 02, 2011 7:16 am Post subject: |
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| Go scuba diving around the world. |
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PatrickGHBusan
Joined: 24 Jun 2008 Location: Busan (1997-2008) Canada 2008 -
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Posted: Thu Jun 02, 2011 7:43 am Post subject: |
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OP basically it all depends on you and on what you do in Korea (ie what you put into your job and life there).
The world out of the university cocoon is hard but it is also rewarding. What the world will not do however is hand you anything without effort on your part but I am sure you know that already.
You have, I assume, an undergrad Poli Sci degree. Well thats a pretty useless degree as far as employment is concerned unless you accumulate other qualifications and professional experience to compliment it. You could also re-enter the conforting cocoon of education and go for a MA and then PhD.
Now as far as what can Korea do for you? It can lead you to all sorts of interesting job opportunities in teaching or in other fields. Here is the kicker however: you will need come up with a plan and try to build on it and stick to it.
Some people used their Korean experience to get private sector or public sector jobs back in their own countries. This will happen if you accumulate referenced experience AND improve yourself while you stay in Korea.
That can mean buckling down and learning the language. Meeting people and networking to get a feel for whats out there professionally. Then do your homework and find employers that will value your experience and qualifications as well as your experience abroad.
This can take more than one year however....
One thing is dead certain: you sit on your hands playing bingo with your students while in Korea and head to the bar on each weekend while staying put professionally and what you will have done is waste a year or more in professional terms.
Another goal can be to save money to go back to school. That can be a way Korea pays off for you as well.
Bascially you need to figure out WHAT you want to do as a job and then PLAN and WORK towards getting there. That will help you focus your activities and provide you with extra motivation to do things.
All up to you basically.
I came to Korea on a sabbatical from my full time teaching position in Canada. I was going to stay for a year or two and that turned into 11 years. In my time in Korea I found all sorts of options for careers and jobs and finally moved out of teaching in 2008 and into public sector work for my home country's government. I also started and still manage a consulting agency that was based in Korea and is now based in Canada.
While in Korea I also became fluent in Korean and acquired a fair understanding of Korean culture as well as other asian cultures. That paid off handsomely as my consulting grew out of this.
As I worked in Korea and networked I also got to hear about all sorts of jobs that were not always advertised. I also took online courses as well as in class courses over the years to improve myself (management certificates, project management courses, language classes, some updates on classroom management, pedagogy and andragogy....).
I know dozens of people who did just as well, some of them on this very board. Some of the people I met in Korea ended up teaching at Universities after completing their PhDs in Asian studies. You can bet your ass their overseas experience and language acquisition paid off when it came to getting into a Doctoral program and then into a professor position.
Others have moved on to Foreign Affairs departments, companies, NGOs, teaching certification..
All of them shared a common trait: they put effort into what they did and got something out of it.
Good luck OP! |
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brittlowe
Joined: 24 May 2011
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Posted: Thu Jun 02, 2011 12:03 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks for the advice and encouragement. I do want to work for an NGO or some foreign affairs organization. I was looking for someone who's real experience is that there is life after Korea that does not consist solely of a teaching career- as I did not waste 4 years and $$$$$ in undergrad wanting to end up an esl teacher for life and resorting to country hopping.
I actually have a Basic Korean course starting next week, and with any luck, I will be able to get a decent handle on the language so that it may help me in my international relations career. |
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Louis VI
Joined: 05 Jul 2010 Location: In my Kingdom
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Posted: Thu Jun 02, 2011 1:35 pm Post subject: |
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| ... resorting to country hopping. |
What a life!
4 years in South Korea
1 year in Taiwan
1 year in Vietnam
6 months in China
1 year in Chile
1 year in Buenos Aires
3 months in Ecuador
2 years in Turkey
6 months in Spain
1 year in Prague
1 year in Russia
2 years in Indonesia
6 months in Thailand
1 year in Egypt
One can spend a quarter century living such a life as an English language teacher in all these places as they hire often enough.
There are days when I think 'resorting' to country hopping would be a blessing. |
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English Matt

Joined: 12 Oct 2008
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Posted: Thu Jun 02, 2011 3:08 pm Post subject: |
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This is the scariest thing.
I have done a lot to improve my employability while here, but is it enough? Despite my calming avatar, I'm really nervous about it. I hope I didn't spend four years of my life here just to blow it and have to come back. |
Judging by what you told me and what you've said on here, I'm sure you'll be more than fine. |
I was bricking it too before I left Korea.....convinced that I would never be able to find a job that could provide me with as good a quality of life as TEFL in Korea. It's almost a year since I left Korea and I am getting job offers for 1600-2000 EUR net per month here in Berlin. It's never as difficult as you imagine. After 2 years of reading Dave's I'd almost allowed myself to be brainwashed into thinking that the world outside of TEFL and Korea was an economic wasteland, with 0 opportunities.....not true. |
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morrisonhotel
Joined: 18 Jul 2009 Location: Gyeonggi-do
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Posted: Thu Jun 02, 2011 3:11 pm Post subject: |
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| brittlowe wrote: |
| Thanks for the advice and encouragement. I do want to work for an NGO or some foreign affairs organization. I was looking for someone who's real experience is that there is life after Korea that does not consist solely of a teaching career- as I did not waste 4 years and $$$$$ in undergrad wanting to end up an esl teacher for life and resorting to country hopping. |
Unless your ultimate goal is to work in foreign relations with Korea, then don't focus so much on learning Korean. For the large NGOs who have field offices in Asia (if Asian affairs is your thing), most of them require English and the local language. Most field offices are in Hong Kong, Japan, and Thailand. Hong Kong would be out as you're not a qualified teacher. Consider Japan or Thailand rather than Korea unless Korean affairs is what interests you. So, realistically, you should be concentrating on Cantonese/Mandarin, Japanese, or Thai.
Simply put, there are very few large NGOs based in Korea. Most are small scale and you will have a very difficult time getting a proper, decently paid NGO job here. Case in point, a NGO based here was looking for an international affairs officer (they were specifically looking for a foreigner) with three years experience. How much were they offering? 1.5m a month. Moreover, very few of them actually take on English speaking foreigners. Unless you are willing to spend a good few years becoming fluent in Korean, then your opportunities are limited. Are you willing to sacrifice a few years learning Korean to be only in a position where you are likely only able to get a position working in a Korea/Korean based area?
If you're serious about moving to Korea and want to gain some experience, then only live in Seoul. There are few NGOs that would look for English speaking foreigners for volunteering/internships outside of Seoul that would actually benefit your CV. There are, as far as I'm aware, no major NGOs with offices outside of Seoul (except the UNAPCICT but you would need to commit to interning full-time). My advice to you would be to look for a hagwon job in Seoul (ideally in either the Jong-ro or Gangnam areas as these are the areas where most major NGOs are based), and use your mornings for interning.
To put the above in context: I live outside Seoul. I have spent every weekend for 19 months commuting to Seoul to volunteer and intern. It is not fun giving up every weekend. That is what you'll have to do if you want to live outside Seoul and show commitment to where you are volunteering/interning. There are some opportunities out there but a lot of them won't consider you if you can't get to their office during the week. Luckily, I've managed to find two NGOs that I've been volunteering in for near enough 19 months that would allow me to volunteer on weekends and one law firm that has allowed me to intern on Saturday mornings for the past 6 months or so. |
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morrisonhotel
Joined: 18 Jul 2009 Location: Gyeonggi-do
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Posted: Thu Jun 02, 2011 3:13 pm Post subject: |
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| English Matt wrote: |
| morrisonhotel wrote: |
| Draz wrote: |
This is the scariest thing.
I have done a lot to improve my employability while here, but is it enough? Despite my calming avatar, I'm really nervous about it. I hope I didn't spend four years of my life here just to blow it and have to come back. |
Judging by what you told me and what you've said on here, I'm sure you'll be more than fine. |
I was bricking it too before I left Korea.....convinced that I would never be able to find a job that could provide me with as good a quality of life as TEFL in Korea. It's almost a year since I left Korea and I am getting job offers for 1600-2000 EUR net per month here in Berlin. It's never as difficult as you imagine. After 2 years of reading Dave's I'd almost allowed myself to be brainwashed into thinking that the world outside of TEFL and Korea was an economic wasteland, with 0 opportunities.....not true. |
Always good to here. Are you working for NGOs as you were hoping to do? |
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nate1983
Joined: 30 Mar 2008
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Posted: Thu Jun 02, 2011 5:58 pm Post subject: |
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| PatrickGHBusan wrote: |
OP basically it all depends on you and on what you do in Korea (ie what you put into your job and life there).
All of them shared a common trait: they put effort into what they did and got something out of it.
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Just to reiterate what Patrick said (pretty much everything he wrote was good), is that you should do something to improve yourself and your future prospects beyond just teaching. If you want to be a career teacher, that's different, but plan on getting an advanced degree later because it'll get tougher and tougher to land good jobs without one. Buckling down and learning Korean to a fairly advanced level is one way, looking into starting your own business or website (don't know how? learn) is another, or get involved with some people or organizations that would help you down the road. Maybe try to get an internship (I emailed some small consulting firm in Thailand a few years ago and they let me spend a few weeks there) or hell, even volunteer to help out at a bar and try to learn from the owner what it's like to start your own business. I started to get fairly serious about studying Korean within a few months of my arrival, and although that wasn't my motivation at the time it actually led (both indirectly and directly) to some job opportunities outside of ESL teaching. Just do something to set yourself apart. Get some skills that you can market later. |
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sallymonster

Joined: 06 Feb 2010 Location: Seattle area
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Posted: Thu Jun 02, 2011 6:31 pm Post subject: |
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I want to become an event planner/activities coordinator after returning to the US. I started doing this as a hobby here in Korea. Maybe I'll plan PR events for a company/charity, or maybe I'll organize activities and outings at a university or retirement home, or maybe eventually I'll start my own business as some kind of events consultant.
However, I have 0 connections in this field so far, and my only experience is unverifiable (I organize a large Meetup/Facebook group here in Korea), so we'll see what happens. I'm seriously worried that the US economy will never recover and that competition for decent jobs will continue to be insane. God knows I'll probably end up back in Korea, forced to settle with a career in teaching English, unable to make a career out of my real passion. |
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Draz

Joined: 27 Jun 2007 Location: Land of Morning Clam
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Posted: Thu Jun 02, 2011 10:44 pm Post subject: |
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I was bricking it too before I left Korea.....convinced that I would never be able to find a job that could provide me with as good a quality of life as TEFL in Korea. It's almost a year since I left Korea and I am getting job offers for 1600-2000 EUR net per month here in Berlin. It's never as difficult as you imagine. After 2 years of reading Dave's I'd almost allowed myself to be brainwashed into thinking that the world outside of TEFL and Korea was an economic wasteland, with 0 opportunities.....not true. |
Good to hear you're doing well in Berlin.
How many of those jobs are open to non-EU citizens? That's the main thing I'm freaking out about. Visa sponsorship. |
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xCustomx

Joined: 06 Jan 2006
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Posted: Fri Jun 03, 2011 7:46 pm Post subject: |
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| I saved up a lot of cash during my 5 years in Korea and have been using that to put myself through school and take prerequisites for dental school. I'm applying next year and will hopefully get my acceptance in December '12. I loved teaching, but I couldn't see myself doing it in my 30s and beyond. I'm just starting to look at what it would take to become a dentist and practice in Europe or Asia, with a return to Korea definitely possible. |
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nstick13
Joined: 02 Aug 2009
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Posted: Fri Jun 03, 2011 10:26 pm Post subject: |
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To the OP:
I don't know if you've researched the Foreign Service (embassy work), but you may be interested in that. I have a similar degree also from a Big 10 school, and in college decided I may want to do the Foreign Service route. I'm taking the test here in Seoul in October.
In regards to that, obviously any special skills you can put down help. One of the best things you can do to prepare for the test is read your little toosh off. News, books, blogs (that are relevant)--anything. And the test includes a lot of general knowledge type stuff (the example test on their site has a question about the architect that designed the Sears Tower...)
Also, the State Dept. considers Korean a "critical" language, so knowing the language if you pass the test earns you a couple more official points. I'm working on learning that at an intermediate level, and hoping to brush up on my Arabic (super-critical; more points). So, if you're interested in pursuing that at all, learning the language is worthwhile. |
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jamal0000
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Posted: Sat Jun 04, 2011 3:49 am Post subject: |
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| I'm doing professional bullriding, seriously |
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