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The Libyan War
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Kuros



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PostPosted: Fri Jun 03, 2011 11:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

bucheon bum wrote:
mises wrote:
It's supposed to be mission creep not mission race:

http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/151191-white-house-suggests-regime-change-is-goal-of-libya-mission?page=1
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The White House suggested Tuesday the mission in Libya is one of regime change, despite emphatic statements from President Obama and military brass that the goal is not to remove Moammar Gadhafi from power.

According to a White House readout of a Monday night call between Obama and Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan, the two leaders "underscored their shared commitment to the goal of helping provide the Libyan people an opportunity to transform their country, by installing a democratic system that respects the people�s will."

The term "installing" suggests the goal of regime change.


Yes. That will require ground troops.


Mises, you're intelligent. You really don't think Obama will send in ground troops to remove Qadhafi do you?


That post was March 22nd. Still no ground troops. I wish Obama would tie up the legalities regarding this war, but he deserves commendation for not putting boots on the ground.
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jodemas2



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PostPosted: Sat Jun 04, 2011 6:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ten reasons why the U.S. war in Libya is a CIA operation

The U.S.-led attack on Libya is an American operation of the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA), planned and initiated long before any �protests� started in Libya this February.

Under the guise of �protecting innocent civilians,� the U.S. military, Africom, NATO, and the United Nations are now bombing Libya, raining destruction upon the Libyan economic and military infrastructure and killing untold numbers of innocent Africans. Here are just 10 of the many obvious reasons why this so-called �spontaneous� protest was from beginning to end another CIA operation.

1. The United States' motives are suspect. The �humanitarian� concern expressed by the American government has not taken long to evaporate. The claim that Col. Muammar Gadhafi was �slaughtering his own people� cannot be substantiated by any independent evidence, and no �journalists� are even asking for evidence. The White House's policy advisor and Israeli lobby official Dennis Ross claimed that �up to 100,000 people could be massacred, and everyone would blame us for it.� Ross has produced no proof of a massacre�and Defense Secretary Robert Gates and Admiral Mike Mullen both confirmed, �We've seen no confirmation whatsoever.� Russian military has been monitoring the unrest via satellite from the very beginning, and they say that the claimed �slaughter� is imaginary. CIA √

2. The world media have shown a shocking lack of curiosity. Just as with the U.S. debacle in Iraq and Afghanistan, the New York Times leads a coordinated campaign of propaganda, rumor-mongering, and the demonization of Muammar Gadhafi...

3. The �rebels� are Al-Qaeda.
When Col. Gadhafi first claimed that the rebels were members of Al-Qaeda, no one believed him. But according to a 2007 report from the Combating Terrorism Center at West Point titled �Al-Qa'ida's Foreign Fighters In Iraq,� eastern Libya�the very center of the current uprising�is a well-known Al-Qaeda stronghold...

4. Rebel �leaders� are CIA agents. The �rebel� leader, a man named Khalifa Hifter, left the Libyan government and set up his own militia financed by the CIA...

5. The Libyan uprising is not �spontaneous.� ...But an unusually large number of YOUTUBE videos and TWITTER messages have emerged that are suspiciously similar and seem to be a product of the Pentagon's recently uncovered project to develop software that allows it to secretly manipulate social media sites to influence Internet conversations and spread propaganda....

6a. Whites are desperate for Libyan oil. America and Europe are dependent on the type of oil that is only found in Libya...

6b. New oil infrastructure already in place. Only days after the �spontaneous� protests the �rebels,� who were mostly seen in grainy cell phone videos chanting slogans and waving banners, had organized themselves into a sophisticated corporate entity and announced their formation and launching of the �Libyan Oil Company�...

7. CIA history in Libya. The CIA has a LONG documented history of attempts to overthrow Col. Gadhafi...

8. Libyan invasion planned prior to 9/11. In a 2007 filmed interview, 4-star United States Army Gen. Wesley Clark discussed a Pentagon memo under Donald Rumsfeld that, in his words, �describes how we're going to take out seven countries in five years, starting with Iraq, and then Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Somalia, Sudan and, finishing off, Iran.� CIA √

9. The U.S. companies in Libya are invisible...


10. Rape is charged.
A distraught, English-speaking, Arab woman fortuitously finds her way from days of gang rape by Gadhafi's soldiers into the only hotel in Tripoli where foreign journalists are encamped (apparently dropped off by her tormentors) where she reports of her ordeal to the gathered media who immediately, unquestioningly, broadcast the brutal crime to the world as proven fact...
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Menino80



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PostPosted: Sat Jun 04, 2011 6:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

top ten reasons why X is Y

1. X is Y

2. Z happened b/c X is Y

3. X has been having a lot of Y.

4. R resembles P, which everyone knows is X (and Y!)

5. Q: this is because X has been doing Y (since the 1980s!!!!)

logic fail
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Junior



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PostPosted: Sat Jun 04, 2011 6:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

jodemas2 wrote:
2. The world media have shown a shocking lack of curiosity. ...


Imagine if Israel was doing the bombing? Rolling Eyes
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Menino80



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PostPosted: Sat Jun 04, 2011 7:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Junior wrote:
jodemas2 wrote:
2. The world media have shown a shocking lack of curiosity. ...


Imagine if Israel was doing the bombing? Rolling Eyes


They'd be at war right now. God forbid history, culture and politics enter into military decisions.
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jodemas2



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PostPosted: Sat Jun 04, 2011 7:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Junior wrote:
jodemas2 wrote:
2. The world media have shown a shocking lack of curiosity. ...


Imagine if Israel was doing the bombing? Rolling Eyes

That lack of curiosity may not last too long:

Puppet Regime in Benghazi Would Recognize Zionist Entity

Quote:
The French Zionist "BHL" Bernard Henri Levy, responsible for misleading Jewish-Hungarian, paedophile-sympathizer and CIA-stooge Sarkozy into believing that occupying Libya would be a "cake walk", said he delivered a message on Thursday from Libyan terrorist rats in Benghazi to the Zionist premier saying that they would seek diplomatic ties with Israhell if they came to power.
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Junior



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PostPosted: Sat Jun 04, 2011 8:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

jodemas2 wrote:
Junior wrote:
jodemas2 wrote:
2. The world media have shown a shocking lack of curiosity. ...


Imagine if Israel was doing the bombing? Rolling Eyes

That lack of curiosity may not last too long:

Puppet Regime in Benghazi Would Recognize Zionist Entity

Quote:
The French Zionist "BHL" Bernard Henri Levy, responsible for misleading Jewish-Hungarian, paedophile-sympathizer and CIA-stooge Sarkozy into believing that occupying Libya would be a "cake walk", said he delivered a message on Thursday from Libyan terrorist rats in Benghazi to the Zionist premier saying that they would seek diplomatic ties with Israhell if they came to power.


No, Israel is not responsible for what has happened in Libya.

No, racist hate websites averaging 2 typos per sentence are not woth a even a millisecond of inspection.

You guys are really, really, nuts.

End of conversation, I'm leaving this thread and not returning. Bye.
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Butterfly



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PostPosted: Sat Jun 04, 2011 10:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jodemas2 wrote:
Ten reasons why the U.S. war in Libya is a CIA operation.


Is that real or a spoof? Looks like the kind of thing you'd see on The Onion.
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jodemas2



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PostPosted: Sun Jun 05, 2011 7:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Butterfly wrote:
jodemas2 wrote:
Ten reasons why the U.S. war in Libya is a CIA operation.


Is that real or a spoof? Looks like the kind of thing you'd see on The Onion.

Whatever you do, don't dare read it to find out. Rolling Eyes
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Menino80



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PostPosted: Sun Jun 05, 2011 8:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

jodemas2 wrote:
Butterfly wrote:
jodemas2 wrote:
Ten reasons why the U.S. war in Libya is a CIA operation.


Is that real or a spoof? Looks like the kind of thing you'd see on The Onion.

Whatever you do, don't dare read it to find out. Rolling Eyes


Your argument is bunk. I read it, and it was terrible. No evidence whatsoever. that seems to be your (and your socks') MO.
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jodemas2



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PostPosted: Sun Jun 05, 2011 9:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Menino80 wrote:
jodemas2 wrote:
Butterfly wrote:
jodemas2 wrote:
Ten reasons why the U.S. war in Libya is a CIA operation.


Is that real or a spoof? Looks like the kind of thing you'd see on The Onion.

Whatever you do, don't dare read it to find out. Rolling Eyes


Your argument is bunk. I read it, and it was terrible. No evidence whatsoever. that seems to be your (and your socks') MO.

Quit trolling.

The Dept. of Defense news transcript is not evidence?
The 2007 West Point Report is not evidence?

HAHAHAHAHA!

OK, enough time wasted feeding the troll who never documents anything he posts, then he criticizes others. Rolling Eyes
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jodemas2



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 06, 2011 9:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Watch it for yourself. Of course, this is only caught on film, so according to some it is not really "evidence." Rolling Eyes

Libyan NATO rebels force Libyan army to eat raw dog meat
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Menino80



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 06, 2011 12:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jodemas2 wrote:
Watch it for yourself. Of course, this is only caught on film, so according to some it is not really "evidence." Rolling Eyes

Libyan NATO rebels force Libyan army to eat raw dog meat


What does this prove?
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jodemas2



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PostPosted: Fri Jun 10, 2011 6:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fair warning: it's a pdf!

Kucinich proposes Libya Peace Plan

    Highlights:
    1. Ceasefire
    2. Unfettered Humanitarian Access
    3. Dialogue
    4. Full Compliance with Pertinent U.N. Security Council Resolutions
    5. Reparations for Civilians Killed or Injured and Their Families
    6. Reforming the Current Government Structure Reparations for
      Civilians Killed or Injured and Their Families
    7. Timeline for Reform
    8. Repatriation of Frozen Assets
    9. Natural Resources
    10. Protecting and Upholding the Rights of all Libyan Citizens
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 13, 2011 3:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jodemas2 wrote:
Junior wrote:
jodemas2 wrote:
2. The world media have shown a shocking lack of curiosity. ...


Imagine if Israel was doing the bombing? Rolling Eyes

That lack of curiosity may not last too long:

Puppet Regime in Benghazi Would Recognize Zionist Entity

Quote:
The French Zionist "BHL" Bernard Henri Levy, responsible for misleading Jewish-Hungarian, paedophile-sympathizer and CIA-stooge Sarkozy into believing that occupying Libya would be a "cake walk", said he delivered a message on Thursday from Libyan terrorist rats in Benghazi to the Zionist premier saying that they would seek diplomatic ties with Israhell if they came to power.



I really hate to say this, but what kind of civil discussion is possible if you quote essentially vitriolic propaganda? It's not news when what you're quoting calls Israel- Israhell, and it attacks Sarkozy for being part Jewish. This pushes forward the idea that to be Jewish is to be evil. This propaganda with clear bigotry crosses the line.

'Rico
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