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soupsandwich
Joined: 20 May 2011
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 Posted: Mon Jun 06, 2011 1:13 pm Post subject: June 6 |
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Noboby cared to mention anything about June 6, 1944 eh?
You guys stay classy.
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
Location: Earth, Solar System
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| Posted: Mon Jun 06, 2011 4:08 pm Post subject: |
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June 6th, the day America finally decided to stop dying in moderate numbers after the Soviets had been sending hundreds of thousands to die for the last 3 years.
D-Day was a remarkable feat and our soldiers were heroes and Hitler was bad and all that, but seriously we need to get over ourselves. What am I supposed to do, thank a veteran? Fine, I'll thank a Chinese or a Soviet one because it was they who did the bulk of the dying. Heck, I'd even take one of Churchill's "few" over us.
How a nation that got to just sit around and build a bunch of stuff thanks to it being unmolested due to the Atlantic and Pacific can brag about its war record is beyond me. |
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soupsandwich
Joined: 20 May 2011
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| Posted: Mon Jun 06, 2011 4:17 pm Post subject: |
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| June 6th, the day America finally decided to stop dying in moderate numbers after the Soviets had been sending hundreds of thousands to die for the last 3 years. |
Dammed if we do..dammed if we don't.
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| D-Day was a remarkable feat and our soldiers were heroes and Hitler was bad and all that, but seriously we need to get over ourselves. What am I supposed to do, thank a veteran? Fine, I'll thank a Chinese or a Soviet one because it was they who did the bulk of the dying. Heck, I'd even take one of Churchill's "few" over us. |
Well, if that is where your heart is...than go be your true self.
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| How a nation that got to just sit around and build a bunch of stuff thanks to it being unmolested due to the Atlantic and Pacific can brag about its war record is beyond me. |
How anyone could simply assume that D-Day revolves around American soldiers is beyond me. OH...and America was already engaged in a different war in the Pacific...in case you didn't know.
So, are you saying that it was only American forces on that day? Do I understand you correctly? Do you need a history lesson?
British
French
Australian
New Zealand
Belgium
Netherlands
Dutch (?)
Candian
All of those countries sent in troops...not just Americans.
Perhaps it is YOU who needs to get over yourself?
People died to free Eurpoe that day.
Shame on you for being an ass....but hey, this is Dave's.....
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caniff
Joined: 03 Feb 2004
Location: All over the map
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| Posted: Mon Jun 06, 2011 4:36 pm Post subject: |
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| soupsandwich wrote: |
Shame on you for being an ass....but hey, this is Dave's.....
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Stay classy. |
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Patrick Bateman
Joined: 21 Apr 2009
Location: Lost in Translation
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| Posted: Mon Jun 06, 2011 5:31 pm Post subject: Re: June 6 |
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| soupsandwich wrote: |
Noboby cared to mention anything about June 6, 1944 eh?
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You have a very broad conception of "Current Events."
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June 6th, the day America finally decided to stop dying in moderate numbers after the Soviets had been sending hundreds of thousands to die for the last 3 years. |
I don't think that that's a fair portrait of the situation.
I'd say it was (much) more on the British than the Americans. |
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Underwaterbob
Joined: 08 Jan 2005
Location: In Cognito
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| Posted: Mon Jun 06, 2011 5:33 pm Post subject: |
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I'm Canadian. We celebrate (remember?) November 11th: the day world war 1 ended.
Here it's pepero day.
Stay classy Korea. |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
Location: Earth, Solar System
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| Posted: Mon Jun 06, 2011 5:59 pm Post subject: |
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| How anyone could simply assume that D-Day revolves around American soldiers is beyond me. OH...and America was already engaged in a different war in the Pacific...in case you didn't know. |
Well first off, considering your posting history on the U.S. military, and the lordly tone your original post was taking, which is something only Americans do (I never hear any of this coming from Brits or Canucks), yes I assumed so.
Same thing as Pearl Harbor, the day Americans finally decided to join the Chinese in the dying.
Why not a post on the CE forum commemorating a Soviet or Chinese battle in WWII? Or the Poles?
American Deaths- 418,000
Chinese Deaths- 10-20 million
Soviet Deaths- 23 Million
Polish Deaths- 5.6 million 16% of the population.
But yes, let's carry on and on about D-Day.
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| So, are you saying that it was only American forces on that day? Do I understand you correctly? Do you need a history lesson? |
No I don't. But the only ones who make a big deal about it are the Americans. Saving Private Ryan was great, Band of Brothers was a great book and a fine TV series, but good grief get over it.
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| People died to free Eurpoe that day. |
Yeah, so the way to celebrate that is to go on Dave's. Right.
And dude, a lot of people died on a lot of days in that war. Many died in quite nastier situations than D-Day.
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| Shame on you for being an ass....but hey, this is Dave's..... |
You were the one who got preachy. Suggesting that we were all failure's for not saluting D-Day on Dave's ESL Cafe (during Korean Memorial Day, no less).
I firmly believe that military days and battles and whatnot are primarily to be commemorated and talked about by the men who fought in them. They don't want to have us bow down ("I just did what was right...Hey, I lived...etc"). It's something for them to talk about with their comrades. Those who weren't there don't understand. |
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travel zen
Joined: 22 Feb 2005
Location: Good old Toronto, Canada
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| Posted: Mon Jun 06, 2011 6:11 pm Post subject: |
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You think those figues are bad?
Just wait till the next war  |
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shifter2009
Joined: 03 Sep 2006
Location: wisconsin
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| Posted: Mon Jun 06, 2011 10:38 pm Post subject: |
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| Steelrails wrote: |
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| How anyone could simply assume that D-Day revolves around American soldiers is beyond me. OH...and America was already engaged in a different war in the Pacific...in case you didn't know. |
Well first off, considering your posting history on the U.S. military, and the lordly tone your original post was taking, which is something only Americans do (I never hear any of this coming from Brits or Canucks), yes I assumed so.
Same thing as Pearl Harbor, the day Americans finally decided to join the Chinese in the dying.
Why not a post on the CE forum commemorating a Soviet or Chinese battle in WWII? Or the Poles?
American Deaths- 418,000
Chinese Deaths- 10-20 million
Soviet Deaths- 23 Million
Polish Deaths- 5.6 million 16% of the population.
But yes, let's carry on and on about D-Day.
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| So, are you saying that it was only American forces on that day? Do I understand you correctly? Do you need a history lesson? |
No I don't. But the only ones who make a big deal about it are the Americans. Saving Private Ryan was great, Band of Brothers was a great book and a fine TV series, but good grief get over it.
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| People died to free Eurpoe that day. |
Yeah, so the way to celebrate that is to go on Dave's. Right.
And dude, a lot of people died on a lot of days in that war. Many died in quite nastier situations than D-Day.
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| Shame on you for being an ass....but hey, this is Dave's..... |
You were the one who got preachy. Suggesting that we were all failure's for not saluting D-Day on Dave's ESL Cafe (during Korean Memorial Day, no less).
I firmly believe that military days and battles and whatnot are primarily to be commemorated and talked about by the men who fought in them. They don't want to have us bow down ("I just did what was right...Hey, I lived...etc"). It's something for them to talk about with their comrades. Those who weren't there don't understand. |
So deaths are the top contribution to a war effort? |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Mon Jun 06, 2011 11:08 pm Post subject: |
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How about enemy dead? The Soviets and Chinese inflicted massive amounts of casualties and tied down the bulk of the German and Japanese armies.
Do you think we get ashore on D-Day in such an easy fashion if Hitler isn't worried about the Russians?
Any idea how much trying to hold onto China and SE Asia sucked Japan's resources and manpower?
Clap Clap for all of "Our Boys", but seriously it's like cheering the Cornerback and the Wide Receiver who make the big plays while ignoring the 14 Offensive and Defensive linemen and linebackers who did the grunt work. |
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shifter2009
Joined: 03 Sep 2006
Location: wisconsin
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| Posted: Tue Jun 07, 2011 12:39 am Post subject: |
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| Steelrails wrote: |
How about enemy dead? The Soviets and Chinese inflicted massive amounts of casualties and tied down the bulk of the German and Japanese armies.
Do you think we get ashore on D-Day in such an easy fashion if Hitler isn't worried about the Russians?
Any idea how much trying to hold onto China and SE Asia sucked Japan's resources and manpower?
Clap Clap for all of "Our Boys", but seriously it's like cheering the Cornerback and the Wide Receiver who make the big plays while ignoring the 14 Offensive and Defensive linemen and linebackers who did the grunt work. |
I think you forget wars are generally not won by man power alone. Do you think Russia is even still in the war without the promise of a D-day invasion and the 11 billion dollars we gave them? Lend-Lease saved their bacon. I think your position would be better served with less hyperbolic argument. All the major allies played key roles and deserve their share of the credit. This crap your on about thanking Russian, Chinese and British soldiers over American vets is pretty sad. If you don't think the guys at D-day, Iwo Jima, the Bulge ect didn't earn a pat on the back just the same as everyone else, then I don't know what to do with you.
If you want to argue that we don't give enough credit out to our allies when taking about WWII, that is a fair and valid point. I don't think its right to do that by down playing the US's involvement however. No US involvement=Allied Victory. Same goes for everyone else involved. |
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Sergio Stefanuto
Joined: 14 May 2009
Location: UK
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| Posted: Tue Jun 07, 2011 12:55 am Post subject: |
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Don't forget Poland's ethnic cleansing (1.6 million killed)
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Within a few years of the War's end, an incredible 15 million Reichsdeutsch and ethnic German civilians would be thrown out of Poland, the Baltic States, Memel, Czechoslovakia, Hungary, Rumania, Yugoslavia and eastern areas of Germany. Time and again, Germans, who for generations had lived in a town or village or on land they owned, were grabbed, looted, beaten, raped and then often corralled until they could be forced into unheated freight cars and expelled to Germany � sometimes without food or water for a trip taking many days, even weeks. In fact, this provided the new communist-controlled Polish government an incredible wealth with which to reward its supporters and buy support from the peasants.
Overall, through their savage occupation policies, executions, mass murder and death camps, the Nazis killed about 5.4million Poles (one out of every six to seven), 3 million of them Jews. It is easy to understand, though not one bit justifying, why after the war Poles would take revenge for this horror on the first defenceless Germans under their control
- RJ Rummel, 'Death by Government' |
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aq8knyus
Joined: 28 Jul 2010
Location: London
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| Posted: Tue Jun 07, 2011 1:10 am Post subject: |
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The Soviets brought it on themselves they were were quite happy to side with Hitler in return for some more land. They even supplied Germany with much needed raw materials, the Germans bombed France and Britain with Russian gas in their tanks.
I am surprised there is no real mention in Britain as well considering it was the last operation of WWII where the country was the senior military ally.
Also 1944 is not so long ago my grandad was born in 1924 and is still alive, its not like we are going on about Yorktown. |
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Leslie Cheswyck
Joined: 31 May 2003
Location: University of Western Chile
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| Posted: Tue Jun 07, 2011 1:26 am Post subject: |
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The Soviets brought it on themselves they were were quite happy to side with Hitler in return for some more land. They even supplied Germany with much needed raw materials, the Germans bombed France and Britain with Russian gas in their tanks.
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That's true, steelrails. And to hear them holler "Second front! Second front!" Well, f*ck me, they had one in 1940. What'd they do with it? |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994
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| Posted: Tue Jun 07, 2011 3:10 am Post subject: Re: June 6 |
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| soupsandwich wrote: |
Noboby cared to mention anything about June 6, 1944 eh?
You guys stay classy.
soupsandwich |
And this is your tribute? If D-Day is important enough to make a post, then it is important enough to expess an actual thought--other than criticizing others for not expressing something you didn't bother to do.
I've often been unimpressed with your posts, but this one....congratulations. In only a couple of short weeks on the site and you've managed to become the Sarah Palin of Dave's. |
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