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T-J
Joined: 10 Oct 2008
Location: Seoul EunpyungGu Yeonsinnae
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There's 1.2 million foreigners living in Korea....
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I was victim of this "statistic" until recently myself. The truth is there are only 590,000 foreigners in Korea that have resided here for more than three months. Over fifty percent of which are Chinese. It seems when stretching for higher immigration numbers in the past they included F-4 visa holders in that 1.2 million number.
Link: http://asiancorrespondent.com/56732/government-releases-statistics-on-foreigners-in-korea/
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drydell
Joined: 01 Oct 2009
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| Posted: Tue Jun 07, 2011 6:23 am Post subject: |
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I think we should give Lee Hyori the benefit of the doubt in this situation..for these reasons..
One of the questions is this- is she is simply a vacuous model/pop star?... does she even know what she's saying? - lets look at the evidence..because it seems like she has actually shown some personal verve recently and faced a major ticking off from some big companies because of it...
firstly she has apparently refused to wear or sponsor all major designer brand labels (very recently) - and now wears cheap high street clothes... pretty hardcore for a korean celeb these days..deserves some kudos..
Also - she had the balls to go vegetarian and face the wrath of the beef industry she once promoted..again kudos.. takes some strength of personality in korea..
http://www.soompi.com/news/lee-hyori-hurt-koreas-meat-industry-by-turning-vegan
Was she spouting xenophobic-nationalism or one-nation Korea platitudes?.. well no I don't think so..- was it a clich� that all people her age were educated repeatedly with - according to my Korean wife of the same age as her - yes - (much like the 4 seasons etc nonsense you hear a lot of)..
as others have said - She was probably trying to emphasise the bonding/family nature of all Korean society and present it as something that makes Korea a great country (I think it's nonsense personally- Koreans treat strangers like dirt..families are like families in every country- some very good -some dysfunctional..)
but for people to feel it was an attack on their status as an immigrant or guest worker... what a complete straw man if ever there was - amazed this thread has gone on as long as it has... |
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Stout
Joined: 28 May 2011
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| Posted: Tue Jun 07, 2011 7:41 am Post subject: |
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| Pop singers turnover like yesterday's rice cake gone bad. Both Hyo-ri and her management company know she's getting older, as her core audience is. Brushing up your image by showing how 'concerned' you are with 'important' issues are a paramount concern and keep you in people's good books (funny how it's been made public that she doesn't wear any brand clothes, she's either made pronouncements about it, or it was conveniently leaked to the media). Don't be surprised if you see her one day emerging from a steakhouse giggling with her pals...but then of course you'll believe her when she smiles and tells you she only ordered a salad, 100% organic of course, from locally sourced vegetables, and all the Korean farmers were paid properly, because 'jeong' is a wonderful thing, and she genuinely cares about them, just as all elite K-pop singers do...next thing you know, someone's going to come on board and tell us how altruistic and wonderful the whole Korean entertainment industry is, minus the slave contracts (not successful as an actress or idol singer?- next stop, Kangnam room salon, and I'm afraid you won't just be pouring the drinks for all the restrained, gallant gentlemen) and odd suicide or two... |
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Chris.Quigley
Joined: 20 Apr 2009
Location: Belfast. N Ireland
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| Posted: Tue Jun 07, 2011 7:59 am Post subject: |
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I agree with drydell's assessment. She doesn't strike me as a xenophobic racist on the warpath to have all foreigners expelled from Korea...I don't even think she is trying to say that Koreans are somehow the superior race. She does seem ignorant and brainwashed however.
She is repeating the same BS that Koreans will often spread around because 20 years ago they tried to come up with "what makes Korea awesome" and rather than coming up with the things that actually make Korea awesome, they just created a mythical somewhat racist sounding... ignorant, but extremely sexy... monster.
Jeong! Daehanminjok! Oh man... I have heard about those things way too many times...
If there are serious spelling errors in this post please over look them... usually I am better than 20/20 but today I woke up barely able to see... |
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soupsandwich
Joined: 20 May 2011
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| Posted: Tue Jun 07, 2011 10:23 am Post subject: |
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8 pages of posts due to a 1:22 sec video?
Really?
In all honesty, I quite admire the Korean "Jeong"....I think it is admirable.
Does this make her a "racist"....no. Does this make her igorant, no.
Using the words of SGT Hulka..........."Lighten up, Fancis".
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Chalmers
Joined: 20 Oct 2008
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| Posted: Tue Jun 07, 2011 3:02 pm Post subject: |
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| this video and interview is at least one year old. |
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edwardcatflap
Joined: 22 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Tue Jun 07, 2011 4:50 pm Post subject: |
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| So maybe she's got those big glasses and friz haircut already? |
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Underwaterbob
Joined: 08 Jan 2005
Location: In Cognito
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| Posted: Tue Jun 07, 2011 5:11 pm Post subject: |
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| It seems to me that somewhere along the line race and nationality are getting mixed up... |
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Captain Corea
Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Tue Jun 07, 2011 5:33 pm Post subject: |
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As an aside to the OP. If you want to continue to pull quotes from other conversations out of context that is up to you. It does nothing to accurately reflect my opinions in the context of this conversation though.
To be specific when I said that your daughter and my son were not Korean or Foreigners, but instead a mix. It was addressing your problems with Koreans calling her a foreigner and you insisting she is Korean.
My view on them being neither but rather a combination of the two comes from having lived in the States, where he faced the opposite AND having lived here where he faces the same. And this is the important part, regardless of where he is, who he is doesn't change. The statement I made in the other conversation was addressing this point. When you move to back to your home country, will your daughter suddenly stop being Korean and become X?
Again arguments for the other thread. Best if we leave them in that thread and not attempt to pull sound bites into this one to paint a picture that is inaccurate for lack of context.
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I 'pulled it' to this thread because you never came back to that one. My daughter is BOTH Korean and Canadian. She doesn't have to be one or the other. She can be both because she IS both.
If people call her Canadian... or Korean.. I'm fine with that.
You've stated that she is NOT Korean... and that ties into opinion on this subject as well. This subject is about Korea being 'one blood/race/whatever'... and you chiming in here with your little drive-by sniping of "Dave's blah blah" reminded me of your asinine opinions about my daughter.
Talk about your son all you like... call him what you like... but when you want to put labels on my daughter, you're going to have me object to it and remind you of it ever step of the way.
Don't try to take the high road here when your posting history here is far from it. You have tried calling me out on ignoring the 'whole video', when my OP was about a link to the chosun ilbo that didn't contain any other parts of the video. It was YOU who went hunting to try to prove some point (that still seems unclear). |
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Captain Corea
Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Tue Jun 07, 2011 5:36 pm Post subject: |
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The fact is that the term 민족 does not mean "race" regardless of how dictionaries translate it. It can't because the word predates the concept. Furthermore, 한민족 is 韩国人 not 一国人.Therefor the OP's outrage is completely misdirected.
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So.. you're saying that your definition is right, and the dictionaries are wrong (possible). Ok then, let me ask you... do Koreans never use 민족 as 'race'? Because I'm 100% sure I've had this conversation with Koreans and their explanation is different from yours. Are you seriously coming here and posting that it has NOTHING to do with race/ethnicity/blood lines??
I agree with you that there are different historical attachments to the word, but the dance you are doing seems odd. You say it's about groups and blood, but that it doesn't really mean that. Seriously, man.. You're trying pretty hard to prove something that you're actually admitting... It's a group thing based on history, race, blood, and whathaveyou.
And that's the objection my OP was all about. I find it odd that in one thread you go on about my daughter NOT being Korean simply because her dad is caucasion, yet you come here and say that it's got NOTHING to do with race and that my ire is misplaced.
Man, which is it?? |
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T-J
Joined: 10 Oct 2008
Location: Seoul EunpyungGu Yeonsinnae
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| Posted: Tue Jun 07, 2011 6:53 pm Post subject: |
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So.. you're saying that your definition is right, and the dictionaries are wrong (possible). Ok then, let me ask you... do Koreans never use 민족 as 'race'?
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I'm saying that when Koreans use 민족 they mean 민족. What ever translation you bring to that is your responsibility.
If you would like to read about the differences between 민족 and 인종 you can educate yourself here.
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Captain Corea
Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Tue Jun 07, 2011 7:01 pm Post subject: |
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So.. you're saying that your definition is right, and the dictionaries are wrong (possible). Ok then, let me ask you... do Koreans never use 민족 as 'race'?
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I'm saying that when Koreans use 민족 they mean 민족. What ever translation you bring to that is your responsibility.
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Just like you've decided your own translation? I notice how you ignored the fact that race was the issue when you said my daughter wasn't Korean, but now you're saying that race has got nothing to do with this sort of thing. lol |
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T-J
Joined: 10 Oct 2008
Location: Seoul EunpyungGu Yeonsinnae
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| Posted: Tue Jun 07, 2011 7:26 pm Post subject: |
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As an aside to the OP. If you want to continue to pull quotes from other conversations out of context that is up to you. It does nothing to accurately reflect my opinions in the context of this conversation though.
To be specific when I said that your daughter and my son were not Korean or Foreigners, but instead a mix. It was addressing your problems with Koreans calling her a foreigner and you insisting she is Korean.
My view on them being neither but rather a combination of the two comes from having lived in the States, where he faced the opposite AND having lived here where he faces the same. And this is the important part, regardless of where he is, who he is doesn't change. The statement I made in the other conversation was addressing this point. When you move to back to your home country, will your daughter suddenly stop being Korean and become X?
Again arguments for the other thread. Best if we leave them in that thread and not attempt to pull sound bites into this one to paint a picture that is inaccurate for lack of context.
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I 'pulled it' to this thread because you never came back to that one. My daughter is BOTH Korean and Canadian. She doesn't have to be one or the other. She can be both because she IS both.
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So let me understand this...
I say "She isn't Korean or Canadian, she is both".
You say "She is Korean and Canadian, she is both".
This is the difference that has you upset? Really? O.K. You "win" She is both.
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If people call her Canadian... or Korean.. I'm fine with that.
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If you will be fine with it there, then why aren't you fine with it here?
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Captain Corea
Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Tue Jun 07, 2011 8:03 pm Post subject: |
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You didn't say she was both, you said she was neither.. And then used a Korean term for mixed race. Need I quote you again?
Your last quote and question confuses me in its context, mind elaborating? |
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T-J
Joined: 10 Oct 2008
Location: Seoul EunpyungGu Yeonsinnae
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| Posted: Tue Jun 07, 2011 8:37 pm Post subject: |
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You didn't say she was both, you said she was neither.. And then used a Korean term for mixed race. Need I quote you again?
Your last quote and question confuses me in its context, mind elaborating? |
It seems that your definition of both is that she can switch from one to the other, like changing hats.
My definition of both is a mix of the two resulting in something that is different and unique from either.
You stated you will be fine with people calling your daughter Canadian or Korean. I assumed you were referring to when you will be in Canada. Thus my question why....
Actually it isn't important. Forget I asked. At this point I really couldn't care much less.
I think it silly to get upset at a person not because of what she said (back to the OP) but because of how it was translated.
I don't think that being proud of one's own culture and heritage and respecting others are mutually exclusive. You seem to be saying that they are. Fair enough. We disagree.
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