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Carbon
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 Posted: Wed Jun 08, 2011 4:24 am Post subject: Re: Am I the worst example? |
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| NohopeSeriously wrote: |
There has been a handful of members here who said that my grammar sucks. One bombarded me with a borderline trollish insult today. I don't think my grammar sucks. I think I use a rather different way of expressing things that everybody could comprehend. They're not too different from the generic English speakers. I may born in Korea but I lived in the USA and Canada for 75% of my life. My first words were in English. I've thought English is my first language of my whole life. There were several times that I had to learn other languages and temporary ditch English.
Should I give up becoming a NET because of my poor grammar and a harsh decision made by few people about me? Or should I become an epic loser in the English-teaching scene?
This long-term insecurity from this peer pressure is unpleasant, I should say. |
If you are asking and then putting up this post as a sample, then yes, your grammar skills are lacking.
Do you speak that way as well? I mean, if so and what with you being born here, I assume you want the best for Koreans (or at least you don't want to cause problems). So, you wouldn't want to do them the disservice of teaching English here, right?
Anyone with any sense wouldn't try to get a job teaching something they just aren't good at in the first place. What will you demand of your students? No more errors than you is acceptable? Perfection when you, the teacher can't even produce it?
Big rhetorical questions.
If you really do have this huge insecurity, why not do something about it? Study. |
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litebear
Joined: 12 Sep 2009
Location: Holland
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| Posted: Wed Jun 08, 2011 4:30 am Post subject: Re: Am I the worst example? |
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| Carbon wrote: |
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| NohopeSeriously wrote: |
| I don't think my grammar sucks. |
I'm suprised you say that considering that you sent me a PM saying.
| NohopeSeriously wrote: |
| Sure, my English sucks. It's not gonna stop me from getting a teaching job. |
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Uncool. PMs are indeed supposed to be private. |
Couldn't care less whether people felt that was a bit gauche. The guy is a fraud |
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litebear
Joined: 12 Sep 2009
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| Posted: Wed Jun 08, 2011 4:34 am Post subject: |
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| I've thought English is my first language of my whole life. |
It sounds so... I dunno... Reminds me of a Korean to English translation. I would just write "I consider English to be my first language." |
Trust me. I've heard this sentence structure among native speakers in Canada.
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You're trying to tell us that you have heard native speakers say "I've thought English is my first language of my whole life"?
It doesn't make any sense! |
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NohopeSeriously
Joined: 17 Jan 2011
Location: The Christian Right-Wing Educational Republic of Korea
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| Posted: Wed Jun 08, 2011 4:41 am Post subject: |
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| litebear wrote: |
| Couldn't care less whether people felt that was a bit gauche. The guy is a fraud |
Oh, have a heart.
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You're trying to tell us that you have heard native speakers say "I've thought English is my first language of my whole life"?
It doesn't make any sense! |
I could be wrong. |
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NohopeSeriously
Joined: 17 Jan 2011
Location: The Christian Right-Wing Educational Republic of Korea
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| Posted: Wed Jun 08, 2011 4:48 am Post subject: |
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| runthegauntlet wrote: |
| In all seriousness, it seems like you have some confidence/self-esteem issues that you haven't addressed and this whole 'grammar' thing is just a petty manifestation of that. |
Would a low self-esteem obstructs one's ability to communicate? |
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some waygug-in
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| Posted: Wed Jun 08, 2011 5:31 am Post subject: |
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Yes, most definitely.
As many of us who have taught in Korea can testify, low self-esteem or lack of confidence is something many students have to battle and it's not always easy to overcome.
A teacher has to allow the student the freedom to express their ideas without the constant fear of making mistakes, but at the same time we have to be able to give enough corrections (and in positive ways) so that the student can see and learn from his/her mistakes.
Mistakes are how we learn. I've sure made enough of them in my time.
So to you Mr. Nohopeseriously, I salute you for having the courage to come on to this forum and admit your failings. This forum has been a valuable learning resource for me and others and it can be for you too.
Just don't get caught up in a bunch of negativity from certain other posters. It's not worth it.
And to those of you who say he shouldn't be teaching, when's the last time you corrected a Korean student's writing? Some of the gobbledeegook I've had to read through over the years left me needing a lot of aspirin just to get through a page of it. The OP's writing may not be perfect, but he certainly writes a lot better than 99% of the students I've dealt with.
He probably shouldn't be teaching a writing class, but I'm confident he can teach the average elementary or middle school student.
Perhaps one of you criticizers would be kind enough to offer him some help with his writing? After all you are such wonderful teachers and all. |
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NohopeSeriously
Joined: 17 Jan 2011
Location: The Christian Right-Wing Educational Republic of Korea
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| Posted: Wed Jun 08, 2011 5:37 am Post subject: |
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| Just don't get caught up in a bunch of negativity from certain other posters. It's not worth it. |
About that. litebear is a big piece of careless fraud for I care. If he didn't post that insulting post last time, I wouldn't have been so enraged right now. It's a damn good thing I reported him to a mod. |
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runthegauntlet
Joined: 02 Dec 2007
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| Posted: Wed Jun 08, 2011 5:53 am Post subject: |
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Just don't get caught up in a bunch of negativity from certain other posters. It's not worth it.
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It seems this entire thread is negative and has been constructed by the OP in such a way that it's encouraged.
As mentioned, his self-deprecating posts and his resulting attempts to halfheartedly defend himself when someone agrees with it reeks of someone in need of attention and support.
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runthegauntlet
Joined: 02 Dec 2007
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| Posted: Wed Jun 08, 2011 5:54 am Post subject: |
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| NohopeSeriously wrote: |
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| In all seriousness, it seems like you have some confidence/self-esteem issues that you haven't addressed and this whole 'grammar' thing is just a petty manifestation of that. |
Would a low self-esteem obstructs one's ability to communicate? |
Is this an admission that you have low self-esteem?
Why are you on here trawling for more derogatory posts then?
Seriously, why don't you seek out some professional assistance?? |
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runthegauntlet
Joined: 02 Dec 2007
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| Posted: Wed Jun 08, 2011 5:56 am Post subject: |
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| NohopeSeriously wrote: |
| some waygug-in wrote: |
| Just don't get caught up in a bunch of negativity from certain other posters. It's not worth it. |
About that. litebear is a big piece of careless fraud for I care. If he didn't post that insulting post last time, I wouldn't have been so enraged right now. It's a damn good thing I reported him to a mod. |
Really?
Mate, it's becoming more apparent with each successive post. You really seem to have some problems that should be addressed by a professional. Either in Korea or back home.
There's always hope. Surround yourself with positive people, think positive thoughts, and focus on things that are encouraging and make you happy. This forum is probably not going to help you with any of the above.
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NohopeSeriously
Joined: 17 Jan 2011
Location: The Christian Right-Wing Educational Republic of Korea
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| Posted: Wed Jun 08, 2011 6:06 am Post subject: |
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| runthegauntlet wrote: |
| As mentioned, his self-deprecating posts and his resulting attempts to half-halfheartedly defend himself when someone agrees with it reeks of someone in need of attention and support. |
Oh, come on. I didn't want an English-teaching job in the first place. I didn't come to Korea with my own decision other than taking care of my dad's side of the family. And that was my family's decision, not mine. I may be a Korean by blood but I find myself impossible to associate with those Koreans. I have to get an English-teaching job because my poor Korean is a barrier from getting a normal job in Korea. And now people in this thread are complaining that my English writing skill is full of crap.
What the hell should I do? Huh? You got any brilliant idea to turn things upside-down? |
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runthegauntlet
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| Posted: Wed Jun 08, 2011 6:11 am Post subject: |
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| NohopeSeriously wrote: |
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| As mentioned, his self-deprecating posts and his resulting attempts to half-halfheartedly defend himself when someone agrees with it reeks of someone in need of attention and support. |
Oh, come on. I didn't want an English-teaching job in the first place. I didn't come to Korea with my own decision other than taking care of my dad's side of the family. I may be a Korean by blood but I find myself impossible to associate with those Koreans. I have to get an English-teaching job because my poor Korean is a barrier from getting a normal job in Korea. And now people in this thread are complaining that my English writing skill is full of crap.
What the hell should I do? Huh? You got any brilliant idea to turn things upside-down? |
Alright, that's fine. Most of us have worked jobs that we didn't want to work. Surely it's not all bad, though, right? If you try I'm sure you can find some aspect of your job that you enjoy. Focus on that and don't get caught up in the mundane, probably inconsequential parts.
Why on Earth do you care what people on this thread think? Maybe you should just get off the forum, yeah? Even delete your account if that's what you have to do. There's absolutely no point in getting riled up about things people say on anonymous message boards. Half of it's probably done just to take the piss anyway. Don't take things so personal!
It seems that all you're doing is getting angry and frustrated and how is that helping you? Get off the net and go find something you enjoy, something that makes you happy.
If you can be happy with yourself you can be happy with nearly anything, even a job you don't like. |
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litebear
Joined: 12 Sep 2009
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| Posted: Wed Jun 08, 2011 6:27 am Post subject: |
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| runthegauntlet wrote: |
| NohopeSeriously wrote: |
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| As mentioned, his self-deprecating posts and his resulting attempts to half-halfheartedly defend himself when someone agrees with it reeks of someone in need of attention and support. |
Oh, come on. I didn't want an English-teaching job in the first place. I didn't come to Korea with my own decision other than taking care of my dad's side of the family. I may be a Korean by blood but I find myself impossible to associate with those Koreans. I have to get an English-teaching job because my poor Korean is a barrier from getting a normal job in Korea. And now people in this thread are complaining that my English writing skill is full of crap.
What the hell should I do? Huh? You got any brilliant idea to turn things upside-down? |
Alright, that's fine. Most of us have worked jobs that we didn't want to work. Surely it's not all bad, though, right? If you try I'm sure you can find some aspect of your job that you enjoy. Focus on that and don't get caught up in the mundane, probably inconsequential parts.
Why on Earth do you care what people on this thread think? Maybe you should just get off the forum, yeah? Even delete your account if that's what you have to do. There's absolutely no point in getting riled up about things people say on anonymous message boards. Half of it's probably done just to take the piss anyway. Don't take things so personal!
It seems that all you're doing is getting angry and frustrated and how is that helping you? Get off the net and go find something you enjoy, something that makes you happy.
If you can be happy with yourself you can be happy with nearly anything, even a job you don't like. |
I agree with this! |
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