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soupsandwich



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 08, 2011 8:29 am    Post subject: Telling it the way it is..... Reply with quote

http://www.foxnews.com/on-air/oreilly/transcript/bill-oreilly-anger-over-obamas-handling-economy


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By Bill O'Reilly

As you may know, there was bad economic news last week. The unemployment rate went up and housing remains awful.


In the face of the bad news, even the liberal press is concerned. Listen to Bob Schieffer grilling Nancy Pelosi:

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

BOB SCHIEFFER, HOST, "FACE THE NATION": You were talking in kind of a different way when unemployment went to five percent under George Bush. What you said then, "Americans are struggling with sky-rocketing energy prices," gas was only $3 a gallon then. And you said, "This morning's" -- this is January 4, 2008 -- "This morning's job report confirms what most Americans already knew. President Bush's economic policies have failed our country's middle class." I mean, aren't Republicans entitled to say, you know, if gas was $3 and unemployment was five percent and the president has failed the American people, don't they have a right to say that this president has failed the American people?

REP. NANCY PELOSI, D-CALIF., MINORITY LEADER: Well, if you want to go into the past, we can talk about the past all you want. The public wants to know about the future.


(END VIDEO CLIP)

Well, with all due respect to the former speaker, no one knows about the future. But here in the present, the U.S. economy remains in trouble. That was a very good sequence by Schieffer. I have to give him credit.

"Talking Points" believes the American people themselves can turn the economy around if the government gets out of their way. There is a lot of cash on the sidelines. And once the private sector becomes more confident, the economy will improve.

What's holding things back is huge government spending and uncertainty about things like Obamacare. Also, many Democrats still believe the federal government should redistribute wealth in America. Industry does not like that, so it's become a problem.

A new Gallup poll asks: Do you think our government should or should not redistribute wealth by heavy taxes on the rich? Forty-nine percent of Americans say no, but 47 percent want the feds to play Robin Hood, to take from the affluent and give to those who don't have much. Forty-seven percent is a big number. That number includes 71 percent of Democrats, while just 43 percent of independents and 28 percent of Republicans support forced sharing.

In the gender area, 52 percent of women want income redistribution, but just 42 percent of men do. On the race front, just 41 percent of whites believe in forced sharing; 64 percent of non-whites do.

So you can see where this is going. Barack Obama is heavily dependent on minorities and women for votes. Thus, the private sector does not believe the president will pull back on his nanny state economic philosophy, and that's stunting economic growth.

The essential question is: What kind of country do Americans want: a vibrant, capitalistic state or a Western European-style nanny state? The call will be made next year.



Perhaps we should enable the count down clock post.......signaling how may days obama has left in office?



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 08, 2011 10:35 am    Post subject: Re: Telling it the way it is..... Reply with quote

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By Bill O'Reilly

The essential question is: What kind of country do Americans want: a vibrant, capitalistic state or a Western European-style nanny state? The call will be made next year.


Maybe Bill O'Reilly should compare economic data with Western European-style nanny states like Germany, Netherlands, Denmark, Austria, Switzerland, Norway or Finland. Rolling Eyes

Ignorant cretin.
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soupsandwich



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 08, 2011 10:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Maybe Bill O'Reilly should compare economic data with Western European-style nanny states like Germany, Netherlands, Denmark, Austria, Switzerland, Norway or Finland.

Ignorant cretin.



I'm sure you would have to include the difference in population.....right?


The point is, most people in America DONT WANT to be like Europe.

..guess you missed that one, eh?


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 08, 2011 12:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Maybe Bill O'Reilly should compare economic data with Western European-style nanny states like Germany, Netherlands, Denmark, Austria, Switzerland, Norway or Finland.

Ignorant cretin.



I'm sure you would have to include the difference in population.....right?


The point is, most people in America DONT WANT to be like Europe.

..guess you missed that one, eh?


soupsandwich


No, I didn't miss it - my point is that people like Bill O'Reilly make Europe out to be some sort of pit of despair...
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 08, 2011 12:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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No, I didn't miss it - my point is that people like Bill O'Reilly make Europe out to be some sort of pit of despair...



"The Pit...of Despaaaaiiir".


Well, I can meet you half way on that one. Though, look at Europes economy as a whole? What they are doing is not working and most people here, don't want those same practicies.



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 08, 2011 1:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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No, I didn't miss it - my point is that people like Bill O'Reilly make Europe out to be some sort of pit of despair...


"The Pit...of Despaaaaiiir".

Well, I can meet you half way on that one. Though, look at Europes economy as a whole? What they are doing is not working and most people here, don't want those same practicies.

soupsandwich


Europe isn't one economy, despite the single currency. My point is that countries CAN thrive with the types of policies that Bill O'Reilly mocks, and OTOH they can collapse.

I work in engineering these days, and I have heard from many American counterparts that the USA just has not invested in infrastructure, and is extremely ill-equipped for future challenges - to the point where they may be facing massive black-outs, water shortages (especially in the southern states) and a transport network which is not suited for a post-cheap oil era.

If the USA wants to fix these problems, it won't come cheap, and will have to start spending big, very soon.

NB: This is just what I hear from Americans, I haven't witnessed it myself, so I cannot vouch for its accuracy.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 08, 2011 2:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Europe isn't one economy, despite the single currency. My point is that countries CAN thrive with the types of policies that Bill O'Reilly mocks, and OTOH they can collapse.

I work in engineering these days, and I have heard from many American counterparts that the USA just has not invested in infrastructure, and is extremely ill-equipped for future challenges - to the point where they may be facing massive black-outs, water shortages (especially in the southern states) and a transport network which is not suited for a post-cheap oil era.

If the USA wants to fix these problems, it won't come cheap, and will have to start spending big, very soon.

NB: This is just what I hear from Americans, I haven't witnessed it myself, so I cannot vouch for its accuracy.



Oh, though that is somewhat of a different topic...I sort of agree.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 08, 2011 2:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well under the Bush policies the deficit increased to 2.6 trillion dollars. Employment dropped but the wealthy saw substantial increases while the poor and middle class saw a drop in their economic wealth.

But think using Bill O as some sought of authority figure on what is best for the country is quite funny, as Bill O only cares what happens to his wealth and not the rest of the country.

Even if you look at the all mighty one Reagan, taxes for corporation and the wealthy was a lot higher than what it is now. All the left wants to do is bring that back to the Clinton rate (which was still lower than Reagan's) where he left office with a surplus and during his term 23 million jobs where created.

Now the old adage 'You have to spend money to make money' is so true in these times. And that is what Obama is saying. He wants to invest in new technology and energy pathways that would reduce reliance on foreign energy, create jobs, sell new technology abroad. He is not looking at cutting entitlements to reduce the deficit. That is just a short term fix.

I haven't seen how republicans are looking at the future for America - where will the new jobs come from, what will the spend on infrastructure, what about technology.

Obama is all for high speed rail across America. It is only logical that this is an optimal form of transportation. Yet, many Republican Governors refuse the funding. Why? Considering more people are moving back to the cities to be closer to work as time and cost of travelling by car has become unbearable. Look at Korea. people use the KTX to commute to work, they are becoming more connected by satellite cities. They are able to move people around more efficiently than what America does.

Now, if you ask European countries if they want to be like America for example health care, I can't see anyone clammering to follow the American way. But you will find the majority of Americans agree with having medicare, and taking the insurance companies out of their doctors visits.

I reiterate, Bill O is just a scare monger - he uses the fear of being like the French et al. as a way to scare people into believing that it is completely the wrong way and not good for America. Well what Bush and Cheney did for America when they left office really left America in a really great state Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 08, 2011 3:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Well under the Bush policies the deficit increased to 2.6 trillion dollars. Employment dropped but the wealthy saw substantial increases while the poor and middle class saw a drop in their economic wealth.

But think using Bill O as some sought of authority figure on what is best for the country is quite funny, as Bill O only cares what happens to his wealth and not the rest of the country.

Even if you look at the all mighty one Reagan, taxes for corporation and the wealthy was a lot higher than what it is now. All the left wants to do is bring that back to the Clinton rate (which was still lower than Reagan's) where he left office with a surplus and during his term 23 million jobs where created.

Now the old adage 'You have to spend money to make money' is so true in these times. And that is what Obama is saying. He wants to invest in new technology and energy pathways that would reduce reliance on foreign energy, create jobs, sell new technology abroad. He is not looking at cutting entitlements to reduce the deficit. That is just a short term fix.

I haven't seen how republicans are looking at the future for America - where will the new jobs come from, what will the spend on infrastructure, what about technology.

Obama is all for high speed rail across America. It is only logical that this is an optimal form of transportation. Yet, many Republican Governors refuse the funding. Why? Considering more people are moving back to the cities to be closer to work as time and cost of travelling by car has become unbearable. Look at Korea. people use the KTX to commute to work, they are becoming more connected by satellite cities. They are able to move people around more efficiently than what America does.

Now, if you ask European countries if they want to be like America for example health care, I can't see anyone clammering to follow the American way. But you will find the majority of Americans agree with having medicare, and taking the insurance companies out of their doctors visits.

I reiterate, Bill O is just a scare monger - he uses the fear of being like the French et al. as a way to scare people into believing that it is completely the wrong way and not good for America. Well what Bush and Cheney did for America when they left office really left America in a really great state



So much longer do you think Obama can point the finger at the past, until things finaly turn around?

How much longer can Obama convince (now...a small portion of the population) that SPENDING OUR WAY OUT OF DEBT IS THE ANSWER..?


When will people actually take an objective look at the damage the Obama administration has done to this country, without using the liberal battle cry..."Bush did it"?

It's like pointing your finger at other dubious behavior in order to justify current dubious behavior.......


Face it.....the obama administration has been a nasty blow to the U.S.
Whether or not you wish to come out of the cave, that is up to you.

(a governmetn regulated economy is not what sparks capitalism and a free market).



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 08, 2011 3:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tell ya what....I'll break it down Barney Style for you.



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Wow...they are really adding up........I need to take a break.



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 08, 2011 5:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

soupsandwich wrote:
The point is, most people in America DONT WANT to be like Europe.



ignorance is bliss eh?

team america! fuc.... oh wait. we're swimming in debt with a laughable education system (higher education excluded). back to the drawing board!
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 08, 2011 7:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have more than a few issues with Obama. Just to name a few, I don't think he should have spent so much political capital on he health plan. He should have backed off and revisited it in his second term if he got one. Its compromised down to where its not the type of health plan it should be. There are other issues as well.

The economic numbers aren't great. I didn't expect them to be. I think many of us have very short memories. We faced a near fatal collapse economically. You can't turn things around in 3 years. Or more specifically, you'd need a lot of luck to do that. I think there is more he could or should be doing. Spending less on these wars, more on infrastructure that would create jobs, etc.

However, if McCain had won, would things have been markedly better? Its speculation but I personally don't think so. BOTH parties are tied to special interest groups that do not promote healthy economies. Self serving groups which only benefit America by coincidence and not by design.

Criticizing Obama is all well and good and he deserves a fair amount of criticism but if the alternative is a Republican party that talks about small government, government out of your home and privacy and cutting deficits but has always done the opposite once they are in office, then what's the point?

A 3rd party would be ideal. I'm not talking about the heavily compromiszed Tea Party either. The ones with inegrity of both parties don't stand a chance (Ron Paul for example).

Its not about just Bush for me. Its about a party that stood by and let him do things because he was their man. The Dems have massive issues of their own as well. They would have done the same had their man messed up as bad.

I have absolutely no faith in the Republican party. I'm an independent. Always have been, with libertarian leanings. I've voted for both parties. Right now, I'm not ecstatic about Obama but until the Republicans can show they can do more than criticize I'll 'waste' my vote on a 3rd pary as I've done at times or stick with the devil I know. If Ron Paul get the nomination then its a whole different ball game.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 09, 2011 7:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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ignorance is bliss eh?

team america! fuc.... oh wait. we're swimming in debt with a laughable education system (higher education excluded). back to the drawing board!




Yes......exactly.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 11, 2011 3:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

soupsandwich wrote:
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ignorance is bliss eh?

team america! fuc.... oh wait. we're swimming in debt with a laughable education system (higher education excluded). back to the drawing board!




Yes......exactly.


So his point is, what exactly would be wrong with emulating a state like Germany, the Netherlands, Finland, etc? The tax burdens are higher yet the govt. provides a lot of services in return, the unemployment rates of these countries are all much lower than the US, and there is less social unrest and crime.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 11, 2011 5:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Spain 45% unemployment for those under 25, Greece is finished economically for at least 70 years. Ireland is under water and Germany is probably headed into a severe recession;

But Fox news is a joke and mostly an entertainment/ reality show type of programming. I mean it is owned by an Australian and a Saudi businessman , who have no interest in telling the truth to the American people. So quoting someone from Fox news on the economy or Politics is like quoting DOG THE BOUNTY Hunter on quantum physics.

But the three year degree people on here and those from countries that envy the hell out of Stanford, Harvard, Yale, M.I.T. are almost as ignorant.

Europe is over!! DOne! Finished! Becoming more and more anti-immigrant, awaiting the rise of a Leader to cleanse it of the non European masses. Europeans pay like hell for healthcare and it is not that great, lacks specialist and advanced treatments. Europes debt is as great or greater than the U.S.'s
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