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If you don't like the way I drive then stay off the sidewalk
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myenglishisno



Joined: 08 Mar 2011
Location: Geumchon

PostPosted: Wed Jun 08, 2011 10:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

runthegauntlet wrote:

If you wanted to get out of there you should have walked away.

Sorry, this sounds like a sh*t situation but mate, how could you pay someone for hitting you?

In the words of that funny dance flick, 'You got served'.


I just didn't want the cops to get involved. I was paying so the cops wouldn't be involved. As a foreigner, I believe I would get in trouble instead of the delivery guy.


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runthegauntlet



Joined: 02 Dec 2007
Location: the southlands.

PostPosted: Wed Jun 08, 2011 10:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

myenglishisno wrote:
runthegauntlet wrote:

If you wanted to get out of there you should have walked away.

Sorry, this sounds like a sh*t situation but mate, how could you pay someone for hitting you?

In the words of that funny dance flick, 'You got served'.


I just didn't want the cops to get involved. I was paying so the cops wouldn't be involved. As a foreigner, I believe *I* would get in trouble instead of the delivery guy.


Alright, alright. You don't have to justify it to me. If you feel comfortable with doing that, then whatever works.
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Bibbitybop



Joined: 22 Feb 2006
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Wed Jun 08, 2011 10:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you are on a motorcycle and hit someone on the street, even if they are on the street illegally, like jaywalking, the motorcycle driver pays. This of course will apply to the sidewalks.

To hear someone paid a motorcycle driver who was on the sidewalk illegally AND hit a pedestrian is hilarious. Learn the laws and protect yourself.
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ThingsComeAround



Joined: 07 Nov 2008

PostPosted: Wed Jun 08, 2011 10:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The deliveryman just wanted you to pay him off for losing the delivery. It may have been hard to keep walking, but he wouldn't want police involved either... no more money to be made at the cop shop.
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myenglishisno



Joined: 08 Mar 2011
Location: Geumchon

PostPosted: Wed Jun 08, 2011 10:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bibbitybop wrote:

To hear someone paid a motorcycle driver who was on the sidewalk illegally AND hit a pedestrian is hilarious. Learn the laws and protect yourself.


Considering I've actually rode a motorcycle myself here for quite awhile... the first law about Korean traffic safety is that there are no Korean traffic safety laws. The second law about Korean traffic safety is that there are no Korean traffic safety laws. The third law about... Laughing
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ssuprnova



Joined: 17 Dec 2010
Location: Saigon

PostPosted: Wed Jun 08, 2011 11:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Feah wrote:
myenglishisno wrote:
About three weeks ago I got hit by a delivery scooter on a residential path while I was going for a run. I had my music on so I honestly didn't hear the guy and he drove right into me from the rear. Thankfully, I was only really clipped and completely uninjured. He got knocked over, though, and the food that was in his box got all sloshed around (I think it was Chinese takeout).

He got up and started screaming at me, gesturing about how I was walking and how I shouldn't run on the center of the path but on the sides. He wanted me to show him my ID and I lied and said it was at home. Then he demanded that I gave him compensation money.

Here in Anyang, there are residential paths everywhere that go through apartment blocks. There are these metal poles sticking up at the entrances which prohibit cars and up until this happened I assumed that they prohibited scooters too (especially since there is a picture of a delivery scooter with a line going through it at the entrance).

I eventually just gave him 50,000 won and he went away. I probably shouldn't have paid him I thought that the alternative was him calling the cops and in that case I bet the cops would have taken his side despite him driving illegally.

In this situation, who was in the right? I'd like to think it was me but this is Korea...


You been in Korea for too long man...


No kidding. The guy pissed on him and he said it's raining.
I'd probably call the police on him... then again speaking a bit of Korean helps.
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Weigookin74



Joined: 26 Oct 2009

PostPosted: Wed Jun 08, 2011 11:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

myenglishisno wrote:
About three weeks ago I got hit by a delivery scooter on a residential path while I was going for a run. I had my music on so I honestly didn't hear the guy and he drove right into me from the rear. Thankfully, I was only really clipped and completely uninjured. He got knocked over, though, and the food that was in his box got all sloshed around (I think it was Chinese takeout).

He got up and started screaming at me, gesturing about how I was walking and how I shouldn't run on the center of the path but on the sides. He wanted me to show him my ID and I lied and said it was at home. Then he demanded that I gave him compensation money.

Here in Anyang, there are residential paths everywhere that go through apartment blocks. There are these metal poles sticking up at the entrances which prohibit cars and up until this happened I assumed that they prohibited scooters too (especially since there is a picture of a delivery scooter with a line going through it at the entrance).

I eventually just gave him 50,000 won and he went away. I probably shouldn't have paid him I thought that the alternative was him calling the cops and in that case I bet the cops would have taken his side despite him driving illegally.

In this situation, who was in the right? I'd like to think it was me but this is Korea...


Bullshit! You should have screamed at him and told to get the hell off the sidewalks. He wasn't suppose to be there anyways.
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Weigookin74



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 08, 2011 11:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

One time I rode my bicycle across the crosswalk and it was legal for me to do at an intersection. Bus driver zoomed up and almost hit me. I made eye contact with him, pointed at the crosswalk, and my green light signal to cross. Then I biked away. I turned around maybe 30 seconds later and he had his head out the window yelling at me. I screamed back in English to shut the f up and quit driving like an idiot! He muttered some more Korean and drove away. He couldn't understand what I was saying in English but he knew I was yelling back and my body language conveyed a shove it up your a attitude!
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Bibbitybop



Joined: 22 Feb 2006
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Wed Jun 08, 2011 11:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

myenglishisno wrote:
Bibbitybop wrote:

To hear someone paid a motorcycle driver who was on the sidewalk illegally AND hit a pedestrian is hilarious. Learn the laws and protect yourself.


Considering I've actually rode a motorcycle myself here for quite awhile... the first law about Korean traffic safety is that there are no Korean traffic safety laws. The second law about Korean traffic safety is that there are no Korean traffic safety laws. The third law about... Laughing


I know a guy who hit a kid on his motorcycle and had to pay money.

I know that Gangnam police have set up cars with cameras on them to capture motorbike plates on the sidewalk.

I know a guy who got a ticket for running a red light on his motorcycle.

I have been stopped multiple times in Jongno-gu at random bike license checkpoints.

DUI penalties just increased.
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Boffo97



Joined: 08 Dec 2010

PostPosted: Wed Jun 08, 2011 11:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Re: the guy hit by a scooter.

I can understand being afraid of the "The Korean is always right" syndrome, but that's just ridiculous.

You were on the sidewalk and he plowed into you.

You either should have screamed back, daring him to call the cops (and if he did, fake an injury), or just laughed in his face, and walked away.
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yeti08



Joined: 04 Nov 2009
Location: Anyang - Pyeongchon

PostPosted: Wed Jun 08, 2011 11:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bibbitybop wrote:
myenglishisno wrote:
Bibbitybop wrote:

To hear someone paid a motorcycle driver who was on the sidewalk illegally AND hit a pedestrian is hilarious. Learn the laws and protect yourself.


Considering I've actually rode a motorcycle myself here for quite awhile... the first law about Korean traffic safety is that there are no Korean traffic safety laws. The second law about Korean traffic safety is that there are no Korean traffic safety laws. The third law about... Laughing


I know a guy who hit a kid on his motorcycle and had to pay money.

I know that Gangnam police have set up cars with cameras on them to capture motorbike plates on the sidewalk.

I know a guy who got a ticket for running a red light on his motorcycle.

I have been stopped multiple times in Jongno-gu at random bike license checkpoints.

DUI penalties just increased.


All great. Still not enough, baby steps I guess.
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Bibbitybop



Joined: 22 Feb 2006
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Thu Jun 09, 2011 12:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

yeti08 wrote:
Bibbitybop wrote:
myenglishisno wrote:
Bibbitybop wrote:

To hear someone paid a motorcycle driver who was on the sidewalk illegally AND hit a pedestrian is hilarious. Learn the laws and protect yourself.


Considering I've actually rode a motorcycle myself here for quite awhile... the first law about Korean traffic safety is that there are no Korean traffic safety laws. The second law about Korean traffic safety is that there are no Korean traffic safety laws. The third law about... Laughing


I know a guy who hit a kid on his motorcycle and had to pay money.

I know that Gangnam police have set up cars with cameras on them to capture motorbike plates on the sidewalk.

I know a guy who got a ticket for running a red light on his motorcycle.

I have been stopped multiple times in Jongno-gu at random bike license checkpoints.

DUI penalties just increased.


All great. Still not enough, baby steps I guess.


And still rarely enforced.

I've been traveling down a 1-way, 1-lane street in a line of cars when another car was coming at traffic (going the wrong way). The guy in the wrong didn't want to back up. Within traffic was a couple of pigs. They sat in their cars doing nothing for about 5 minutes until one of them decided to finally get out and direct traffic. Lazy. As. Fark.
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myenglishisno



Joined: 08 Mar 2011
Location: Geumchon

PostPosted: Thu Jun 09, 2011 12:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bibbitybop wrote:
myenglishisno wrote:
Bibbitybop wrote:

To hear someone paid a motorcycle driver who was on the sidewalk illegally AND hit a pedestrian is hilarious. Learn the laws and protect yourself.


Considering I've actually rode a motorcycle myself here for quite awhile... the first law about Korean traffic safety is that there are no Korean traffic safety laws. The second law about Korean traffic safety is that there are no Korean traffic safety laws. The third law about... Laughing


I know a guy who hit a kid on his motorcycle and had to pay money.

I know that Gangnam police have set up cars with cameras on them to capture motorbike plates on the sidewalk.

I know a guy who got a ticket for running a red light on his motorcycle.

I have been stopped multiple times in Jongno-gu at random bike license checkpoints.

DUI penalties just increased.


Jongno-gu? Kangnam? Of course the laws are enforced there. They have to be. Those places experience more through traffic in a day than all of Anyang in a month. They're the centers of Seoul.

Things are pretty different outside of Seoul, I think. I see taxis race through reds at full speed at night on big roads. I saw a guy try to weave on the right side of a hagwon bus on his delivery scooter when the door popped open and kids started popping out forcing him to slam on the brakes.

For the most part, the appropriate laws exist but they're not enforced.
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Mr. Peabody



Joined: 24 Sep 2010
Location: here

PostPosted: Thu Jun 09, 2011 12:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Boffo97 wrote:
Re: the guy hit by a scooter.

I can understand being afraid of the "The Korean is always right" syndrome, but that's just ridiculous.

You were on the sidewalk and he plowed into you.

You either should have screamed back, daring him to call the cops (and if he did, fake an injury), or just laughed in his face, and walked away.

this.

I can't believe someone could be so scared of the cops. I mean they don't do anything, right?
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deizio



Joined: 15 Jun 2007

PostPosted: Thu Jun 09, 2011 5:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Riding on the sidewalk in Gangnam was a 40k fine and 10 penalty points (I think 100 is the "limit" but could be wrong) in 2008. I generally make a point of not riding on the sidewalk but just cut a clear corner where traffic was backed up and subway construction was blocking the road, and got snapped by a government employee who had been handed a camera and told to catch some lawbreakers outside the office (Samsung 2-dong Office) on a slow morning.

At the time, I worked at Gangnam-gu office a couple of floors above the transport dept. and the bike was registered at Samsung 2-dong office, hence my latter knowledge of how things transpired and the general sense of irony that surrounded the whole incident.

When I went to the copshop they showed me the picture and gave me a bill to be paid at the bank. Fair cop.

Everything Bibbitybop says is true, although in 4 years of having the bike, 13,000 odd km and variously living and working in Gangnam, Yongsan and Jongno its the only time I've personally been cited or chastised for anything other than a minor 50/50 brush with a car (foreigner gets fingered, insurance picks up tab), and I've only been randomly stopped once. I ride thru Jongno and back every day at various times and am yet to personally encounter any patrols there. However, 3 words: License. Registration. Insurance.
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