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joelove



Joined: 12 May 2011

PostPosted: Thu Jun 09, 2011 9:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

PatrickGHBusan wrote:
Except for the gum smacking...its no big deal.


Wrong. Annoyances can be a big deal, but what's one to do? Isn't stuff like this what really bothers most people, so often? A bunch of trivial stuff, or is it?

It isn't, because it isn't just a thing or two here and there, it's a pile, a cascade of ugh, that leads one to bed weary.
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Steelrails



Joined: 12 Mar 2009
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 09, 2011 3:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

As I said, it depends on time and place.

I should also add that those of you who get so in a tizzy, remember that waiter of Family Mart counter worker who has to deal with the fact that you have the vocabulary of an infant in the language of their country. Or your co-teacher who has to lead you by the hand. Compared to gum-smacking I think we're getting the better end of the bargain.

And if it makes Korean people happy, fine, let them do it. It's their house, not yours. I mean if it is polite to slurp doesn't that make us rude for not doing it? If we are in their country, why should they adapt to us? Now before you go with the "but if Korea wants to join our global society..." Please, they aren't overseas, their in their own country. And if being accepted into global society is dependent on soup slurping, your global society sucks. And the Koreans are supposed to be the ones who are uptight conformists!

Now if you want o declare that "some manners are superior" and assign yourself a position of superiority and declare Koreans inferior, fine. But please dispense with the nonsense of you believing in equality and tolerance and embrace a mercenary view of cross-culturalism. Don't declare your culture superior and then whine about being an "exploited NET".

That being said, most Koreans know that in upscale western restaurants, dining behavior is different. And if I experienced that at a western restaurant I would certainly be irked and throw a glare. It all depends on the atmosphere.

It would be interesting to cross reference the table manners crowd with the appropriate dress crowd. It'd be pretty funny to see the same people who say "Don't judge me!" over their slovenly, smelly clothes then turn around and get uptight about gum smacking or soup slurping.
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cj1976



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 09, 2011 3:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There has to be a line when it comes to table manners. The noises don't bother me, but talking with your mouth full is nasty no matter where you are or where you're from.
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CentralCali



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 09, 2011 3:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Steelrails wrote:
As I said, it depends on time and place.

I should also add that those of you who get so in a tizzy, remember that waiter of Family Mart counter worker who has to deal with the fact that you have the vocabulary of an infant in the language of their country. Or your co-teacher who has to lead you by the hand. Compared to gum-smacking I think we're getting the better end of the bargain.


Do you ever have a clue as to what you're talking about?
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eamo



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 09, 2011 3:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It still bothers me (a little, not too much) after 10 years in Korea.

Especially when eating with a group of Korean and foreign staff who are all chewing as quietly as possible except for one ajeossi who is smacking away very gratuitously and completely oblivious to the elephant in the room........

I love to see the faces of the young North Americans who have been brought up with really good table manners when they go out for their first staff dinner in Korea!



Smacking when eating is becoming one of those things in Korea that is considered bad manners nowadays, but which no one thought twice about 15 years ago...like,

spitting
smoking near non-smokers
swearing in public
talking loudly on cellphone
letting doors close on people behind you
driving through crosswalks when people are crossing

These are things that some people might tell you are not considered rude in Korea so we have to just put up with them......well, maybe many years ago, but not now. Now these things are considered rude by most Koreans too. So don't be scared to show your displeasure when people do the above. They'll be fully aware that they shouldn't be doing it.
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jvalmer



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 09, 2011 4:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I can't believe the number of people that are actually bothered by this. I'd be more concerned about getting run over by some speeding car, or getting some disease transmitted by some exotic insect, or getting sliced by some falling piece of debris at some construction site than some guy eating with his mouth open.

Are we westerners really this stuck up that we are bothered by such trivial matters?
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eamo



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 09, 2011 4:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jvalmer wrote:
I can't believe the number of people that are actually bothered by this. I'd be more concerned about getting run over by some speeding car, or getting some disease transmitted by some exotic insect, or getting sliced by some falling piece of debris at some construction site than some guy eating with his mouth open.

Are we westerners really this stuck up that we are bothered by such trivial matters?


um...it's a discussion board. If we only talked about the truly important things in life then there would be a total of about 4 threads at any one time!

The noisy eating can be quite a shock to some people. If it doesn't bother you then cool......it doesn't really bother me either because I grew up among people who didn't exactly have perfect table manners themselves.....but others from the west may have grown up in an environment where table manners were taken very seriously.
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joelove



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 09, 2011 4:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jvalmer wrote:


Are we westerners really this stuck up that we are bothered by such trivial matters?


But aren't most people bothered by numerous things we might call trivial, such as pet peeves? The serious stuff is worse of course, but not usually a daily thing. It's the small stuff, a lot of little things, the minor annoyances as a composite, the daily hassles added up, that make up our lives, and often make us groan.
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runthegauntlet



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 09, 2011 4:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jvalmer wrote:

Are we westerners really this stuck up that we are bothered by such trivial matters?


So phenomenal that we have people like you to remind us that anything you consider 'trivial' shouldn't bother us.

Such profound wisdom to be found on these boards sometimes.
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runthegauntlet



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 09, 2011 4:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Steelrails wrote:
As I said, it depends on time and place.

I should also add that those of you who get so in a tizzy, remember that waiter of Family Mart counter worker who has to deal with the fact that you have the vocabulary of an infant in the language of their country. Or your co-teacher who has to lead you by the hand. Compared to gum-smacking I think we're getting the better end of the bargain.



Ah, and here's another one.

If those people are bothered by that, then they have every right to express that in whatever way they see fit. You seem to think that because they're not in this thread doing it, we shouldn't be doing it either.

But that's just asinine.

Should such inane analogies be brought up every time YOU mention something that bothers you?

No?

Yeah.
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Steelrails



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 09, 2011 5:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Do you ever have a clue as to what you're talking about?


Do you ever bother to look in the mirror before you cast stones at the people here?

Before I get in a tizzy about Korean people slurping soup in a Korean restaurant in Korea, I ask myself if there is anything I do that is considered "rude" by people here. Now do those people handle it with aplomb or do they whine and moan. Some handle it well, some don't.

I for one want to consider myself as someone who handles those things well and doesn't get all fire and brimstoney considering that I myself may be the culprit of numerous offenses.

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but others from the west may have grown up in an environment where table manners were taken very seriously.


What, the pizza place next to the frat house? Go there at Bar-Thirty and there's is every bit a slurping and a chomping.

I mean, we have ALL done the "eat a too hot bite of pizza and whistled to cool it while its in our mouths" thing. That's like slurping. In fact, its the same reason as slurping.

Why is that okay and why is slurping wrong? Because one is what we do. The other is what those Koreans do.

I have no problem calling out loud eaters in fine dining/western restaurants. That's equal opportunity. But when it comes to casual/drunk o'clock manners, come on. Look in the mirror before you judge.
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eamo



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 09, 2011 6:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I for one am not talking about slurping hot soup.......do it myself if the soup/tea/liquid is hot enough...

Nice try Steelrails, but I think most people who are bothered are bothered by the loud smacking caused by opening and closing the whole mouth while chewing solid food......and other associated eating noises.

If I did hear that from people in western eateries, any time of day or night, then I'd say those people were eating rudely as it goes against the etiquette and table manners that polite people follow.

So you can say that anyone at any time might do it......but that doesn't stop it being impolite.........then you might say do we have to be polite all the time? I know I'm not, but I should be. Especially outside my own house.
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Triban



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 09, 2011 6:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I personally think NOT closing your mouth while chewing food is irritating, but I also find it fairly idiotic.

Think of it this way. Do you spittle or partially chewed food to fly/fall from your mouth onto the table/floor/other people's food?

Do you want some foreign object to come into your open mouth while you eat, possibly swallowing said object?

What if an acid spitting dinosaur was at your table, and his acid only effected to esophagus. People who don't close their mouths while eating are screwed.

Also, it sounds/looks pretty gross. I am reminded of the children's joke "Do you like seafood? *open mouth* Haha, SEE. FOOD."

Closing your mouth while eating is not only easy, it is safe and pleasurable for all.
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Steelrails



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 09, 2011 6:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

eamo wrote:
I for one am not talking about slurping hot soup.......do it myself if the soup/tea/liquid is hot enough...

Nice try Steelrails, but I think most people who are bothered are bothered by the loud smacking caused by opening and closing the whole mouth while chewing solid food......and other associated eating noises.

If I did hear that from people in western eateries, any time of day or night, then I'd say those people were eating rudely as it goes against the etiquette and table manners that polite people follow.

So you can say that anyone at any time might do it......but that doesn't stop it being impolite.........then you might say do we have to be polite all the time? I know I'm not, but I should be. Especially outside my own house.


But whose politeness, ours or Koreans? In some Korean circles the slurping is polite.

Politeness and rudeness is defined by society, not the individual.

Western Eatery is one culture/society, Korean ShikDang is another.
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eamo



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 09, 2011 7:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Steelrails wrote:
eamo wrote:
I for one am not talking about slurping hot soup.......do it myself if the soup/tea/liquid is hot enough...

Nice try Steelrails, but I think most people who are bothered are bothered by the loud smacking caused by opening and closing the whole mouth while chewing solid food......and other associated eating noises.

If I did hear that from people in western eateries, any time of day or night, then I'd say those people were eating rudely as it goes against the etiquette and table manners that polite people follow.

So you can say that anyone at any time might do it......but that doesn't stop it being impolite.........then you might say do we have to be polite all the time? I know I'm not, but I should be. Especially outside my own house.


But whose politeness, ours or Koreans? In some Korean circles the slurping is polite.

Politeness and rudeness is defined by society, not the individual.

Western Eatery is one culture/society, Korean ShikDang is another.


Yeah, so, as I said before, the loud smacking sound is becoming more and more looked down upon in KOREAN society. They are redefining their own desirable eating manners......along with the other stuff I mentioned.

20 years ago in Korea, if you looked upset because the ajeossi next to you at the bus stop was spitting and smoking, people would have thought you picky and overly sensitive....what's the problem? All ajeossi's spit and smoke!!

But things change very quickly in Korea. Smoking next to non-smokers is seen as so offensive now that there's even legislation out to protect non-smokers.

The same thing with the mouth-smacking....it's going the same way.....in a few years only country bumpkins and defiantly coarse people will still be smacking when they eat.....

Whether this change in etiquette has come from simply wanting to copy western manners, or because Koreans themselves are just becoming more gentrified is up for debate.
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