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Weigookin74
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sorry, I'm not carrying my ARC around to lose it just so I can have an ID.
I don't need an ID. For what and for whom? I try to always carry as little as possible. I don't wear a wallet for e.g.
amazingly enough as the US has lurched toward fascism after 9-11, the civil libertarians have managed to at least temporarily delay the introduction of a mandatory national ID card.
if people here are required to have/carry one , that's a regulation I'll happily ignore just as I've always ignored it in every single other country. |
Carrying a wallet is kind of common sense. If you run out of money and need more or a random id, to use a credit card, etc. Why not carry a wallet? Put it in your front pocket and your ID is safe. Just common sense, as I said. Kind of stupid not to. |
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SeoulNate
Joined: 04 Jun 2010
Location: Hyehwa
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| Posted: Thu Jun 09, 2011 9:40 pm Post subject: |
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Since no one seems to be giving a serious reply, yes, there are some clubs in Hongdae that you MUST have a valid ARC or E-2 stamped passport to get in to if you are a foreigner, but that is a minority.
All you will need to do is look around a bit and find a place that will let you in, and those will not be hard to find. |
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rainism
Joined: 13 Apr 2011
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| Posted: Thu Jun 09, 2011 10:35 pm Post subject: |
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| northway wrote: |
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| 3) A lot of the clubs in Hongdae need to see an ARC to prove that you're not military. It's standard policy for everyone, males in particular, even if said males have hair down to their shoulders and couldn't possibly be military. |
Do those same clubs deny entry to members of the ROK military? |
Is this a serious question?
| rainism wrote: |
sorry, I'm not carrying my ARC around to lose it just so I can have an ID.
I don't need an ID. For what and for whom? I try to always carry as little as possible. I don't wear a wallet for e.g. |
Hongdae bouncers and the hospital once they toss your ass out for asking them why you need an ID? |
amigo, you must have me confused with someone else. I'm not about to get confrontational nor belligerent over a simple request for an ID. I'll just shrug and say I don't have one and they'll say sorry you can't get in and I'll ok thanks and walk away. Even given the fact it would take a bunch of them to put me in the hospital.
as a former bouncer I know how it works and how to deal with people, especially other bouncers.
and thanks SeoulNate for clearing up matters. I'll simply go where I don't have to deal with such nonsense. |
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rainism
Joined: 13 Apr 2011
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| Posted: Thu Jun 09, 2011 10:37 pm Post subject: |
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| Weigookin74 wrote: |
| rainism wrote: |
sorry, I'm not carrying my ARC around to lose it just so I can have an ID.
I don't need an ID. For what and for whom? I try to always carry as little as possible. I don't wear a wallet for e.g.
amazingly enough as the US has lurched toward fascism after 9-11, the civil libertarians have managed to at least temporarily delay the introduction of a mandatory national ID card.
if people here are required to have/carry one , that's a regulation I'll happily ignore just as I've always ignored it in every single other country. |
Carrying a wallet is kind of common sense. If you run out of money and need more or a random id, to use a credit card, etc. Why not carry a wallet? Put it in your front pocket and your ID is safe. Just common sense, as I said. Kind of stupid not to. |
yeah I understand, but I've never liked having one and have grown long accustomed to being without one. It's been easily 15 years without having one. Your points are well taken, it's just a personal preference. |
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rainism
Joined: 13 Apr 2011
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| Posted: Thu Jun 09, 2011 10:42 pm Post subject: |
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| rainism wrote: |
amazingly enough as the US has lurched toward fascism after 9-11, the civil libertarians have managed to at least temporarily delay the introduction of a mandatory national ID card.
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Nevermind. Guess it's not a law. Ahsaa. |
the fascisti tried. They failed, at least for the time being. They'd like to make you think it's a law.
so at least in this singular aspect the US can continue to call itself the "land of the free".
I keep my driver's license in the car for the most part and as a matter of principle refuse any request for an ID if I'm not driving ....though unfortunately now allowances have to be made if you want to enter a large important building and pass thru security. |
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rollo
Joined: 10 May 2006
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| Posted: Thu Jun 09, 2011 10:48 pm Post subject: |
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| its a good thing they do not require proof of I.Q. above 70, or some of the posters on here would be out of luck. The military is not banned, it is the U.S government who asks the clubs to keep out the military. yeah Korean beer joints asking for i.d. is proof the U.s. is marching toward fascism. |
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rainism
Joined: 13 Apr 2011
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| Posted: Thu Jun 09, 2011 10:55 pm Post subject: |
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| yeah Korean beer joints asking for i.d. is proof the U.s. is marching toward fascism. |
reading comprehension amigo.
the US march toward fascism has nothing to do with Korea or what's done or being asked in Korea.
It has everything to do with Goebbelsian names like the "Patriot" Act and the attempt to force a national ID card on everyone which would make make a mockery of the "freedoms" Americans so loudly like to tout.
(fact is Europeans are significantly more "free", but that's a topic for a different day and a different forum) |
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CentralCali
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| Posted: Thu Jun 09, 2011 11:10 pm Post subject: |
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| They're banned because they have a well deserved reputation for starting crap. By no means do I think that all or even a majority of US personnel based in Korea lean in this direction, but there are enough bad apples that I can understand where bars would just ban them rather than deal with the trouble their presence might bring. Bottom line is, foreign teachers are a lot less likely to start anything than military guys are, and even if they do, they're much easier to deal with than people who are trained fighters. |
That whole post of yours is completely ridiculous. |
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northway
Joined: 05 Jul 2010
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| Posted: Thu Jun 09, 2011 11:25 pm Post subject: |
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| rainism wrote: |
amigo, you must have me confused with someone else. I'm not about to get confrontational nor belligerent over a simple request for an ID. I'll just shrug and say I don't have one and they'll say sorry you can't get in and I'll ok thanks and walk away. Even given the fact it would take a bunch of them to put me in the hospital.
as a former bouncer I know how it works and how to deal with people, especially other bouncers.
and thanks SeoulNate for clearing up matters. I'll simply go where I don't have to deal with such nonsense. |
I was being facetious, but on a more serious note: if you intend to avoid places that require ID, you'll do just fine if you're looking for bars, but clubs are going to be a bit more difficult to find.
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| They're banned because they have a well deserved reputation for starting crap. By no means do I think that all or even a majority of US personnel based in Korea lean in this direction, but there are enough bad apples that I can understand where bars would just ban them rather than deal with the trouble their presence might bring. Bottom line is, foreign teachers are a lot less likely to start anything than military guys are, and even if they do, they're much easier to deal with than people who are trained fighters. |
That whole post of yours is completely ridiculous. |
Been here since 2007 and haven't been out to Hongdae/Itaewon much, I take it? |
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rainism
Joined: 13 Apr 2011
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| Posted: Thu Jun 09, 2011 11:35 pm Post subject: |
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I was being facetious, but on a more serious note: if you intend to avoid places that require ID, you'll do just fine if you're looking for bars, but clubs are going to be a bit more difficult to find.
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appreciate the heads up. |
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CentralCali
Joined: 17 May 2007
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| Posted: Thu Jun 09, 2011 11:46 pm Post subject: |
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| northway wrote: |
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| That whole post of yours is completely ridiculous. |
Been here since 2007 and haven't been out to Hongdae/Itaewon much, I take it? |
I first came to South Korea in 1977, left in 1979, and returned in 2005. Been here since then and have been to both areas more than a few times. |
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northway
Joined: 05 Jul 2010
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| Posted: Fri Jun 10, 2011 4:51 pm Post subject: |
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| CentralCali wrote: |
| northway wrote: |
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| That whole post of yours is completely ridiculous. |
Been here since 2007 and haven't been out to Hongdae/Itaewon much, I take it? |
I first came to South Korea in 1977, left in 1979, and returned in 2005. Been here since then and have been to both areas more than a few times. |
I don't want to get in a piss on the military contest here, as I've met a lot of cool military guys and support what they're doing in general, but I've also encountered a level of aggression from military folks that I haven't encountered from English teachers, mostly involving girls and race.
I think you also need to realize how girls factor into this. You can call BS all you want, but military guys do tend to be a bit aggressive with women, and I can say a lot of the Korean girls I know want to avoid US military due to how pushy they can be. I do think the military bans are due to clientele to some degree, as clubs don't want to be full of guys that their clients don't want to be bothered by.
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I was being facetious, but on a more serious note: if you intend to avoid places that require ID, you'll do just fine if you're looking for bars, but clubs are going to be a bit more difficult to find.
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appreciate the heads up. |
Unless you're operating from a strictly ideological standpoint, just carry a photocopy of your passport.
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Fri Jun 10, 2011 5:14 pm Post subject: |
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| rainism wrote: |
| [amigo, you must have me confused with someone else. I'm not about to get confrontational nor belligerent over a simple request for an ID. . . |
Just to point out something here. I know you are talking about clubs. However be aware that any cop on the street here has the power to ask for your ID, and if you are not carrying your ARC...that's a 100,000 won fine.
Sure this is very unlikely in the extreme to happen. I've been here 10 years and only been asked to show ID twice. Both times however I had my ARC with me which they gave a cursory inspection and then waved me on. But accidents do happen...it's also proof that you are a registered foreigner here and not an illegal alien. |
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nate1983
Joined: 30 Mar 2008
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| Posted: Fri Jun 10, 2011 5:21 pm Post subject: |
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| northway wrote: |
| CentralCali wrote: |
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| That whole post of yours is completely ridiculous. |
Been here since 2007 and haven't been out to Hongdae/Itaewon much, I take it? |
I first came to South Korea in 1977, left in 1979, and returned in 2005. Been here since then and have been to both areas more than a few times. |
I don't want to get in a piss on the military contest here, as I've met a lot of cool military guys and support what they're doing in general, but I've also encountered a level of aggression from military folks that I haven't encountered from English teachers, mostly involving girls and race.
I think you also need to realize how girls factor into this. You can call BS all you want, but military guys do tend to be a bit aggressive with women, and I can say a lot of the Korean girls I know want to avoid US military due to how pushy they can be. I do think the military bans are due to clientele to some degree, as clubs don't want to be full of guys that their clients don't want to be bothered by.
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I was being facetious, but on a more serious note: if you intend to avoid places that require ID, you'll do just fine if you're looking for bars, but clubs are going to be a bit more difficult to find.
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appreciate the heads up. |
Unless you're operating on a strictly ideological standpoint, just carry a photocopy of your passport. |
What exactly does the passport establish that a driver's license doesn't? I don't really like carrying my passport around at night, especially when it's got visas I need in it...I don't have an ARC anymore which I always used to carry, but I'll be coming through Korea in a couple weeks for work and was planning on maybe hitting up some Hongdae clubs (the kind that card) - what's the verdict on whether my US driver's license will be okay? |
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fermentation
Joined: 22 Jun 2009
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| Posted: Fri Jun 10, 2011 8:28 pm Post subject: |
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| I've been only carded once here. They said I looked like a highschool student. I was 22 at the time. Whatever I took it as a compliment. |
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