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NYC_Gal 2.0
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I spent a LOT of time planning great lessons with a friend of mine. He's a powerpoint whiz, and I had great ideas for activities, so, between the two of us, we came up with some great stuff. His school let him use it. Mine kept me as a tape recorder.
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PPT games/activities are not the answer. I've watched lots of Korean teachers and teacher centred games on PPT they control from the front of the class, is something they've been universally great at. What they can't do is set up good interesting speaking activities that the kids can do in pairs and groups. |
I didn't say I only used PPT games and activities. I said that between the two of us, we came up with some great stuff.
My coteachers wanted to use the CD and the CD only. Most of my powerpoints and other materials that weren't computer-centric were for group games or pairwork. You're thinking of typhoon and the bomb game. There are far more things that can be done with this here newfangled technology. Don't assume.  |
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Fishead soup
Joined: 24 Jun 2007
Location: Korea
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| Posted: Sun Jun 12, 2011 5:21 pm Post subject: |
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I spent a LOT of time planning great lessons with a friend of mine. He's a powerpoint whiz, and I had great ideas for activities, so, between the two of us, we came up with some great stuff. His school let him use it. Mine kept me as a tape recorder.
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PPT games/activities are not the answer. I've watched lots of Korean teachers and teacher centred games on PPT they control from the front of the class, is something they've been universally great at. What they can't do is set up good interesting speaking activities that the kids can do in pairs and groups. |
I didn't say I only used PPT games and activities. I said that between the two of us, we came up with some great stuff.
My coteachers wanted to use the CD and the CD only. Most of my powerpoints and other materials that weren't computer-centric were for group games or pairwork. You're thinking of typhoon and the bomb game. There are far more things that can be done with this here newfangled technology. Don't assume. |
The stuff from Waygook is great. The other day I used one with pictures of Girls Generation and Miss A. The students loved it. I had total control too. With my higher level groups I use a lot of Andrew Finch type stuff.
Surveys and Peer dictations and lots of cool Korean traditional pictures |
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winterfall
Joined: 21 May 2009
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| Posted: Sun Jun 12, 2011 5:59 pm Post subject: |
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I've heard that SMOE will not be hiring new high school FTs this year - in part due to changes in the college exam - but also due to what Koreans think of the value of the FTs.
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I haven't heard anything about this. SMOE hired about 306 this year with 370 open spots. (I saved a copy of EPIK's spreadsheet)
https://spreadsheets1.google.com/ccc?key=tt_vaPpfOA182W26XARvGIg&authkey=CJKrwIoF&hl=ko&authkey=CJKrwIoF#gid=0
Really surprised by this, that means everyone's going to middle and elementary schools. |
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ippy
Joined: 25 Aug 2009
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| Posted: Sun Jun 12, 2011 6:19 pm Post subject: |
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| where on earth is this juicy gossip. This thread is a massive disappointment. I LOVE gossip! Even if said gossip is about me. Instead im treated to more threads about how to teach properly. Not that i dont appreciate the advice, but i came to this thread for the popcorn drama of it all and have been left wanting! |
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Fishead soup
Joined: 24 Jun 2007
Location: Korea
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| Posted: Sun Jun 12, 2011 6:32 pm Post subject: |
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| where on earth is this juicy gossip. This thread is a massive disappointment. I LOVE gossip! Even if said gossip is about me. Instead im treated to more threads about how to teach properly. Not that i dont appreciate the advice, but i came to this thread for the popcorn drama of it all and have been left wanting! |
Lots of these drama's come from the GEPIK EPIK programs. Epik was first formed just so the Korean goverenment could dodge out of paying the last months bonus. EPIK used to hire for Gyounggi do before it was Gepik. They were famous for
(1) The eleven month contract to escape having to pay the bonus
(2) Gyouggi do Epik was famous for leading people on telling them they could re-new and then pulling the contract out from under their legs at the last minute.
(3) A teachers training centre in Pyongteck used to make the teachers live in tiny room dormatories. Every year they had to recuit from EPIK. Every year a Korean American had to phone people and hire them to work at the teachers centre no one wanted to work there.
If you can't do TEACH! If you can't teach Teach teachers. Generally if you failed at your school they would send you to he yunsuwon to teach. teachers. It got to point when they couldn't get anyone to volunteer. People whould show up to the job so pissed off. |
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edwardcatflap
Joined: 22 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Sun Jun 12, 2011 7:18 pm Post subject: |
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| The stuff from Waygook is great. The other day I used one with pictures of Girls Generation and Miss A. The students loved it. |
Am I the only person who thinks some kind of effort should be made to teach English through the culture of the countries of origin? Every time I watch a Korean teacher in class they're showing pictures of Yoona Kim, Rain, Park Ji Sun etc.. etc.. etc.. Don't the kids ever get bored of seeing the same people recycled again and again and again?. And where�s the context based element of language if G Dragon from Big Bang is having a conversation with Park Tae-hwan about their weekly schedule in English. I mean I know people will say it�s what the kids are interested in and all that but they could at least try and introduce a few foreign celebrities into the mix. I�m pretty sure we never had dialogues between English pop stars in our French lessons at school. Even if the kids have never heard of them, you can introduce them to them, broaden their perspectives a bit. |
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TeacherinDeajeon
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[quote="edwardcatflap"]
Am I the only person who thinks some kind of effort should be made to teach English through the culture of the countries of origin?
I do. I have always used the enthusiasm they have for their own cultural traditions as a springboard to appreciating other cultures by accentuating cultural similarities and fostering a curiosity about cultural differences.
Every time I watch a Korean teacher in class they're showing pictures of Yoona Kim, Rain, Park Ji Sun etc.. etc.. etc.. Don't the kids ever get bored of seeing the same people recycled again and again and again?.
No, they don't. Of all my years, any reference to Korea, or Korean traditional ....., will induce orgasmic delight, even if repeated ad nauseum.
I mean I know people will say it�s what the kids are interested in and all that but they could at least try and introduce a few foreign celebrities into the mix.
Well, you could, but the problem is that foreign celebrities are not Korean. You may get a few students who show an interest in things outside of Korea, and I have had the privilege of teaching a few. I had one student who knew the complete works of Simon & Garfunkle, we had some interesting conversations.
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rainism
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| Am I the only person who thinks some kind of effort should be made to teach English through the culture of the countries of origin? |
this is one of the new lingustic theories. Every couple of years you get a new hot one so the linguists can justify their existence.
Personally I'm extremely skeptical that teaching thru a prism of cultural origin is all that necessary to learn the language (as some of these linguists believe)
However, I do think it's useful to introduce and familiarize the students with elements of my culture, especially ones they may find interesting and relevant (lady gaga for instance etc).
That said, I agree with the above poster that no matter how familiar the students may be with Korean celebrities, a near orgasmic reaction is produced when they're the topic or examples in the lesson.
since my main focus is to stimulate student interest and facilitate conversation, I focus on the Korean stuff and mix in American/other stuff as warranted. |
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edwardcatflap
Joined: 22 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Sun Jun 12, 2011 10:35 pm Post subject: |
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this is one of the new lingustic theories. Every couple of years you get a new hot one so the linguists can justify their existence.
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Is it? I thought it was just common sense. Haven't we always learned like this. I'm pretty sure when I was learning French at school we learned the French for things like 'high' by looking at a picture of the Eiffel tower rather than Big Ben. Dialogues consisted of two guys in berets eating croissants in a pavement cafe rather than two guys with pints of bitter in a pub. |
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Highwayman
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| Posted: Sun Jun 12, 2011 10:38 pm Post subject: |
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| When are we going to get these stories then? |
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Weigookin74
Joined: 26 Oct 2009
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| Posted: Sun Jun 12, 2011 11:04 pm Post subject: |
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| Fishead soup wrote: |
| ippy wrote: |
| where on earth is this juicy gossip. This thread is a massive disappointment. I LOVE gossip! Even if said gossip is about me. Instead im treated to more threads about how to teach properly. Not that i dont appreciate the advice, but i came to this thread for the popcorn drama of it all and have been left wanting! |
Lots of these drama's come from the GEPIK EPIK programs. Epik was first formed just so the Korean goverenment could dodge out of paying the last months bonus. EPIK used to hire for Gyounggi do before it was Gepik. They were famous for
(1) The eleven month contract to escape having to pay the bonus
(2) Gyouggi do Epik was famous for leading people on telling them they could re-new and then pulling the contract out from under their legs at the last minute.
(3) A teachers training centre in Pyongteck used to make the teachers live in tiny room dormatories. Every year they had to recuit from EPIK. Every year a Korean American had to phone people and hire them to work at the teachers centre no one wanted to work there.
If you can't do TEACH! If you can't teach Teach teachers. Generally if you failed at your school they would send you to he yunsuwon to teach. teachers. It got to point when they couldn't get anyone to volunteer. People whould show up to the job so pissed off. |
I've worked EPIK for more than 4 years. Every year, I get the severance and renewal allowance (or before flight re-imbursement). Never heard of anyone getting the boot at 11 months. |
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rainism
Joined: 13 Apr 2011
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| Posted: Sun Jun 12, 2011 11:27 pm Post subject: |
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this is one of the new lingustic theories. Every couple of years you get a new hot one so the linguists can justify their existence.
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Is it? I thought it was just common sense. Haven't we always learned like this. I'm pretty sure when I was learning French at school we learned the French for things like 'high' by looking at a picture of the Eiffel tower rather than Big Ben. Dialogues consisted of two guys in berets eating croissants in a pavement cafe rather than two guys with pints of bitter in a pub. |
did you need to see the Eiffel to learn the word high and did you need guys in black turtlenecks, scarves and berets to learn a simple dialogue?
I claim nay, though personally I'm always curious about the cultural backdrop. Bottom line is that it's a nice accessory, but not absolutely necessary. |
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shifter2009
Joined: 03 Sep 2006
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| Man, that was an awesome troll. Just mention horror stories coming soon and BAM off to the races....... |
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edwardcatflap
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| Posted: Sun Jun 12, 2011 11:55 pm Post subject: |
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did you need to see the Eiffel to learn the word high and did you need guys in black turtlenecks, scarves and berets to learn a simple dialogue?
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No you don't need pictures of French things to learn a dialogue in the same way as you don't need pictures of anything. or a course book or a teacher for that matter. The idea is that you make learning a language more interesting by placing it in a cultural setting so students can picture the dialogue taking place in a certain place among cetain people as it actually happens in real life. All these things make the learner more likely to want to learn. You can also actually teach them about other ways of life and stuff that isn't what they already know about. Of course if people think Korean kids are unable to react to anything else apart from their own cultural references, then you may have to motivate them in this way just to get through a lesson. I'm willing to concede that, I just think it's a shame and a state worth trying to change. |
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Fishead soup
Joined: 24 Jun 2007
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| Posted: Mon Jun 13, 2011 8:19 pm Post subject: |
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You want some juicy stories well here they are.
Foreign teacher was told by her elementary school they did not want to re-new her becouse of her health was poor. This is code for we want a sexy hot looking Jennifer Gomes teacher |
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