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SNOTOSEOUL
Joined: 12 Apr 2010
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 Posted: Mon Jun 13, 2011 3:42 am Post subject: 2011 Daegu Foreign Teachers Seminar |
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My hagwon said i have to go. I went last year. For those of you here last year, you all know why i don't feel the need to do it again. in the past year i hhave not done drugs, raped the police officers daughter, and i still have an e-2 visa, and i even made it a year with out a costco card.
The paper i got said under article 21, subsection 3 it is mandatory that i go. 친자? Is it really mandatory? Daegu is the only city that does this. Plus if i got the stamp last year..............
Anyways, what do you think? |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Mon Jun 13, 2011 8:51 pm Post subject: Re: 2011 Daegu Foreign Teachers Seminar |
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| SNOTOSEOUL wrote: |
My hagwon said i have to go. I went last year. For those of you here last year, you all know why i don't feel the need to do it again. in the past year i hhave not done drugs, raped the police officers daughter, and i still have an e-2 visa, and i even made it a year with out a costco card.
The paper i got said under article 21, subsection 3 it is mandatory that i go. 친자? Is it really mandatory? Daegu is the only city that does this. Plus if i got the stamp last year..............
Anyways, what do you think? |
This is a hakwon? Then SNIP. |
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SNOTOSEOUL
Joined: 12 Apr 2010
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| Posted: Mon Jun 13, 2011 10:08 pm Post subject: |
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| SNIP? |
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natalia930
Joined: 02 Aug 2010
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| Posted: Tue Jun 14, 2011 12:46 am Post subject: |
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Smile Nod Ignore Procede
Except, Urban Myth, that we've been given this registration form that we are supposed to bring and get stamped...it seems like one copy will go to whomever is putting this stupid thing on, and the other we keep to give to our school.
*I* want to know how mandatory it is. We've been given less than a week's notice (rude, dynamic korea), and I have plans to be out of town, AND i'm leaving in 6 weeks anyways. I really don't see the point in going, unless somehow not going will severely screw me over. |
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Zackback
Joined: 05 Nov 2010
Location: Kyungbuk
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| Posted: Tue Jun 14, 2011 1:09 am Post subject: |
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I went to one in Gumi last November. I was given a 1 day notice  |
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different
Joined: 22 May 2003
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| Posted: Tue Jun 14, 2011 5:14 am Post subject: |
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| WTF? All teachers in Daegu have to go to this? The government is making all the teachers in Daegu go to this? Am I reading this correctly? |
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SNOTOSEOUL
Joined: 12 Apr 2010
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| Posted: Tue Jun 14, 2011 6:25 am Post subject: |
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| All teachers who teach at private institutions. So not Epik. |
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WadRUG'naDoo
Joined: 15 Jun 2010
Location: Shanghai
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| Posted: Tue Jun 14, 2011 6:34 am Post subject: |
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| Go or don't go. Probably won't make a difference either way. "You didn't go." "I'm sorry. I was sick/forgot/whatever." Go and leave after five minutes and say you have diarrhea. Options are endless here. |
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ontheway
Joined: 24 Aug 2005
Location: Somewhere under the rainbow...
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| Posted: Tue Jun 14, 2011 7:23 am Post subject: |
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There have been threads on these meetings just about every year.
The teachers' training meetings are required by law for all hogwan teachers. There are meetings for the Korean teachers, hogwan owners, and E2 English, Japanese and Chinese teachers. These are held all over Korea. Of course, only legally registered teachers have to go, so this is where you can find out if you are registered and if your school is following all the rules. Chances are that if you don't have to go to one of these meetings every year, you are not fully registered as a legal E2 teacher. English teachers on F visas have to attend with the Korean English teachers, if they are legally registered with the local education office as teachers at any particular school.
The fines for not attending are large. Fines are imposed on the school and your employer is expected to deduct the fine from your pay. In addition, your school will earn negative rating points, which impact the school's license to operate, if you fail to attend, although they might be able to avoid these by firing the offending teacher.
It is possible to duck out early once you've been registered as attending, but don't skip this meeting. Yes, the meetings are useless and annoying, and they are just as useless and annoying for the Korean teachers at your school. They rarely announce the date and location of the meetings more than a week in advance. Consider this as another kind of tax, imposed by the government against your time. This is just one more annoying requirement on teachers imposed by the government. |
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different
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| Posted: Tue Jun 14, 2011 7:51 am Post subject: |
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| Really? Since when? I have NEVER heard of this before. |
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SNOTOSEOUL
Joined: 12 Apr 2010
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| Posted: Tue Jun 14, 2011 8:16 am Post subject: |
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| ontheway wrote: |
There have been threads on these meetings just about every year.
The teachers' training meetings are required by law for all hogwan teachers. There are meetings for the Korean teachers, hogwan owners, and E2 English, Japanese and Chinese teachers. These are held all over Korea. Of course, only legally registered teachers have to go, so this is where you can find out if you are registered and if your school is following all the rules. Chances are that if you don't have to go to one of these meetings every year, you are not fully registered as a legal E2 teacher. English teachers on F visas have to attend with the Korean English teachers, if they are legally registered with the local education office as teachers at any particular school.
The fines for not attending are large. Fines are imposed on the school and your employer is expected to deduct the fine from your pay. In addition, your school will earn negative rating points, which impact the school's license to operate, if you fail to attend, although they might be able to avoid these by firing the offending teacher.
It is possible to duck out early once you've been registered as attending, but don't skip this meeting. Yes, the meetings are useless and annoying, and they are just as useless and annoying for the Korean teachers at your school. They rarely announce the date and location of the meetings more than a week in advance. Consider this as another kind of tax, imposed by the government against your time. This is just one more annoying requirement on teachers imposed by the government. |
Have you ever heard of anyone who didn't go and faced consequences? I have a buddy who skipped last year's seminar and nothing happened. Another friend skipped but the co-workers got the stamp for him.
and this is the 2nd annual, according to the memo, and the fact that last years was the first. |
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ontheway
Joined: 24 Aug 2005
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| Posted: Tue Jun 14, 2011 10:44 am Post subject: |
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Have you ever heard of anyone who didn't go and faced consequences? I have a buddy who skipped last year's seminar and nothing happened. Another friend skipped but the co-workers got the stamp for him.
and this is the 2nd annual, according to the memo, and the fact that last years was the first. |
Yes, I've heard of teachers being fined. In one case, the school forgot to notify the teacher about the meeting, so the school paid a fine of 100,000 won. (That school went out of business shortly thereafter due to its incompetent management, the meeting being another symptom.) In another case, the teacher was allowed to attend a later meeting in another city to avoid a fine. In another case the teacher was allowed to submit the required attendance form and fee a couple of days late ("We're really sorry for the confusion, he was there, he must not have noticed the registration table.").
It's possible to skip the seminar if someone is able to submit the form and the payment on behalf the teacher. The officials use the names on the forms submitted to match against a list of required attendees to determine who has missed the meeting. It's possible that in some cases they never follow up on who attended, especially in the case of the disorganization that follows a first annual event. It's possible to pay and submit the form later without attending if one has the right connections. Many E2 teachers are not on the required attendance list because they are not legally registered with the local Education office.
These seminars are not held in every city. They are held all over Korea in a variety of locations - it wouldn't be possible to do it in every little town. Teachers who live in a city or town without a meeteing are required to attend in some other location, often at a distance. In some areas teachers are not required to go if there is no convenient meeting site. So, attendance doesn't seem to be required for 100% of the legally registered teachers, at least not yet. Being the 2nd annual such meeting in Dageu means either that Dageu teachers were either previously exempt or previously required to go to an alternate location. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Tue Jun 14, 2011 2:45 pm Post subject: |
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There have been threads on these meetings just about every year.
The teachers' training meetings are required by law for all hogwan teachers. There are meetings for the Korean teachers, hogwan owners, and E2 English, Japanese and Chinese teachers. These are held all over Korea. Of course, only legally registered teachers have to go, so this is where you can find out if you are registered and if your school is following all the rules. Chances are that if you don't have to go to one of these meetings every year, you are not fully registered as a legal E2 teacher. . |
I never attended one of these when I was a hakwon teacher...and yes I was fully registered with the tax and pension offices for at least 2 of these jobs. Also with Immigration.
So I'm thinking that this is a rather new requirement. |
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natalia930
Joined: 02 Aug 2010
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| Posted: Tue Jun 14, 2011 3:54 pm Post subject: |
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| I've also heard that if you have less than 6 months left on your visa you don't have to go. Can anyone confirm this? |
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SNOTOSEOUL
Joined: 12 Apr 2010
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| Posted: Wed Jun 15, 2011 3:44 am Post subject: |
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My hagwon owner said that the 2 teachers leaving in 6 weeks must go. And that I also must go (even though I have gone once before). He said the information has changed. The only difference I see on the sheet is...
1. No EMS shipping post man. (hilarious last year).
2. Taekwondo demo (right on).
3. A different expat band jamming out (contributing to us wasting our time).
Also, last year it went over time. This year looks like horrible scheduling too. In a half hour segment they expect to fit in.
a. A traditional Korean Dance (aka the hanbok tip-toe shuffle)
b. A poetry reading
c. A Korean story reading
d. A saxaphone duet. 3 separate songs.
I don't think that'll fit into 30 min. |
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