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sigmundsmith
Joined: 22 Nov 2007
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The word here or hear is not in my OP so I don't know exactly what you are talking about.
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*sigh* Yes, it is. But this is now the third time it's been pointed out, so just forget about it. |
OK whoops yep I see where I went wrong with my incorrect word (OP written 2am after a few drinks so in general not bad grammar anyway).
But alas, yours and other responses havent really addressed issue but more so reflected the actual topic.
No problem. That is expected. |
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Stout
Joined: 28 May 2011
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| Posted: Sun Jun 12, 2011 6:11 am Post subject: |
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| My comment was actually directed to Gem's assertion that the existence of all ESL jobs in Korea are due to the presence of the US military, and that if not for the US military this peninsula would be a part of China. |
And again you read but you didnt comprehend. They were referring to where the base should be moved to. Not as an individual moving to another country (like China) to work. |
Wow, I think you need to read it again-
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gem Posted: Sat Jun 11, 2011 5:13 pm Post subject:
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The main reason you have a job here is because of the US military. There would be no Korea without US military protection. You'd be in China or North Korea right now or back home unemployed and whining about something else, so suck it up and deal.
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He is isn't refering to where the base should be moved to. Not only are you the one who doesn't comprehend (you also managed to miss what murmanjake was talking about), you are way too excitable to keep things on a manageable level of perspective. Cool down, chill out, learn some Korean (some of the natives hate the K-pop as much as you, believe it or not), you may as well try to make your existence here a little more pleasant.
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gem
Joined: 06 Dec 2010
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| Posted: Sun Jun 12, 2011 7:34 am Post subject: Re: Thank God it will Eventually move |
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So after midnight walking do the main road of Itaewon is about 5 (I assume grunts from the military). Why do I assume? Because as they are marching they are ranting at the top of their lungs ( I cant put it into words but I think everyone knows what I mean). So these gentlemen stomping towards the center of Itaewon and a Police car is pulled over to the side of the road. Not because of them. They are just off to the side of the road. And the next thing you know these guys are pointing and yelling at them.
Now before you start going: Hey if we left what would happen to them? Ask youself this. If Korean soldiers were walking down LA or Chicago acting like these idiots what would people say?
I cant wait for the base to be moved. I want a normal life and not be associated with idiots like this.
People treat this place as a toilet. No wonder we are seen as we are. Soldiers and one yearers being idiots.
Actually, some people hear have a stake in what they are doing.
Now please start bashing me. But if the Bristish were in your town acting like idiots etc would that be ok? |
I took this post to mean he was ranting about the US military. Am I wrong? The US military is actually your friend! They make it possible for you all to thrive in this weak, "modern, emerging" excuse for a country. Deal or leave. Whatever. |
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sligo
Joined: 15 Oct 2008
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| Posted: Sun Jun 12, 2011 7:10 pm Post subject: |
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| My comment was actually directed to Gem's assertion that the existence of all ESL jobs in Korea are due to the presence of the US military, and that if not for the US military this peninsula would be a part of China. |
And again you read but you didnt comprehend. They were referring to where the base should be moved to. Not as an individual moving to another country (like China) to work.
From nuke day who joined Eslcafe last year:
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And THIS got you all riled up? Really? That's all it takes?
Hell, I was in a hof with glass mugs and soju bottles being thrown by Koreans and had to go home because somehow I got blood on my pants. Thank god there were no soldiers in there.
I don't like being associated with pantywaists and people infatuated with the nearly nonexistent traditional culture of Korea, or the backwash that is Korean pop culture, but a paycheck is a paycheck. |
Your comments are quite strange. You are living in a country that is by essence infatuated with the "nonexistent traditional culture, or K-pop and you don't want to be associated with that. Well, sorry to say that this is the country. If you don't like that then maybe you should move on.
And again, you have only been here for a short time so you have a lot to learn. But we are put into a different basket and scrutinized by Korean society. But when idiots act up like this (and these are idiots who are temporary) that reflects bad on all of us.
But I escaped behavior like this from back home - loud mouth obnoxious idiots who think they own the world with no regard for others. So if you say that it gets me riled up is behavior like this, yes. Whether foreign or Korean. But guess what, the foreign idiots stand out more and guess what that reflects bad on us all. |
Almost as bad as arrogant pontificating idiots who believe that a few more years experience means the right to a louder voice (how very Korean of you!) I will not say how long i have been here, only that i joined this site some time later. Instead of taking dates as times of joining this site, you assume that this the entire span of people's time here. I have been here longer than most people i know, but i don't believe this removes any right from a newer person of a chance to talk about what they see. Are you telling me you accepted everything as "the local norm" when you first arrived? It is by describing disbelief at a situation, that people can find out why said situation happened. Be this why people feel the need to spit in ashtrays whilst they smoke, or on a deeper note, why the presence of the military is seen as offensive to Korean people. |
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Zyzyfer
Joined: 29 Jan 2003
Location: who, what, where, when, why, how?
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| Posted: Sun Jun 12, 2011 8:52 pm Post subject: |
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| Instead of taking dates as times of joining this site, you assume that this the entire span of people's time here. |
No way! We all came running straight to this board as soon as we got off the phone with the recruiter!
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sigmundsmith: I think instead of dancing around the issue that seeing some soldiers horsing around makes you feel conflicted about how locals view you (nice sidestep as everyone will focus on the military bashing), and subsequently mention that only Julius has provided a thoughtful response - which judging by the response means you're looking for...suggestions...? - why not make some suggestions about how long-terms can come together? I mean, it has become relatively easy for the F-2 community to pool their resources and intel, and having been here a while myself yet lacking the fabled golden egg F visa, I sometimes wonder how single long-termers can also work together to greater benefit ourselves.
But I have the suspicion you just wanted to gripe about stupid people.  |
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Xylox
Joined: 09 Jul 2010
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| Posted: Tue Jun 14, 2011 10:22 am Post subject: |
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| I've heard Koreans yelling in the middle of the night, and have seen elderly couples stumbling home at 4am. Do you rant and rave about them also, or just chalk it up to "gotta get used to Korean life!" while slamming on foreigners? |
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Died By Bear
Joined: 13 Jul 2010
Location: On the big lake they call Gitche Gumee
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| Posted: Tue Jun 14, 2011 4:22 pm Post subject: |
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| Today is the Army's birthday! HAPPY BIRTHDAY ARMY!! |
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toadkillerdog
Joined: 11 Nov 2009
Location: Daejeon. ROK
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| Posted: Wed Jun 15, 2011 1:29 am Post subject: |
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| By and large I find the ESL community acting far worse than the military ever would/could. |
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myenglishisno
Joined: 08 Mar 2011
Location: Geumchon
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| Posted: Wed Jun 15, 2011 3:35 am Post subject: |
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| The main reason you have a job here is because of the US military. There would be no Korea without US military protection. You'd be in China or North Korea right now or back home unemployed and whining about something else, so suck it up and deal. |
I hate when people say crap like this. Just because they did something a really long time ago doesn't mean we have to smile and tolerate all their BS.
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| By and large I find the ESL community acting far worse than the military ever would/could. |
While this is true, the younger soldiers (under 25ish) behave far worse than even the worst ESL teachers. I've heard stories on here and from friends of soldiers loitering and yelling insults at passerbys and I remember reading about people getting tripped/shoved or just insulted by grunts for no reason while they were going about their business.
Say what you will about English teachers, they never do stuff like this. That and we're not all concentrated in one area where we can play off each other in all the wrong ways.
Let's put it this way: one group has a university degree and a clean background. This doesn't guarantee much but it's a standard.
The other group is full of high school dropouts and people from areas of low socio-economic status that probably had a lot of brushes with jail time and saw the army as their ticket out.
The former group works with children and drinks out of boredom which can lead to some hijinx.
The latter group are trained soldiers who get encouraged to be the personification of testosterone. They get physically built up and mentally beaten down throughout their working life. After being deployed to Korea, presumably after some duration of the army lifestyle where they're basically wound up as much as possible and taught to be extremely aggressive, Uncle Sam gives them money, tells them to "go play!" and let's them loose downtown at exactly the same time.
Oh yeah, and a large chunk of them are still teenagers.
Which group do you think would behave worse, overall?
You'd like to think it's English teachers because we're a bunch of self-hating whiners but I highly doubt we even hold a candle to what the soldiers are capable of. Especially since the new visa regulations came into effect. |
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Julius
Joined: 27 Jul 2006
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| While this is true, the younger soldiers (under 25ish) behave far worse than even the worst ESL teachers. I've heard stories on here and from friends of soldiers loitering and yelling insults at passerbys and I remember reading about people getting tripped/shoved or just insulted by grunts for no reason while they were going about their business. |
Everytime I've seen american soldiers in a group at the weekends, I've seen this kind of behaviour.
its no wonder you had anti-american demonstrations here.
Personally i think that SOFA should be revoked and misbehaving american soldiers be subjected to the Korean justice system. The same way foreign teachers are.
Being Korea's military shield does not give you the right to insult and rile up the people you are supposed to be defending. Any soldier that behaves in this obnoxious way is not a patriot, they are losers tarnishing the reputation of their country. In any case it seems obvious they did not join the army out of some noble ideal of service.
What is the point of having a free country, if the result is that most of your citizens behave like obnoxious idots? |
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Stout
Joined: 28 May 2011
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| Posted: Wed Jun 15, 2011 5:30 am Post subject: |
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| While this is true, the younger soldiers (under 25ish) behave far worse than even the worst ESL teachers. I've heard stories on here and from friends of soldiers loitering and yelling insults at passerbys and I remember reading about people getting tripped/shoved or just insulted by grunts for no reason while they were going about their business. |
Everytime I've seen american soldiers in a group at the weekends, I've seen this kind of behaviour.
its no wonder you had anti-american demonstrations here.
Personally i think that SOFA should be revoked and misbehaving american soldiers be subjected to the Korean justice system. The same way foreign teachers are.
Being Korea's military shield does not give you the right to insult and rile up the people you are supposed to be defending. Any soldier that behaves in this obnoxious way is not a patriot, they are losers tarnishing the reputation of their country. In any case it seems obvious they did not join the army out of some noble ideal of service. |
Any of those guys around any more? In today's *bling bling* world you get labeled a sucker if you profess having those type of sentiments, it seems to me, 'course maybe I'm overstating things |
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CentralCali
Joined: 17 May 2007
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| Posted: Wed Jun 15, 2011 9:22 am Post subject: |
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| Personally i think that SOFA should be revoked and misbehaving american soldiers be subjected to the Korean justice system. The same way foreign teachers are. |
American soldiers are subject to the Korean justice system, in addition to being subject to the US military justice system. There are even some American soldiers who have served time in Korean prison. If you're interested in facts, you can always check the latest 8th US Army judicial report, which includes these results:
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Results of ROK Criminal Prosecutions for May 2011
In Suwon District Court on 3 May 2011, PFC Joshua L. Martin, 557th MP Company, USAG-Humphreys, was convicted of DUI. His adjudged sentence was a 3,000,000 Won fine.
In Suwon District Court on 3 May 2011, SFC Anita R. Faust, HSC, 3d MI Battalion, USAG-Humphreys, was convicted of DUI. Her adjudged sentence was a 3,000,000 Won fine.
In Suwon District Court on 3 May 2011, SPC Ari A. Floyd, 501st Signal Company, USAG-Humphreys, was convicted of traffic law violations. His adjudged sentence was a 3,000,000 Won fine.
In Uijeongbu District Court on 6 May 2011, SPC Dennis J. Randle, 46th Transportation Company, USAG-Red Cloud, was convicted of DUI. His adjudged sentence was a 1,000,000 Won fine.
In Seoul Central District Court on 6 May 2011, PFC Timothy R. Greenage, 362d Signal Company, USAG-Yongsan, was convicted of Infliction of Bodily Injury. His adjudged sentence was a 1,500,000 Won fine.
In Uijeongbu District Court on 6 May 2011, SGT Marvin R. Tindle, HHC, STB-K (J-63), USAG-Yongsan, was convicted of DUI. His adjudged sentence was a 1,500,000 Won fine.
In Uijeongbu District Court on 6 May 2011, SSG Donald L. Melendy, HHC, 1/72d Armor, USAG-Casey, was convicted of DUI. His adjudged sentence was a 700,000 Won fine.
In Seoul Central District Court on 6 May 2011, PFC Jeffery C. Bryant, 595th Maintenance Company, was convicted of traffic law violations. His adjudged sentence was a 1,500,000 Won fine.
In Seoul Central District Court on 6 May 2011, Major April R. Verlo, 5th Medical Detachment, USAG-Yongsan, was convicted of Infliction of Bodily Injury through Negligence. Her adjudged sentence was a 1,000,000 Won fine.
In Seoul Central District Court on 6 May 2011, SPC Rashad J. Vereen, D Co, 302d BSB, USAG-Casey, was convicted of DUI. His adjudged sentence was a 1,500,000 Won fine.
In Seoul Central District Court on 6 May 2011, SrA Brandon L. McDonough, 51st Communications Squadron, Osan Air Base, was convicted of Obstruction of Performance of Official Duties. His adjudged sentence was a 1,000,000 Won fine.
In Seoul Central District Court on 12 May 2011, SGT April D. Reed, SOCKOR, USAG-Yongsan, was convicted of Hit and Run. Her adjudged sentence was a 5,000,000 Won fine.
In Suwon District Court on 18 May 2011, PVT Antonio M. Magana, 138th MCT, 25th Trans Bn, was convicted of Bodily Injury Resulting from Robbery. His adjudged sentence was imprisonment for 6 years.
In Daegu District Court on 18 May 2011, SPC Dustin B. Halcom, HHD, 498th CSSB, was convicted of traffic law violations. His adjudged sentence was a 1,000,000 Won fine.
In Suwon District Court on 19 May 2011, SGT Taborri L. Lindsey, B Co, 3d MI Battalion, USAG-Humphreys, was convicted of Hit and Run. His adjudged sentence was a 5,000,000 Won fine.
In Uijeongbu District Court on 23 May 2011, SPC Victor A. Burnett, Jr., C Co, DSTB, USAG-Casey, was convicted of traffic law violations. His adjudged sentence was a 1,000,000 fine.
In Uijeongbu District Court on 25 May 2011, SPC Jereme A. Hagwood, B Co, 1/38th Infantry, USAG-Casey, was convicted of Destruction of Property. His adjudged sentence was a 500,000 Won fine.
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Did you happen to notice the sentence of imprisonment? Kind of odd to be sentenced by a Korean court to a Korean prison for someone "not subject to the Korean justice system," isn't it?
So, you think something should be revoked but you obviously don't know anything about that thing. That's kind of funny.
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| The other group is full of high school dropouts and people from areas of low socio-economic status that probably had a lot of brushes with jail time and saw the army as their ticket out. |
More ignorance there. The US military is not "full of high school dropouts." to the contrary, here is the profile of the average US soldier:
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RANK: E-4 (Corporal / Specialist)
AGE: 22
TIME IN SERVICE: 4 Years
BASE PAY: $1,978.50/month
EDUCATION: High School Graduate |
You might also be interested in the educational requirements to enlist:
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| Enlistees must be high school graduates possessing a valid diploma to enlist in the Army. Exceptions are granted to minors who anticipate graduation and enroll in the Delayed Entry Program (DEP) and those who complete alternative adult education equivalent to high school graduation requirements. |
Here is a PDF of Army Regulation 601-210: Personnel Recruitment, Active and Reserve Components Enlistment Program, dated 8 February 2011. |
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Julius
Joined: 27 Jul 2006
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| Posted: Thu Jun 16, 2011 9:16 am Post subject: |
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| American soldiers are subject to the Korean justice system |
That must be fairly recent though?
The guys who ran over a the 2 korean girls a few years back got acquitted by an american court thanks to sofa, right?
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Results of ROK Criminal Prosecutions for May 2011
In Suwon District Court on 3 May 2011, PFC Joshua L. Martin, 557th MP Company, USAG-Humphreys, was convicted of DUI. His adjudged sentence was a 3,000,000 Won fine.
In Suwon District Court on 3 May 2011, SFC Anita R. Faust, HSC, 3d MI Battalion, USAG-Humphreys, was convicted of DUI. Her adjudged sentence was a 3,000,000 Won fine.
In Suwon District Court on 3 May 2011, SPC Ari A. Floyd, 501st Signal Company, USAG-Humphreys, was convicted of traffic law violations. His adjudged sentence was a 3,000,000 Won fine.
In Uijeongbu District Court on 6 May 2011, SPC Dennis J. Randle, 46th Transportation Company, USAG-Red Cloud, was convicted of DUI. His adjudged sentence was a 1,000,000 Won fine.
In Seoul Central District Court on 6 May 2011, PFC Timothy R. Greenage, 362d Signal Company, USAG-Yongsan, was convicted of Infliction of Bodily Injury. His adjudged sentence was a 1,500,000 Won fine.
In Uijeongbu District Court on 6 May 2011, SGT Marvin R. Tindle, HHC, STB-K (J-63), USAG-Yongsan, was convicted of DUI. His adjudged sentence was a 1,500,000 Won fine.
In Uijeongbu District Court on 6 May 2011, SSG Donald L. Melendy, HHC, 1/72d Armor, USAG-Casey, was convicted of DUI. His adjudged sentence was a 700,000 Won fine.
In Seoul Central District Court on 6 May 2011, PFC Jeffery C. Bryant, 595th Maintenance Company, was convicted of traffic law violations. His adjudged sentence was a 1,500,000 Won fine.
In Seoul Central District Court on 6 May 2011, Major April R. Verlo, 5th Medical Detachment, USAG-Yongsan, was convicted of Infliction of Bodily Injury through Negligence. Her adjudged sentence was a 1,000,000 Won fine.
In Seoul Central District Court on 6 May 2011, SPC Rashad J. Vereen, D Co, 302d BSB, USAG-Casey, was convicted of DUI. His adjudged sentence was a 1,500,000 Won fine.
In Seoul Central District Court on 6 May 2011, SrA Brandon L. McDonough, 51st Communications Squadron, Osan Air Base, was convicted of Obstruction of Performance of Official Duties. His adjudged sentence was a 1,000,000 Won fine.
In Seoul Central District Court on 12 May 2011, SGT April D. Reed, SOCKOR, USAG-Yongsan, was convicted of Hit and Run. Her adjudged sentence was a 5,000,000 Won fine.
In Suwon District Court on 18 May 2011, PVT Antonio M. Magana, 138th MCT, 25th Trans Bn, was convicted of Bodily Injury Resulting from Robbery. His adjudged sentence was imprisonment for 6 years.
In Daegu District Court on 18 May 2011, SPC Dustin B. Halcom, HHD, 498th CSSB, was convicted of traffic law violations. His adjudged sentence was a 1,000,000 Won fine.
In Suwon District Court on 19 May 2011, SGT Taborri L. Lindsey, B Co, 3d MI Battalion, USAG-Humphreys, was convicted of Hit and Run. His adjudged sentence was a 5,000,000 Won fine.
In Uijeongbu District Court on 23 May 2011, SPC Victor A. Burnett, Jr., C Co, DSTB, USAG-Casey, was convicted of traffic law violations. His adjudged sentence was a 1,000,000 fine.
In Uijeongbu District Court on 25 May 2011, SPC Jereme A. Hagwood, B Co, 1/38th Infantry, USAG-Casey, was convicted of Destruction of Property. His adjudged sentence was a 500,000 Won fine.
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Thats an awful high crime rate you got there. Basically you have a GI convicted of a serious crime at least every other day.
If english teachers did that, Korea would have banned the E2 years ago. |
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lithium
Joined: 18 Jun 2008
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| Posted: Thu Jun 16, 2011 9:50 am Post subject: Re: Thank God it will Eventually move |
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So after midnight walking do the main road of Itaewon is about 5 (I assume grunts from the military). Why do I assume? Because as they are marching they are ranting at the top of their lungs ( I cant put it into words but I think everyone knows what I mean). So these gentlemen stomping towards the center of Itaewon and a Police car is pulled over to the side of the road. Not because of them. They are just off to the side of the road. And the next thing you know these guys are pointing and yelling at them.
Now before you start going: Hey if we left what would happen to them? Ask youself this. If Korean soldiers were walking down LA or Chicago acting like these idiots what would people say?
I cant wait for the base to be moved. I want a normal life and not be associated with idiots like this.
People treat this place as a toilet. No wonder we are seen as we are. Soldiers and one yearers being idiots.
Actually, some people hear have a stake in what they are doing.
Now please start bashing me. But if the Bristish were in your town acting like idiots etc would that be ok? |
Well, ok. Maybe some would say that you are incapable of getting a job in the real world. |
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lithium
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| Posted: Thu Jun 16, 2011 9:59 am Post subject: Re: Thank God it will Eventually move |
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So after midnight walking do the main road of Itaewon is about 5 (I assume grunts from the military). Why do I assume? Because as they are marching they are ranting at the top of their lungs ( I cant put it into words but I think everyone knows what I mean). So these gentlemen stomping towards the center of Itaewon and a Police car is pulled over to the side of the road. Not because of them. They are just off to the side of the road. And the next thing you know these guys are pointing and yelling at them.
Now before you start going: Hey if we left what would happen to them? Ask youself this. If Korean soldiers were walking down LA or Chicago acting like these idiots what would people say?
I cant wait for the base to be moved. I want a normal life and not be associated with idiots like this.
People treat this place as a toilet. No wonder we are seen as we are. Soldiers and one yearers being idiots.
Actually, some people hear have a stake in what they are doing.
Now please start bashing me. But if the Bristish were in your town acting like idiots etc would that be ok? |
By the way, why don't you "man-up" and confront them with your whining instead of complaining on a message board? |
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