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tokki
Joined: 26 Jul 2003
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 Posted: Mon Apr 12, 2004 1:51 am Post subject: |
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So what happens about the entry permit with a F2-1?
With an E2 you either need to get a multi entry stamped in your passport or buy a single entry every time you leave the country.
Is that the same with an F2-1? |
Yes, it is. |
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rok_the-boat
Joined: 24 Jan 2004
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| Posted: Mon Apr 12, 2004 5:45 am Post subject: |
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I have the F2-1 and a multiple entry visa.
The info on this thread looks sound - the F2-1 gives you power. I think in the near future more employers will realise that it is actually good for them. It will make the market more flexible and employers will have to adapt. What - no holidays as promised? - Goodbye and move on! |
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Gord
Joined: 25 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Mon Apr 12, 2004 7:45 am Post subject: |
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| rok_the-boat wrote: |
I have the F2-1 and a multiple entry visa.
The info on this thread looks sound - the F2-1 gives you power. I think in the near future more employers will realise that it is actually good for them. It will make the market more flexible and employers will have to adapt. What - no holidays as promised? - Goodbye and move on! |
When this was discussed in an earlier thread, if you bail on a company that sponsored the E2 visa so one could legally work, you couldn't then turn around and get a new one. You would still have to get a letter of release, explain why you should be released, or wait until the period expires.
So it doesn't really change anything. |
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Mr. Pink
Joined: 21 Oct 2003
Location: China
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| Posted: Mon Apr 12, 2004 2:09 pm Post subject: |
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| Gord wrote: |
| rok_the-boat wrote: |
I have the F2-1 and a multiple entry visa.
The info on this thread looks sound - the F2-1 gives you power. I think in the near future more employers will realise that it is actually good for them. It will make the market more flexible and employers will have to adapt. What - no holidays as promised? - Goodbye and move on! |
When this was discussed in an earlier thread, if you bail on a company that sponsored the E2 visa so one could legally work, you couldn't then turn around and get a new one. You would still have to get a letter of release, explain why you should be released, or wait until the period expires.
So it doesn't really change anything. |
Are you talking about with an F2-1?
Cause with that their is no E-2 sponsership. The sponsership already occured in obtaining the F2-1.
Or are you talking when having an E-2 and ditching that for an F2-1? |
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Gord
Joined: 25 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Mon Apr 12, 2004 3:43 pm Post subject: |
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| Mr. Pink wrote: |
Are you talking about with an F2-1?
Cause with that their is no E-2 sponsership. The sponsership already occured in obtaining the F2-1.
Or are you talking when having an E-2 and ditching that for an F2-1? |
That's what people had claimed was the law of the land before. F2-1 being the residence visa, but the E2 was still required to work. So if one got a job, they had to get an E2 visa. But if they quit and couldn't get a release, they had to sit around until the current E2 would have expired before they could get a new one to work elsewhere.
Though the F2 means that in quitting a school, the person doesn't have to leave the country.
I suppose someone could just post up a link to the Immigration website and solve this mystery, but then our fun would be over. |
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tokki
Joined: 26 Jul 2003
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| Posted: Mon Apr 12, 2004 6:09 pm Post subject: |
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| Because with the F2-1 you dont get an E2 visa. Get this Gordo, the "E2" stamp is not the equivalent of an E2 visa. You only have one visa, the F2-1. What you get is permission to engage in activities not covered by your F2-1. Be it teaching, tending bar or filming porn videos. Whatever. It is not a visa. The E2 visa involves sponsorship, while the permission applies only to working, without the sponsorship and any of the power it gives your boss. Im looking at the goddamn stamp right now. NOWHERE on it does it even say E2. The letter E and the number 2 do not even appear near each other. Nowhere. Once again, for the uninformed, you only have one VISA, your F2-1. You then get permission to work, and you can get multiple ones without your boss knowing, and you can cancel them as you wish, without your boss' permission. Then you add new ones, without your old or current boss knowing anything about it. |
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Gord
Joined: 25 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Mon Apr 12, 2004 6:50 pm Post subject: |
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| tokki wrote: |
| Because with the F2-1 you dont get an E2 visa. Get this Gordo, the "E2" stamp is not the equivalent of an E2 visa. You only have one visa, the F2-1. What you get is permission to engage in activities not covered by your F2-1. Be it teaching, tending bar or filming porn videos. Whatever. It is not a visa. The E2 visa involves sponsorship, while the permission applies only to working, without the sponsorship and any of the power it gives your boss. Im looking at the goddamn stamp right now. NOWHERE on it does it even say E2. The letter E and the number 2 do not even appear near each other. Nowhere. Once again, for the uninformed, you only have one VISA, your F2-1. You then get permission to work, and you can get multiple ones without your boss knowing, and you can cancel them as you wish, without your boss' permission. Then you add new ones, without your old or current boss knowing anything about it. |
EFL-Law disagrees with you. http://www.efl-law.com/faqans_F2_visa.html
"According to Immigration law you must have both visas!! The E2 is called the minor and the F2 the major. They coexist and need each other to complement the variety of laws!
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The F2 Visa, as noted above, does NOT grant the holder any legal right to work in Korea. It allows you the right to reside in Korea ."
If you wish to disagree, instead of saying "this is so" and asking you take us on your word which doesn't exactly carry a lot of weight around here, why don't you just hit the Immigration site and show us a link that does indeed back up your claims? |
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Holyjoe
Joined: 03 Mar 2003
Location: Away for a cuppa
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| Posted: Mon Apr 12, 2004 7:10 pm Post subject: |
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| tokki wrote: |
| Because with the F2-1 you dont get an E2 visa. Get this Gordo, the "E2" stamp is not the equivalent of an E2 visa. You only have one visa, the F2-1. What you get is permission to engage in activities not covered by your F2-1. Be it teaching, tending bar or filming porn videos. Whatever. It is not a visa. The E2 visa involves sponsorship, while the permission applies only to working, without the sponsorship and any of the power it gives your boss. Im looking at the goddamn stamp right now. NOWHERE on it does it even say E2. The letter E and the number 2 do not even appear near each other. Nowhere. Once again, for the uninformed, you only have one VISA, your F2-1. You then get permission to work, and you can get multiple ones without your boss knowing, and you can cancel them as you wish, without your boss' permission. Then you add new ones, without your old or current boss knowing anything about it. |
Maybe it doesn't say it on the stamp in your passport, but have a look at the back of your ARC - it says "E-2" there.
In fact, looking at my passport I have the F-2-1 stamp and also the "Permission for engaging in activities not covered by the status of sojourn" stamp related to my employment and it has "E-2" stamped in ink beside the "The facts of permit" section.
It's the second "permission" stamp I've had in my passport since getting the F-2-1, the first stamp didn't contain any mention of "E-2", the second one did. But on both occasions "E-2" was written on the back of my ARC. |
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fidel
Joined: 07 Feb 2003
Location: North Shore NZ
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| Posted: Mon Apr 12, 2004 7:22 pm Post subject: |
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Tokki,
Look at the back of your ARC, and if you have a legitimate 'teaching job' and applied for an E2 it should be scribbled on the back. When I got my current job I took along their registration number and my contract, filled out the E2 form and Voila! My card has F2-1 on the front, and E2 scribbled on the back. Two visa's. If you don't have an E2, and your a teacher then something is amiss...hmmmmm.
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| Once again, for the uninformed, you only have one VISA, your F2-1. You then get permission to work, and you can get multiple ones without your boss knowing, and you can cancel them as you wish, without your boss' permission. Then you add new ones, without your old or current boss knowing anything about it. |
Sorry, to what visa's are you referring to? Multiple F-2 visa's? You state that you can only have one visa, then talk about getting 'multiple ones'.
Please enlighten me. |
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tokki
Joined: 26 Jul 2003
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| Posted: Mon Apr 12, 2004 9:22 pm Post subject: |
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| It does say E2 in the back of my E2. But the point about it still stands. It is not the same for us as for the regular joes. It is called an E2 because thats the category of visas that allows you to teach at a hogwon. How do I know that we can cancel our E2s and get new ones without a problem? Cause Ive done it. I did it at a job, where I left 3 weeks early. After I got my money, I took the vacation time I was owed, then went to the immigration office and told them I wanted to cancel my E2. It took a minute, got my E2 stamped "used" and that was it. I was free. I was then able to attach another E2 at another place for a short term at the same time, with no permission from anybody. The regular E2 entails sponsorship, our "E2s" do not. Gordo, you got first hand experience or are you just theorizing, as usual? |
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tokki
Joined: 26 Jul 2003
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| Posted: Mon Apr 12, 2004 9:25 pm Post subject: |
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| fidel wrote: |
Tokki,
Look at the back of your ARC, and if you have a legitimate 'teaching job' and applied for an E2 it should be scribbled on the back. When I got my current job I took along their registration number and my contract, filled out the E2 form and Voila! My card has F2-1 on the front, and E2 scribbled on the back. Two visa's. If you don't have an E2, and your a teacher then something is amiss...hmmmmm.
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| Once again, for the uninformed, you only have one VISA, your F2-1. You then get permission to work, and you can get multiple ones without your boss knowing, and you can cancel them as you wish, without your boss' permission. Then you add new ones, without your old or current boss knowing anything about it. |
Sorry, to what visa's are you referring to? Multiple F-2 visa's? You state that you can only have one visa, then talk about getting 'multiple ones'.
Please enlighten me. |
I didnt word it right.What I meant is that you can add multiple "E2s" without anyone's permission. |
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rok_the-boat
Joined: 24 Jan 2004
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| Posted: Tue Apr 13, 2004 12:57 am Post subject: |
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| Think about it - if you can work several jobs at once, as long as you tell immigration, then you can also quit several jobs at once. If you are working several, and quit one, then it won't affect the others - how couold it, you already have permission for them. And if it does not affect the others, then it ought not affect a new one. Just thinking out logically here - but as we all know - things are never quite so clear in Korean officialdom. |
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Mr. Pink
Joined: 21 Oct 2003
Location: China
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| Posted: Tue Apr 13, 2004 1:07 am Post subject: |
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What tokki says is correct.
Yaya I know I don't hold one, but my ex-coworker did for about the past 4yrs and she quit some of her part time E2 gigs no problem.
When she left our school she was the one who had to cancel it, not our school. |
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tokki
Joined: 26 Jul 2003
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| Posted: Tue Apr 13, 2004 1:50 am Post subject: |
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| Mr. Pink wrote: |
What tokki says is correct.
Yaya I know I don't hold one, but my ex-coworker did for about the past 4yrs and she quit some of her part time E2 gigs no problem.
When she left our school she was the one who had to cancel it, not our school. |
Yeah, but what do I know anyway. Supposedly my word counts for shit here, and according to Gordo Im wrong and hes right. Now, the fact that I have had first hand experience quitting, getting permission to work and none of that with LORs, while Gordo is theorizing out of his ass again, doesnt matter. Gord is right. BUAHAHAH |
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the_beaver
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Tue Apr 13, 2004 1:55 am Post subject: |
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| Yeah, but what do I know anyway. Supposedly my word counts for *beep* here, and according to Gordo Im wrong and hes right. Now, the fact that I have had first hand experience quitting, getting permission to work and none of that with LORs, while Gordo is theorizing out of his ass again, doesnt matter. Gord is right. BUAHAHAH |
But, to be fair, Gord is usually right and, if indeed you are right, this would be your first. |
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