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Weigookin74
Joined: 26 Oct 2009
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| my ps contract says i just have to dress like a korean. Why dont guys where shorts here? |
Mine too. Thing is I've rarely dressed up. When I worked in the countryside, mostly young teachers wore jeans most days and a regular shirt. Now I live in a bigger city and the teachers are older. They seem to dress up more, but will occasionally see someone with jeans. But no one wears a tie during the hot weather unless it's some special events. I dressed up my first week and stopped after that. Now I wear jeans and a t - shirt or sometimes a dressy shirt. No ones ever given me crap. But I'm a good teacher and liked by my students. So, my school is happy. I don't think it's common to have to dress up for teaching here is it?
I did wear shorts in my former country schools, but never here in the city. |
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edwardcatflap
Joined: 22 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Tue Jun 14, 2011 9:01 pm Post subject: |
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| Honestly, if you make more money than your boss, then the place you work is very poorly run |
Don't agree with that. Where I work there's lots of well paid overtime and managers, quite rightly, take a back seat when it comes up for grabs. Some people make more than their immediate boss and the one above that. The managers prefer to manage than teach and they are aiming for the real top jobs that probably pay more than you can make with extra overtime. Everyone's happy and the place runs very smoothly. People generally tuck thier shirts in when they go into a classroom however. |
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Carbon
Joined: 28 Jan 2011
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| Posted: Tue Jun 14, 2011 9:39 pm Post subject: |
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| my ps contract says i just have to dress like a korean. Why dont guys where shorts here? |
Because some of us are mature adults who understand that professionalism has some caveats.
So, pants are "Korean"? The issue is hardly black and white, but that just leads back to my initial comment.
Really, even though you are not a teacher, since you are being paid as one, you should at least dress the part. |
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bbud656
Joined: 15 Jun 2010
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| Posted: Tue Jun 14, 2011 11:32 pm Post subject: |
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| Because some of us are mature adults who understand that professionalism has some caveats |
If you are an ESL teacher you shouldnt have a big head. You aren't a professional back in the real world. They don't want professionals here. Have you seen the new EPIK pay scale? a masters degree nets 2.1. They want fresh off the boat, white, pretty college grads. Warm bodies that look nice in pictures. Apparently those pictures aren't just from the waist up. |
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WadRUG'naDoo
Joined: 15 Jun 2010
Location: Shanghai
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| Posted: Tue Jun 14, 2011 11:32 pm Post subject: |
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Jim: "Good, respectable, professional companies pay the tax office and don't cheat their employees and have managers that speak to their employees respectfully. This isn't the New York stock exchange where one can should have to take and give verbal abuse as par for the course. This an educational institute and you should behave as such. Sure, I didn't tuck my shirt in. Just ask me to do so in a PC kind of way where you aren't offending me. And do you know what you look like? You look like someone that has opened Pandora's Box. Now get out of my face. I'll tuck my shirt in. If you want to apologize, I'm right here. If not, don't speak to me again."
That would be my response. |
My response to you: You're fired. You obviously have never had a job beyond the confines of this fairyland experience. |
And my response to you? Fine, see ya later. And you know nothing about me exept this:
My first job in Korea, I wore my shirt untucked every day. And I wore my shorts and sneakers in the summer. I had that job for three full years. If my boss was out of line, I gave him crap. Although, if he said I looked like I just came out of a brothel, I'd probably laugh. It would've depended on how I felt that day.
Where I work now, I wear my shirt untucked and I got a raise and make more money than anyone, including my boss. And if he happens to wear a shirt and a tie to work, I ask him "Why are you wearing a tie?" |
You are really cool! Can I be like you and untuck my shirt, and have all this wealth and prosperity fall into MY lap, too?
Honestly, if you make more money than your boss, then the place you work is very poorly run.
The original comment about the shirt was rude (aka "the brothel comment"). If the issue had been mentioned just a bit more politely, it would have been a non-issue. |
Poorly run? Maybe you're right.
And you can be just like me. All it takes is networking. Come on! |
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thegadfly
Joined: 01 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Wed Jun 15, 2011 12:32 am Post subject: |
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| Honestly, if you make more money than your boss, then the place you work is very poorly run |
Don't agree with that. Where I work there's lots of well paid overtime and managers, quite rightly, take a back seat when it comes up for grabs. Some people make more than their immediate boss and the one above that. The managers prefer to manage than teach and they are aiming for the real top jobs that probably pay more than you can make with extra overtime. Everyone's happy and the place runs very smoothly. People generally tuck thier shirts in when they go into a classroom however. |
I do not disagree with you, edward -- I took "boss" to mean the owner of the school, rather than the next link up in the chain...and if that was what was meant, then I rescind my previous statement.... |
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NYC_Gal 2.0
Joined: 10 Dec 2010
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| Posted: Wed Jun 15, 2011 7:00 am Post subject: |
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| Carbon wrote: |
| bbud656 wrote: |
| my ps contract says i just have to dress like a korean. Why dont guys where shorts here? |
Because some of us are mature adults who understand that professionalism has some caveats.
So, pants are "Korean"? The issue is hardly black and white, but that just leads back to my initial comment.
Really, even though you are not a teacher, since you are being paid as one, you should at least dress the part. |
I know both a CTO and a CEO who wear jeans, shorts, and t-shirts on a regular basis to their respective offices, and these are multinational companies. Sure, they wear more professional clothing when it counts, but not on an everyday basis.
I hardly think that a golf shirt (I'm assuming that's a polo) is unprofessional for a teacher. If I had a teacher come to work in a suit, I'd feel that they were overdressed. I'm not saying that a Slayer t-shirt would be okay, but a polo? Those don't even look good tucked in.
Either way, the boss was out of line. Had he said "I'd prefer it if you wore something a bit more professional, or at least tuck in your shirt," it would have been a non issue. Perhaps HE looks like that when he leaves a brothel.  |
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WadRUG'naDoo
Joined: 15 Jun 2010
Location: Shanghai
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| Posted: Wed Jun 15, 2011 7:15 am Post subject: |
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| edwardcatflap wrote: |
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| Honestly, if you make more money than your boss, then the place you work is very poorly run |
Don't agree with that. Where I work there's lots of well paid overtime and managers, quite rightly, take a back seat when it comes up for grabs. Some people make more than their immediate boss and the one above that. The managers prefer to manage than teach and they are aiming for the real top jobs that probably pay more than you can make with extra overtime. Everyone's happy and the place runs very smoothly. People generally tuck thier shirts in when they go into a classroom however. |
I do not disagree with you, edward -- I took "boss" to mean the owner of the school, rather than the next link up in the chain...and if that was what was meant, then I rescind my previous statement.... |
Yeah. You were out of line. Lighten up. Ha, ha. |
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WadRUG'naDoo
Joined: 15 Jun 2010
Location: Shanghai
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| Posted: Wed Jun 15, 2011 7:24 am Post subject: |
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| NYC_Gal 2.0 wrote: |
| Carbon wrote: |
| bbud656 wrote: |
| my ps contract says i just have to dress like a korean. Why dont guys where shorts here? |
Because some of us are mature adults who understand that professionalism has some caveats.
So, pants are "Korean"? The issue is hardly black and white, but that just leads back to my initial comment.
Really, even though you are not a teacher, since you are being paid as one, you should at least dress the part. |
I know both a CTO and a CEO who wear jeans, shorts, and t-shirts on a regular basis to their respective offices, and these are multinational companies. Sure, they wear more professional clothing when it counts, but not on an everyday basis.
I hardly think that a golf shirt (I'm assuming that's a polo) is unprofessional for a teacher. If I had a teacher come to work in a suit, I'd feel that they were overdressed. I'm not saying that a Slayer t-shirt would be okay, but a polo? Those don't even look good tucked in.
Either way, the boss was out of line. Had he said "I'd prefer it if you wore something a bit more professional, or at least tuck in your shirt," it would have been a non issue. Perhaps HE looks like that when he leaves a brothel. |
No doubt. I'd guess we'd have to see exactly what he was wearing and how it looked. Maybe it looked like crap. I totally agree with the polo shirt thing, especially if it's a short-sleeve, buttons top to bottom or not. They're made to hang out. And if said guy has a huge gut, is it really better for him to tuck in his shirt? "Oh, look at the contour of my gut! Can you picture me naked? Here, let me tuck it in more. Is that better? Look at me belly button! It's great!" I have some nice shirts that you just wouldn't tuck in at all. Our work shirts, the same.
Why do you have to dress in some sort of "professional" way anyway? I had a teacher who had tenure and was respected in high school who wore jeans a had a friggin' knife in a knife holder on his belt. Looked quite Shakespearian, really (English teacher). So, whatever. Pfft. |
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some waygug-in
Joined: 25 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Wed Jun 15, 2011 10:29 am Post subject: |
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Well, if it's an adult hagwon, the students complain if the teacher dresses sloppily.
Students at adult haggies have a lot of clout, much more than they should
and the bosses cater to this. (much more than they should)
Kids' haggies are less strict.
Public school, if you don't know that much good luck trying to get re-newed. |
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Carbon
Joined: 28 Jan 2011
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| Posted: Wed Jun 15, 2011 3:02 pm Post subject: |
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| NYC_Gal 2.0 wrote: |
| Carbon wrote: |
| bbud656 wrote: |
| my ps contract says i just have to dress like a korean. Why dont guys where shorts here? |
Because some of us are mature adults who understand that professionalism has some caveats.
So, pants are "Korean"? The issue is hardly black and white, but that just leads back to my initial comment.
Really, even though you are not a teacher, since you are being paid as one, you should at least dress the part. |
I know both a CTO and a CEO who wear jeans, shorts, and t-shirts on a regular basis to their respective offices, and these are multinational companies. Sure, they wear more professional clothing when it counts, but not on an everyday basis.
I hardly think that a golf shirt (I'm assuming that's a polo) is unprofessional for a teacher. If I had a teacher come to work in a suit, I'd feel that they were overdressed. I'm not saying that a Slayer t-shirt would be okay, but a polo? Those don't even look good tucked in.
Either way, the boss was out of line. Had he said "I'd prefer it if you wore something a bit more professional, or at least tuck in your shirt," it would have been a non issue. Perhaps HE looks like that when he leaves a brothel. |
Yeah, and I am sure your two power buddies wore t-shirts and jeans when they started in the mail room or at earlier jobs in their working lives.
"Golf shirt". The name seems to imply something, no? Teaching ≠ golf.
As for the boss's comment, well, it is best to speak in the vernacular.
The issue isn't the clothes, it is the attitude of the wearer. Transient, working holiday types who can't seem to string together a decent wardrobe simply because they get paid without it.
I cannot wait until Korea gets some pride and starts being more selective in their hiring practices. Less silly hoops, more qualification. |
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Carbon
Joined: 28 Jan 2011
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| Posted: Wed Jun 15, 2011 3:13 pm Post subject: |
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| Because some of us are mature adults who understand that professionalism has some caveats |
If you are an ESL teacher you shouldnt have a big head. You aren't a professional back in the real world. They don't want professionals here. Have you seen the new EPIK pay scale? a masters degree nets 2.1. They want fresh off the boat, white, pretty college grads. Warm bodies that look nice in pictures. Apparently those pictures aren't just from the waist up. |
Actually I am qualified "back home" and do not teach ESL. Nor do you, but that lesson is wasted. Do you know me? You are making statements way above your pay grade.
Everything in your post is just a tired cliche. |
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bbud656
Joined: 15 Jun 2010
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| Posted: Wed Jun 15, 2011 4:11 pm Post subject: |
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How would you explain not rewarding experience and advanced degrees in the public school system and The silly photo ops we get taken on a few times a year?
Here's the thing, they want me to be professional and look on par with the Korean teacher's, but don't give me the same rights as them. I don't necessarily think they should either, but I also don't think I should be held to the same standard. I work with 1st, 2nd, and 3rd graders. Wearing a tie is more of a choking hazard than anything. Also, most teachers at my school are women. They wear skirts and open shoes all summer. Then, they complain when I want the AC or fans on because they aren't hot. I think I look less professional sweating like a pig than I do in shorts.
No, I don't. I was being a dick. |
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NYC_Gal 2.0
Joined: 10 Dec 2010
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| Posted: Wed Jun 15, 2011 4:18 pm Post subject: |
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| Carbon wrote: |
| NYC_Gal 2.0 wrote: |
| Carbon wrote: |
| bbud656 wrote: |
| my ps contract says i just have to dress like a korean. Why dont guys where shorts here? |
Because some of us are mature adults who understand that professionalism has some caveats.
So, pants are "Korean"? The issue is hardly black and white, but that just leads back to my initial comment.
Really, even though you are not a teacher, since you are being paid as one, you should at least dress the part. |
I know both a CTO and a CEO who wear jeans, shorts, and t-shirts on a regular basis to their respective offices, and these are multinational companies. Sure, they wear more professional clothing when it counts, but not on an everyday basis.
I hardly think that a golf shirt (I'm assuming that's a polo) is unprofessional for a teacher. If I had a teacher come to work in a suit, I'd feel that they were overdressed. I'm not saying that a Slayer t-shirt would be okay, but a polo? Those don't even look good tucked in.
Either way, the boss was out of line. Had he said "I'd prefer it if you wore something a bit more professional, or at least tuck in your shirt," it would have been a non issue. Perhaps HE looks like that when he leaves a brothel. |
Yeah, and I am sure your two power buddies wore t-shirts and jeans when they started in the mail room or at earlier jobs in their working lives.
"Golf shirt". The name seems to imply something, no? Teaching ≠ golf.
As for the boss's comment, well, it is best to speak in the vernacular.
The issue isn't the clothes, it is the attitude of the wearer. Transient, working holiday types who can't seem to string together a decent wardrobe simply because they get paid without it.
I cannot wait until Korea gets some pride and starts being more selective in their hiring practices. Less silly hoops, more qualification. |
I have to see the outfit before I assume it's transient. Honestly, I've only ever seen polos as golf shirts, and my old house was next to a golf course. Unless he was wearing golf PANTS, he was hardly under dressed.
Teaching ≠ going to a wedding
My friends never started in the mail rooms, and no, they didn't wear t-shirts. Polos were acceptable at lower-level jobs, though. The CTO was also able to wear jeans, because it was a tech job.  |
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WadRUG'naDoo
Joined: 15 Jun 2010
Location: Shanghai
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| Posted: Wed Jun 15, 2011 6:34 pm Post subject: |
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Yeah, I was an engineer in the tech industry and wore my shorts, T-shirt and sandals on occasion. Sometimes I wore more "professional" clothes, but not often.
Teaching kids in a hagwon? Gee, better tuck that shirt in. |
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