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korian



Joined: 26 Feb 2004

PostPosted: Tue Apr 13, 2004 1:16 am    Post subject: does it get you down......... Reply with quote

when you know that the majority, if not all of the people you meet in korea and elsewhere in this nomdic existence will be essentially lost to us forever? i am actually back in oz now contemplating a return for the 3rd time. yet i can't help but worry that the friends i have there now who give me the scoop and urge me to return will no doubt be on their own way again.

in fact, my best mate has already told me he'll be leaving six months into my next contract if i do in fact return.

most of the guys and girls i hung out with in my first 2.5 years there are now once in a blue moon e-mail pals and i'm sure it's the same for most of us in this profession.

how do you deal with meeting so many good people and a tthe same time knowing you'll say goodbye to them pretty soon. it's hard to put a lot into the friendships for me....
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rawiri



Joined: 01 Jun 2003
Location: Lovely day for a fire drill.

PostPosted: Tue Apr 13, 2004 2:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

just another one of lifes many sad facts really, move on, get over it, i use to think that i couldnt meet more people than i already had and that i couldnt make more friends than i already had, that was when i was living in a smallish town back home.

3 years constant travelling has proved otherwise, there are always more folk to meet, whether you connect or not is another thing but the possibilities essentially are endless.

are you lonely?, join a club or start hanging out in bars, things naturally evolve..................
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Ya-ta Boy



Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994

PostPosted: Tue Apr 13, 2004 3:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think I know what you mean. I noticed it after teaching high school for a while. You put so much effort and caring into a relationship, and then they move on....

I think there is a real danger in people taking the attitude that "I already have friends. I don't need anymore." Or, "I'm tired of people moving away. I will stop making friends."

It's a fairly cold world out there and we can choose to isolate ourselves and make it even colder, or we can remain open to friendships by deciding that someone moving on is not a personal rejection.
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korian



Joined: 26 Feb 2004

PostPosted: Tue Apr 13, 2004 11:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

[quote]are you lonely?, join a club or start hanging out in bars, things naturally evolve..................

just the opposite actually. i find it easy to make a lotof freinds but it gets tiring saying goodbye all the time.
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Derrek



Joined: 15 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Tue Apr 13, 2004 1:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, it sux.
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Crois



Joined: 18 Aug 2003
Location: You could be next so watch out.

PostPosted: Tue Apr 13, 2004 2:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Partly the cause of my depression.
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Mr. Pink



Joined: 21 Oct 2003
Location: China

PostPosted: Tue Apr 13, 2004 2:02 pm    Post subject: Re: does it get you down......... Reply with quote

korian wrote:
when you know that the majority, if not all of the people you meet in korea and elsewhere in this nomdic existence will be essentially lost to us forever? i am actually back in oz now contemplating a return for the 3rd time. yet i can't help but worry that the friends i have there now who give me the scoop and urge me to return will no doubt be on their own way again.

in fact, my best mate has already told me he'll be leaving six months into my next contract if i do in fact return.

most of the guys and girls i hung out with in my first 2.5 years there are now once in a blue moon e-mail pals and i'm sure it's the same for most of us in this profession.

how do you deal with meeting so many good people and a tthe same time knowing you'll say goodbye to them pretty soon. it's hard to put a lot into the friendships for me....


Most of the people I know are lifers here. Like me they've been here 7+ yrs and will be here years and years more.

There is only 1 guy I still talk to that wasn't here that long. He was my first roomie here. Pretty decent guy. We suck at email but can pick things up pretty much anytime we talk...which is a couple times a year.

I don't know scores of people...I don't really like meeting "new" people...that is fresh off the plane.
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kangnamdragon



Joined: 17 Jan 2003
Location: Kangnam, Seoul, Korea

PostPosted: Tue Apr 13, 2004 2:48 pm    Post subject: Re: does it get you down......... Reply with quote

korian wrote:
of us in this profession.

how do you deal with meeting so many good people and a tthe same time knowing you'll say goodbye to them pretty soon. it's hard to put a lot into the friendships for me....


make Korean friends
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phaedrus



Joined: 13 Nov 2003
Location: I'm comin' to get ya.

PostPosted: Tue Apr 13, 2004 3:23 pm    Post subject: Re: does it get you down......... Reply with quote

kangnamdragon wrote:
korian wrote:
of us in this profession.

how do you deal with meeting so many good people and a tthe same time knowing you'll say goodbye to them pretty soon. it's hard to put a lot into the friendships for me....


make Korean friends


Exactly.

I know it's nice to have some contact with people who understand you every now and then, but you have to ask yourself why you came to Korea if you only want to hang out with Westerners.

I am the only foreigner where I work, and I enjoy my workplace friendships with Koreans.

I don't avoid Westerners, but I was bored with my social life back in Canada a little, and didn't come overseas to hang out with slightly different versions of myself all the time.
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korian



Joined: 26 Feb 2004

PostPosted: Wed Apr 14, 2004 1:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I know it's nice to have some contact with people who understand you every now and then, but you have to ask yourself why you came to Korea if you only want to hang out with Westerners.


i hope i don't get flamed for this but anyway....i didn't come to korea to make any particular kind of friend. i'm open to anyone who's cool. however, i've found in my innumerable friendships with koreans they tend to fizzle once they don't see anyhting in it for them.

that doesn't just mean english lessons. my friendships have taken so many forms so don't jump to conclusions about me please.

i find, as is the case all over the world, that you gravitate towards people you can communicate with well and who understand where you're coming from on a lot of levels. it happens with every culture in every corner of the globe.

and to me, making friends with koreans is even more frustrating coz, as has been said so many times here before, you never really feel part of the group, no matter how many individuals try.

but we're getting off topic here slightly. i love meeting koreans and im probably going to be marrying my k-girl soon so i'm not averse to korea or its people. but as far as friendships go language is the key factor closely followed by culture and ideals. in all 3 i'm so different from koreans as most if us are so it's natural to form frienships with westerners.

so back to the original point. do you find yourself giving less and less to new friendships and perhaps closing yourself off more and more?

which in turn could lead on to, or explain, why so many of us here drink, go out, regress socially to some capacity or just drift along aimlessly....food for thought anyway
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phaedrus



Joined: 13 Nov 2003
Location: I'm comin' to get ya.

PostPosted: Wed Apr 14, 2004 1:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Actually I hear you.

I was in a different mood in the afternoon, and now I am feeling isolated.

I wish I was back with my good old friends in Canada that I loved and could do crazy stuff with. I guess I have withdrawn here, and don't feel I have that genuine friendship, because they all move away. I changed cities after I got married, and left my foreigner friends, who then left Korea, and I haven't made new ones.
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rapier



Joined: 16 Feb 2003

PostPosted: Wed Apr 14, 2004 2:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've been travelling place to place for years ...I don't think there's anyone in the world who's known me longer than 3 years.
yeah, it gets frustrating not to be with people who understand you completely and fully. Always meeting new people and going through the same hurdles with them...and no history to share..

i'm philosophical in this way..i know that ultimately, we are all alone; we came into the world alone and will depart the same way. Friends are just temporary attachments.
get to know God. the infinite. the permanent. yourself, your spirit. i can hear you all cringeing at that statement. But, its true...
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korian



Joined: 26 Feb 2004

PostPosted: Wed Apr 14, 2004 2:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ah so we now move on to the philosophical debate. the existentialist dilemma. in truth i find it easier to wax philosophical when you're happy with your surroundings. it's easier to be in tune with yourself. but in korea i don't feel that kind of comfort.

the day to day battle seems to take the enjoyment out of exploring yourself.

i think without realising it korea does make us withdrawn to a certain extent. for some that's fine. for others it can be dangerous, coz it's not the best place to alleviate such occerrences.

and the origianl point of the post suggests that it will be an ongoing thing for us to internalise and not put ourselves out there as long as we live the life of an expat in korea.

like you rapier i have travelled a lot in recent years. even now back in oz i'm living in a new area and already planni my 3rd tour of korea. but what i find now is i don't seem to even ,make the initial effort of making friends. just hope i run into ones i already have.

and that can't be good.....
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whitebeagle



Joined: 09 Feb 2003
Location: UK

PostPosted: Wed Apr 14, 2004 2:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm back in oz too and will be going back to korea in 2 weeks time.

After being away from home for 2 years, it actually feels like I have more friends in Korea than here! Everybody's doing their own thing here, all settling down, but people I've met in korea are more like myself, into travelling and learning about different cultures.

I've had to say goodbye to the boyfriend I had in Korea because he went back to his country, as well as some others i've become good friends with. But it seems like there'll always be friends wherever you go, although it's nice to have a circle of friends you've known for ages and can depend on. It's nice to know that my friends in oz still consider me as an important friend, and 2 years away hasn't made a difference to our friendship.
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korian



Joined: 26 Feb 2004

PostPosted: Wed Apr 14, 2004 2:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

you're right that friends you originally left move on. i will always be good mates with guys and gals i grew up with but they have their own lives now.

like everything single thing realted to korea, your emotions on issues fluctuate hugely. sometimes i love my life there free to flit about with whoever whenever. yet at other times i yearn the deep freindships we may have had before wangerlust kicked in.

and it's those kind of freindships that are hard to find, and harder still to keep, when you live the expat life in any country. but paeticulalry korea as not many people last more than 2 years on the trot.
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