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nstick13



Joined: 02 Aug 2009

PostPosted: Mon Jun 13, 2011 10:14 pm    Post subject: Vacation Requisition - Public Schools Reply with quote

Has anyone ever requested your vacation days at a different time than the school? My school is only on vacation in August officially for about 5 school days, and being with SMOE we get 21 total; 10 summer, 11 winter?

I would prefer to travel in October or so, though. Has anyone taken a week or two off then? Thoughts on doing so? I'm very much of the opinion that it never hurts to ask, they can only say no. Just curious previous experiences.

Cheers!
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bbud656



Joined: 15 Jun 2010

PostPosted: Tue Jun 14, 2011 7:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You take vacation when there are no kids to teach. summer and winter breaks.
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Modernist



Joined: 23 Mar 2011
Location: The 90s

PostPosted: Tue Jun 14, 2011 8:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wouldn't ask, actually. If it is a public school, then you should remember that teachers are expected to sacrifice for the good of the school. Just like our students are expected to stay late past the time the school 'officially' ends to study more, and are expected to come to school during their 'official' vacations to do camps for various subjects.

They will almost certainly refuse, firstly, and secondly it will just reinforce their existing bias that Westerners only care about themselves and their preferences and have no interest in the greater good of the school. Thirdly it would screw over your co-teachers who would have to carry your load plus their own for 2 weeks in October.

It's not worth it. Be glad you get a decent vacation at all, considering what hagwons offer, and don't abuse it.
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winterfall



Joined: 21 May 2009

PostPosted: Wed Jun 15, 2011 4:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

bbud656 wrote:
You take vacation when there are no kids to teach. summer and winter breaks.


+1. You can also take vacation during testing weeks if your principal signs off on it. Otherwise no.
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Ramen



Joined: 15 Apr 2008

PostPosted: Wed Jun 15, 2011 4:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

are you getting married, death in family, having a baby, etc.? you can take from 5 days to 3 month paid/add'l 3 month non-paid (if having a baby) leave for these events. Razz
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nstick13



Joined: 02 Aug 2009

PostPosted: Wed Jun 15, 2011 5:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

As an interesting addition to this that I saw on the SMOE FB group is that, considering national holidays do not count as vacation days, someone will not have enough days where there isn't officially "school" to utilize all 21 vacation days as laid out in their contract.

I'm going to double check with my co-teacher this afternoon, but I think I may have come upon the same thing.

Anyone know why SMOE gives 21, but other provinces only give 15? Not complaining by any means, mainly curiosity
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nathanrutledge



Joined: 01 May 2008
Location: Marakesh

PostPosted: Thu Jun 16, 2011 5:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Modernist wrote:
I wouldn't ask, actually. If it is a public school, then you should remember that teachers are expected to sacrifice for the good of the school. Just like our students are expected to stay late past the time the school 'officially' ends to study more, and are expected to come to school during their 'official' vacations to do camps for various subjects.

They will almost certainly refuse, firstly, and secondly it will just reinforce their existing bias that Westerners only care about themselves and their preferences and have no interest in the greater good of the school. Thirdly it would screw over your co-teachers who would have to carry your load plus their own for 2 weeks in October.

It's not worth it. Be glad you get a decent vacation at all, considering what hagwons offer, and don't abuse it.


What kind of garbage is this? "Please suh, can I have some mo'?" Be glad that he gets a vacation at all? That's what waiting for a job and not taking the first thing that hops up is about.

You get 21 days of vacation, you take 21 days of vacation. If there are not 21 days that there are no students, then you've got a problem.

Taking time off when school IS in session is probably not going to happen, at least not in the manner you're suggesting. DO think of your coworkers - you leave, they have to cover a lot of work = not cool. But don't let them schedule you for so much stuff that you cannot use your vacation.

Best case scenario, you'll get some time off during the summer and they'll let you take a day or two off during the school year - probably days when the kids have tests or something, but a snowball in hell has a better chance than you do for taking your whole vacation in October.
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shostahoosier



Joined: 14 Apr 2009

PostPosted: Thu Jun 16, 2011 9:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

nstick13 wrote:
As an interesting addition to this that I saw on the SMOE FB group is that, considering national holidays do not count as vacation days, someone will not have enough days where there isn't officially "school" to utilize all 21 vacation days as laid out in their contract.

I'm going to double check with my co-teacher this afternoon, but I think I may have come upon the same thing.

Anyone know why SMOE gives 21, but other provinces only give 15? Not complaining by any means, mainly curiosity


What province only gives 15 days?

I think Gyeonggi gets between 20-25, and I have friends in Gangwon-do who get as much as 40 days.
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nstick13



Joined: 02 Aug 2009

PostPosted: Thu Jun 16, 2011 9:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Last year, in Chungbuk, I only had 15 days.

I understand the point about thinking about others, and had I thought this would be a burden on a co-teacher I wouldn't have even considered it. Basically, their classes are from the text book and mine are conversation classes that I'm not even sure are reflected on the exam. That's 12 of my 22 hours. The rest are just picking up in the textbook with the 2nd graders, teaching the lesson the Korean co-teacher would be teaching were they leading that class instead of me. They're always there anyways. It would require no extra planning or anything for them, nor even extra classroom hours.
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