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Swampfox10mm



Joined: 24 Mar 2011

PostPosted: Wed Jun 15, 2011 4:45 pm    Post subject: Slippery slope? Reply with quote

Finals are almost over and I was speaking with a friend about student reviews of teachers at the university level.

Now for a scenario:

Imagine that your job working for a university were mostly based on student reviews of your classes. Now imagine that you were ranked against all other teachers and could see your standing compared to all teachers in your department, as well as the school.

Now, imagine that a few of the recent hires, concerned about rankings, went so far as to buy food to feed their classes on the last day of school (admitting they did it to influence their review scores). Would you feel pressured to do the same?

Please voice your opinions on the subject of foreign teachers buying and baking food items in order to influence scores. I see it getting out of hand because teachers are now feeling the need to have teacher-paid pizza parties to make students happy.
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Ramen



Joined: 15 Apr 2008

PostPosted: Wed Jun 15, 2011 4:51 pm    Post subject: Re: Slippery slope? Reply with quote

Swampfox10mm wrote:
Finals are almost over and I was speaking with a friend about student reviews of teachers at the university level.

Now for a scenario:

Imagine that your job working for a university were mostly based on student reviews of your classes. Now imagine that you were ranked against all other teachers and could see your standing compared to all teachers in your department, as well as the school.

Now, imagine that a few of the recent hires, concerned about rankings, went so far as to buy food to feed their classes on the last day of school (admitting they did it to influence their review scores). Would you feel pressured to do the same?

Please voice your opinions on the subject of foreign teachers buying and baking food items in order to influence scores. I see it getting out of hand because teachers are now feeling the need to have teacher-paid pizza parties to make students happy.


i wouldn't.

students would have to bring goodies for me on the last day of the class, otherwise, they'll be on my hit list the following year. Razz
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Stout



Joined: 28 May 2011

PostPosted: Wed Jun 15, 2011 5:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

10-4 on that. Buying food, making the tests easy, playing games at the expense of shoring up glaring deficiencies, praising students for sub-par efforts, you name it, it's all part of the I'm popluar so sign me up for next year campaign. If your uni's adminstrators fall for that and base their decisions on who is most 'sparkling', best to interview somewhere else.
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Fishead soup



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 15, 2011 5:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Any school that permits such behavour is not worth working for. Find work elswhere.
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edwardcatflap



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 15, 2011 5:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I thought all universities had student evaluations
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Swampfox10mm



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 15, 2011 5:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

edwardcatflap wrote:
I thought all universities had student evaluations


Pretty much. But how much emphasis should be placed on them, in your opinion?
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edwardcatflap



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 15, 2011 5:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Pretty much. But how much emphasis should be placed on them, in your opinion?


None at all. If universities were serious about ensuring quality in the class room they would firstly insist everyone they employ has some kind of practical teaching qualification and secondly have at least 2 yearly observations by an experienced highly qualified teaching manager.
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Swampfox10mm



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 15, 2011 6:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

edwardcatflap wrote:
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Pretty much. But how much emphasis should be placed on them, in your opinion?


None at all. If universities were serious about ensuring quality in the class room they would firstly insist everyone they employ has some kind of practical teaching qualification and secondly have at least 2 yearly observations by an experienced highly qualified teaching manager.



Do they do this at western universities?
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thegadfly



Joined: 01 Feb 2003

PostPosted: Wed Jun 15, 2011 6:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Swampfox10mm wrote:
edwardcatflap wrote:
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Pretty much. But how much emphasis should be placed on them, in your opinion?


None at all. If universities were serious about ensuring quality in the class room they would firstly insist everyone they employ has some kind of practical teaching qualification and secondly have at least 2 yearly observations by an experienced highly qualified teaching manager.



Do they do this at western universities?


When I taught Freshman Composition at a university in the US, our evaluations were done by anonymous student survey after the final exam was given, but before the grades were posted...I was not observed by any of the English faculty members....

Knock on wood, I have never been desperate enough to keep a job that I would resort to bribing students with treats. I'd stack up what I do in the classroom against any "popularity" campaign anyone else cared to wage, and if, at the end of the day, the school decided to let me go, I'd feel they were doing me a favor -- I wouldn't WANT to work for a place that thinks such things are proper, appropriate, or desirable.
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nathanrutledge



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 15, 2011 6:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

edwardcatflap wrote:
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Pretty much. But how much emphasis should be placed on them, in your opinion?


None at all. If universities were serious about ensuring quality in the class room they would firstly insist everyone they employ has some kind of practical teaching qualification and secondly have at least 2 yearly observations by an experienced highly qualified teaching manager.


Then what's the point of evaluation?

A professor/teacher/instructor could be the ideal candidate on paper, but total crap in the classroom, not connecting with the students, not giving them the attention they need, any number of things. As a student, if a teacher was doing a crap job and the school didn't care, I'd take my money elsewhere.

OP, I wouldn't bring anything for the students. I'm confident in my ability to do my job and make a connection with the students during the year - I don't need to bribe them.
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Unposter



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 15, 2011 7:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry, if I take a more practical point of view on this but...

Its too late. If you had a party now, you would look like a follower and a panderer. The students may even think that you were worried about your evaluation and they could assume that you feel guilty about something. I think it could lower your student evaluation score.

That said, I think you need to do what comes naturally to you. Every teacher connects with their students differently and students, too, connect with their teachers differently. I also would not automatically dismiss listening to what your students want. Of course, you may not want to give them everything they want. Real teaching wisdon comes with knowing when to indulge and when to say, "no."

I think in a general sort of way, student evaluations can be helpful. I would look for patterns. If there is a real drop in over all score or in a particular question, then I would look into it. But, I would never assume even a one-tenth point difference means that one teacher is better than another.

If you feel you have really done everything you can for your students, I wouldn't worry about it. If you feel you could have done something better, please try to do it next time. In between, there is nothing to do but try to get better.
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yoja



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 15, 2011 9:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I just wanted to add that I was *seriously* disappointed to find there was absolutely no mention of polygamy, homosexuality, bestiality, or any other sexual 'perversion' on this thread.
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Mr. Peabody



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 16, 2011 12:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've heard of teachers who promise A+ to their students after the final exam, even though grading is on a curve. Cheaper than pizza, same result. Wink
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Stout



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 16, 2011 6:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mr. Peabody wrote:
I've heard of teachers who promise A+ to their students after the final exam, even though grading is on a curve. Cheaper than pizza, same result. Wink


...i could see some students ploting out a bloody revenge with their buds come the next term, 'tho
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PatrickGHBusan



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 16, 2011 9:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Swampfox10mm wrote:
edwardcatflap wrote:
I thought all universities had student evaluations


Pretty much. But how much emphasis should be placed on them, in your opinion?


Look for trends (high number of students saying the same thing over more than one semester).

Then again it all depends on how the evaluation is built and geared.

Student evaluations can be very useful when done right. When done wrong they can be useless or damaging.
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