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US degree apostillisation: banks vs registrar?
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naturegirl321



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PostPosted: Fri Jun 17, 2011 1:19 am    Post subject: US degree apostillisation: banks vs registrar? Reply with quote

When I've gotten things notarised I've gone to the bank and gotten it notarised for free. (I actually called my uni and asked and they recommended me going to the bank instead of getting them done at the uni itself). I've had documents from the US, South America, and Europe notarised in my bank in the US for free!. Ive sent those to the Sec of State (about $2 a document) and gotten them apostillised. All the countries (4 countries on three continents) that I've had to get them done for all accepted them.

Which is the issue, since notaries simply prove that a document is a true and verified document. They do not prove that the original document is real. That's what supporting documents, (like transcripts, or the signatures on my degree, or the raised seals,) are for. Surprised Is kmmi listening? Smile

Now, some people go through the college registrar since only they can prove the degree is real and not just prove that the copy is a real copy.

Any thought about getting docs notarised at the bank vs your university?

You think kimmi will catch on and demand that they be done at your college registrar? because if someone really wants to pull off having a fake degree and have gotten the fake degree, I'm sure they can get a fake verification from the "university registrar".
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naturegirl321



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PostPosted: Fri Jun 17, 2011 6:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

bump, no one?
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marsavalanche



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PostPosted: Fri Jun 17, 2011 6:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

getting it done at a uni is a hassle. until it becomes a requirement why make more work for yourself?
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naturegirl321



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PostPosted: Fri Jun 17, 2011 6:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

marsavalanche wrote:
getting it done at a uni is a hassle. until it becomes a requirement why make more work for yourself?


Oh, no. I completey agree with you. I got mine done at the bank. 10 copies, shoudl be good for 10 years Smile

bUt I've heard rumours that kimmi is catching on that notarisations done anywhere BUT at your uni don't prove a thing, other than that it's a real copy. Does say the degree itself is real. And that they're going to start making peopel get it done only at their uni.
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HymanKaplan



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PostPosted: Fri Jun 17, 2011 10:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

marsavalanche wrote:
getting it done at a uni is a hassle. until it becomes a requirement why make more work for yourself?

My college is awesome. I walked in with my degree in hand, they made two copies (in case I needed another one, you know?) and notarized them both for free.
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young_clinton



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PostPosted: Fri Jun 17, 2011 11:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you can get say Bank of America to notarize your degree, go for it. But technically wouldn't the registrar have to go to the bank with the documents? The bank would have to know she is issuing the degree, the same way they would have to know who is issuing any document? Smile
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isitts



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PostPosted: Sat Jun 18, 2011 12:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

naturegirl321 wrote:
marsavalanche wrote:
getting it done at a uni is a hassle. until it becomes a requirement why make more work for yourself?


Oh, no. I completey agree with you. I got mine done at the bank. 10 copies, shoudl be good for 10 years Smile

bUt I've heard rumours that kimmi is catching on that notarisations done anywhere BUT at your uni don't prove a thing, other than that it's a real copy. Does say the degree itself is real. And that they're going to start making peopel get it done only at their uni.


Really? But, wait. Aren't you in Korea now? How are you getting it notarized from here? Because I was going to take my degree to the US Embassy, get it notarized there, and then send it to DC with my CBC to get apostilled (or rather, my parents are taking them to DC).

But I was thinking like you. Why can't we just get a notarized copy from the university itself in a sealed envelope (the way we get transcripts) and forget about this whole apostille nonsense?
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naturegirl321



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PostPosted: Sat Jun 18, 2011 2:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

young_clinton wrote:
If you can get say Bank of America to notarize your degree, go for it. But technically wouldn't the registrar have to go to the bank with the documents? The bank would have to know she is issuing the degree, the same way they would have to know who is issuing any document? Smile


See, the problem with that is that isn't what a notary does. A notary DOES NOT prove that the orginal is legit. The notary proves that the COPY is a true and real copy. Has nothing to do with the registrar. Which is why the call for notarised degrees is absurd. I got a copy of my Spanish degree notarised. The ntoary had no way of telling if it was legit /it is), but still notarised the copy. why? Because her stamp and signature say that the COPY is real. People get things notarised so that they can keep their degree in safe keepings and show the copy. It doesn't prove the degree is real. Transcripts do.

isitts wrote:
Really? But, wait. Aren't you in Korea now? How are you getting it notarized from here? Because I was going to take my degree to the US Embassy, get it notarized there, and then send it to DC with my CBC to get apostilled (or rather, my parents are taking them to DC).

But I was thinking like you. Why can't we just get a notarized copy from the university itself in a sealed envelope (the way we get transcripts) and forget about this whole apostille nonsense?


Yep, I'm in Korea. Don't bother with the embassy if you're American. Send your degree to the US, it has to be done from there. Alternatively, get another degree from your uni and send that to your parents. It should be the same as the one you have. Then copies can be notarised.

You CAN get it from the university. YOu STILL need it apostillised. Whether you get it done at your uni or bank, it's the same deal: it's a notarisation. IN order for Korea to accept it, it has to go to the Sec of State.

My whole point is that this "notarised copy" of your degree nonsense proves absolutely nothing about how legit your degree is.
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hogwonguy1979



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PostPosted: Sat Jun 18, 2011 3:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

couple of points:
if you are near your univ or are getting a new copy of your diploma for this then your univ is the easiest place to get it done, most univs have a notary on premise and will do it for free when i got a new copy of my diploma for this i asked them to notarize it at the same time it was no problem, most places charge an arm and a leg for notarizing, its a nice little rackett for making money

true the diploma proves nothing and people have told kimmig that for 20 years and they still dont get it, you can get a diploma made on ko san rd get it notarized somewhere and then get the apostille (the notary and the sos have no idea if its a real diploma nor do they care) you will have no problem getting kimmig to accept it. they dont get the idea of transcripts here being the official record of academic work

BUT if you are teaching at a univ the odds are more than likely you will have to sign a separate form allowing them to verify with your school your degree. I've had to supply all info including my student number etc
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naturegirl321



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PostPosted: Sat Jun 18, 2011 4:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Paying for notarisation? That stinks. OUr library and bank does it for free. Apostillisation is only a couple bucks where I live, but about 10, or 20 I can't remember in Califronia.
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hubbahubba



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PostPosted: Sat Jun 18, 2011 5:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

naturegirl321 wrote:
Paying for notarisation? That stinks. OUr library and bank does it for free. Apostillisation is only a couple bucks where I live, but about 10, or 20 I can't remember in Califronia.


and your point is what exactly? that it's stupid--well yes it is. But, that's the way it is--feel better?
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Bruce W Sims



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PostPosted: Sat Jun 18, 2011 8:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Where I teach, here in the States, I push the "Plan B" and "Risk Management" themes very strongly. Since the Job Market is so very tight here, there is not a lot of room for error in making applications for a position. The position will simply go to someone who is better prepared. As a result its accepted wisdom that required documents are always prepared in 5-s and 6-s instead of one's and two-s. Individuals who have only a single required document such as a Birth Certificate, Baptismal Certificate, Transcripts are always counseled to have copies made at a local institution such as our Community College and have them notarized.

This whole bit about getting an apostille for this or that document seems a bit over-done as the system can always be beaten by someone with enough motive and imagination. In the meantime---for the rest of us--- its just a paper-chase and is simply the hurdles required to be cleared for our chosen Path, right?

Best Wishes,

Bruce
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isitts



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PostPosted: Sat Jun 18, 2011 11:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

naturegirl321 wrote:

Yep, I'm in Korea. Don't bother with the embassy if you're American. Send your degree to the US, it has to be done from there. Alternatively, get another degree from your uni and send that to your parents. It should be the same as the one you have. Then copies can be notarised.

You CAN get it from the university. YOu STILL need it apostillised. Whether you get it done at your uni or bank, it's the same deal: it's a notarisation. IN order for Korea to accept it, it has to go to the Sec of State.

My whole point is that this "notarised copy" of your degree nonsense proves absolutely nothing about how legit your degree is.


Why would I not us the embassy? There's a thread here with people who did use the embassy to get the notary.

http://forums.eslcafe.com/korea/viewtopic.php?t=197939&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=embassy&start=0

You mean because it costs money?

If I get my university (in Washington State) to issue me a new degree and have them notarize it, will they be able to send it to my parents in Virginia or even straight to DC? I'd still need to give the DOS some written request for an apostille, right?

I need this in a few weeks and it's my impression that the embassy is the fastest way to go considering I have my diploma here in hand.


On a side note, I'm just wondering why the apostilled diploma I gave immigration when I first applied for GEPIK two years ago isn't enough.



EDIT: This post might be moot now. State that you get the diploma copy apostilled has to be the same state where you got it notarized.

So, notarizing it at the embassy in Korea wouldn't have worked and if I had had my university notarize it, I would have needed to use Washington State's SOS (which may have been fine, but the processing time there was 15 days instead of the 5 days it takes for Virginia's SOS).

Fun stuff.


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Bruce W Sims



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PostPosted: Sun Jun 19, 2011 5:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

naturegirl321 wrote:
Paying for notarisation? That stinks. OUr library and bank does it for free. Apostillisation is only a couple bucks where I live, but about 10, or 20 I can't remember in Califronia.


Maybe I'm mistaken. My understanding is that only a government office or agency can provide an apostille. Documents produced within a State or province can be so certified by that state or provincial government. Federal documents are certified through the Federal government. Anyone?

Caveat: I have a friend who is currently teaching in Korea who had an apostille for her BC from her State government. Obviously, it was accepted. Just to say.....

Best Wishes,

Bruce
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jeremysums



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PostPosted: Sun Oct 02, 2011 1:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

BOFA will start charging for debit card fees. That totally sucks. They better not charge for Notary either.

young_clinton wrote:
If you can get say Bank of America to notarize your degree, go for it. But technically wouldn't the registrar have to go to the bank with the documents? The bank would have to know she is issuing the degree, the same way they would have to know who is issuing any document? Smile
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