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Mr. Peabody
Joined: 24 Sep 2010
Location: here
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| Only one vote of no, so far...lol |
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WadRUG'naDoo
Joined: 15 Jun 2010
Location: Shanghai
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| Posted: Wed Jun 15, 2011 6:28 am Post subject: |
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| Mr. Peabody wrote: |
| Only one vote of no, so far...lol |
I just voted "no."
Seriously, if you don't want to go, don't. Ooooh. Sorry, I got stuck in traffic. Pfft. |
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ontheway
Joined: 24 Aug 2005
Location: Somewhere under the rainbow...
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| Posted: Wed Jun 15, 2011 10:53 am Post subject: |
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There have been threads on these meetings just about every year.
The teachers' training meetings are required by law for all hogwan teachers. There are meetings for the Korean teachers, hogwan owners, and E2 English, Japanese and Chinese teachers. These are held all over Korea. Of course, only legally registered teachers have to go, so this is where you can find out if you are registered and if your school is following all the rules. Chances are that if you don't have to go to one of these meetings every year, you are not fully registered as a legal E2 teacher. . |
I never attended one of these when I was a hakwon teacher...and yes I was fully registered with the tax and pension offices for at least 2 of these jobs. Also with Immigration.
So I'm thinking that this is a rather new requirement. |
These meetings were already happening in the late 1990s, for certain, but I don't know how far back they go before that. They have always been legally required, but not for every city and town in Korea - it could be by Province. They are for all hogwan teachers. E2 teachers of Chinese, Japanese etc have meetings.
If you manage to get your F visa you will no longer have to attend the E2 meeting. However, legally registered F visa holders are required to attend the meeting held for Korean hogwan teachers. This meeting is in Korean, obviously, and is required for legally registered hogwan teachers of all subjects - F visa holders and Koreans all are required to attend such an annual meeting.
The list of required attendees apparently comes from the local Dept of Education Offices. After you get your ARC, your hogwan is required to register you, and all teachers - E2, F visa, Korean - with the local education office. You have only about 2 weeks from your first day of teaching to get your ARC and get registered with the local Education Office, to be a legal teacher. Since some teachers and some schools delay getting their ARC, they often never get registered - there is a fine for being late which is often avoided by fudging the starting date or never bothering to register. You can have your health ins, pension and proper taxes and still not be registered with the Education Office.
Timing is also a factor. It is possible to be legally registered shortly after one year's event, and then finish your contract before the next year's event takes place, especially if you are registered late.
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natalia930
Joined: 02 Aug 2010
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| Posted: Wed Jun 15, 2011 9:05 pm Post subject: |
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| Ok, so my manager called whomever is in charge there, and the verdict was that since I was leaving next month, I don't have to go. My coworker is staying for another year, and he must go, even though he went last year. |
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HymanKaplan
Joined: 14 Jun 2011
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| Posted: Fri Jun 17, 2011 8:35 am Post subject: |
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Ahh, I can finally use the search function and therefore find this.
I heard from teachers at my school that it's basically an excuse to tell you that foreigners are all evil pedophiles who have no rights, dressed up as a cultural event so it doesn't look like they're being xenophobic.
So much as I resent being told I have to go on four days' notice, it sounds so hilarious that I have to see it. I'm going to stand near the front and bring a tape recorder. I wish I'd brought a videocamera.
I still resent the four days' notice bit. It might have been even less, if my boss--who hadn't been informed until one day before last year--hadn't been proactive.
I was also curious about the consequences if I don't go. $100 doesn't seem that bad, and none of my coworkers who didn't go last year faced any penalty.
I could be wrong, but is Korea the only country in the world that pulls stupid stuff like this? I've only been here six months, and it seems like the longer I stay here the more bizarre it seems.
Regards,
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toadkillerdog
Joined: 11 Nov 2009
Location: Daejeon. ROK
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| Posted: Fri Jun 17, 2011 6:06 pm Post subject: |
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Back in the day when I was still doing hagwon stuff I was informed that I too had to attend a local "seminar" (2 days notice). I just refused. I had a cool Hagwon director and he pretty much concurred it was a bs meeting anyway.
The day before the meeting an "Education Official" stopped by to confirm I would be attending. Again, I just said "no" and didn't budge from my position.
I didn't attend and never attended future "seminars". I never had any negative consequences. |
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HymanKaplan
Joined: 14 Jun 2011
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| Posted: Fri Jun 17, 2011 9:47 pm Post subject: |
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I went late, showed up around 10:30 and then wandered around the building until the interesting stuff was supposed to happen at 11.
The chief of police's speech was unintentionally hilarious. The storyteller was cool. The rest was a complete waste of time. But I'm still glad I went. In condensed form, the whole thing was pretty funny.
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different
Joined: 22 May 2003
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| Posted: Sun Jun 19, 2011 6:26 am Post subject: |
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| I heard from teachers at my school that it's basically an excuse to tell you that foreigners are all evil pedophiles who have no rights, dressed up as a cultural event so it doesn't look like they're being xenophobic. |
Yeah, that's what I was imagining when I first read this thread. I was about to write that it is people's moral imperative to NOT go, but then ontheway wrote his post. I was just totally dumbfounded.
I don't live in Daegu. Do other areas do this thing? Or is this only currently happening in colorful Daegu? |
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different
Joined: 22 May 2003
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Come to think of it, the fact that they only gave 4 days notice is COMPLETELY disrespectful to all the foreigners that had to attend, and shows that there probably ARE racist motives behind the event.
"Xenophobia" is too tame of a word to describe some of the stupidity I've seen in this country. SHAME ON DAEGU. |
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hermitQueen
Joined: 13 Mar 2006
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| Posted: Sun Jun 19, 2011 6:44 pm Post subject: |
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| Wow. This entire thread simply reinforces the disgust and embarrassment I felt at the behavior of my fellow E-2 teachers during the seminar. I didn't want to be there either, but I went and made the best of it. And at the very least I was polite. I blogged about the meeting - my opinions of the event itself as well as the obnoxious behavior of so many of my compatriots - here: http://internationalcatladyofmystery.blogspot.com/2011/06/daegu-e-2-visa-holder-shindig.html. |
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HymanKaplan
Joined: 14 Jun 2011
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| Posted: Tue Jun 21, 2011 5:17 am Post subject: |
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| I heard from teachers at my school that it's basically an excuse to tell you that foreigners are all evil pedophiles who have no rights, dressed up as a cultural event so it doesn't look like they're being xenophobic. |
Yeah, that's what I was imagining when I first read this thread. I was about to write that it is people's moral imperative to NOT go, but then ontheway wrote his post. I was just totally dumbfounded.
I don't live in Daegu. Do other areas do this thing? Or is this only currently happening in colorful Daegu? |
In actually it was a chance to see the chief of police tell us that Daegu is a very conservative society, and while he knows that foreigners like to do drugs and molest children, would we please not do that while we're in Korea. Then he told us that we should all drink less and exercise more, and read us a whole list of offenses that constitute a public nuisance.
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HymanKaplan
Joined: 14 Jun 2011
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| Posted: Tue Jun 21, 2011 5:28 am Post subject: |
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| different wrote: |
Come to think of it, the fact that they only gave 4 days notice is COMPLETELY disrespectful to all the foreigners that had to attend, and shows that there probably ARE racist motives behind the event.
"Xenophobia" is too tame of a word to describe some of the stupidity I've seen in this country. SHAME ON DAEGU. |
Not xenophobic. Just kind of ignorant. I've noticed that a lot of my students tend to be very parochial with almost no understanding of or interest in the world outside Korea (to be fair, many Americans are too, but I always chose to avoid that kind). I imagine that the older generation its even more so.
My students tell me about how crime ridden and dirty America is and how we all hate Koreans. I'm sure there are parts of the country that are crime-ridden and anti-Korean, but I've never seen them. I've definitely never seen a city as dirty as Daegu, except for Xi'an in China.
Likewise Americans probably do use drugs more than Koreans, and back home may commit sex crimes at about the same rate. But I'm pretty sure that Americans who come her are aware of the drug laws, and the screening process weeds out both criminals and drug users, so it's kind of absurd he was lecturing us.
But plenty of Americans rant about immigrants, and I'm pretty sure that first-generation immigrants--legal and illegal, have a lower crime rate than native-born Americans. So yeah, it's not just Korea. It sucks to be on the receiving end, but it's also kind of funny.
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different
Joined: 22 May 2003
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| Posted: Sun Jun 26, 2011 10:04 am Post subject: |
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Revisited this thread...
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| Wow. This entire thread simply reinforces the disgust and embarrassment I felt at the behavior of my fellow E-2 teachers during the seminar. I didn't want to be there either, but I went and made the best of it. And at the very least I was polite. I blogged about the meeting - my opinions of the event itself as well as the obnoxious behavior of so many of my compatriots - here: http://internationalcatladyofmystery.blogspot.com/2011/06/daegu-e-2-visa-holder-shindig.html. |
Hey Hermit Queen, don't you dare. I don't live in Daegu and didn't attend the meeting, though I can imagine what kind of juvenile behavior may have taken place. But don't group every criticism of the event in the same category as the behavior you saw. That's incredibly simple-minded of you.
Let's think a little now...
All the foreign teachers in Daegu (from hagwons at least) get rounded up, AS A GROUP, with 4 days notice, and lectured on common sense issues. This group event of course emphasizes that foreigners are an out group in this society (that's the key first step to racism), and also suggests that this out group needs to be lectured on common sense issues, which sends the unconscious message to foreigners and Koreans in Daegu that foreigners (the out group) are like a bunch of juvenile delinquents.
Even if there are no bad intentions behind the event, the event sends bad messages. It subtly reinforces racist psychological processes among Koreans in Daegu, and subtly dehumanizes foreigners.
That's why it's wrong, Hermit Queen. Think a little more.
Did I go to the event and make an ass of myself? No. Have I gotten crap here at times for being a foreign male (that's the stupidity I was referring to before)? Yes, though not that bad and things have gotten better here over time. Maybe my previous post was over-emotional. Do I have the right to criticize an event that has no utility, sends bad messages, and may have some perverted ulterior motives behind it? Absolutely.
As for the behavior you saw, I don't know. I'm sure a lot of teachers resented being there for the reasons I've mentioned here (reasons you were apparently oblivious to). Also read about Neil Zimbardo's Stanford Prison Experiment, a psychology experiment that showed how easily people's behavior can fall in line with what's expected of them. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2011 1:16 am Post subject: |
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| different wrote: |
Revisited this thread...
| hermitQueen wrote: |
| Wow. This entire thread simply reinforces the disgust and embarrassment I felt at the behavior of my fellow E-2 teachers during the seminar. I didn't want to be there either, but I went and made the best of it. And at the very least I was polite. I blogged about the meeting - my opinions of the event itself as well as the obnoxious behavior of so many of my compatriots - here: http://internationalcatladyofmystery.blogspot.com/2011/06/daegu-e-2-visa-holder-shindig.html. |
Hey Hermit Queen, don't you dare. I don't live in Daegu and didn't attend the meeting, though I can imagine what kind of juvenile behavior may have taken place. But don't group every criticism of the event in the same category as the behavior you saw. That's incredibly simple-minded of you.
Let's think a little now...
All the foreign teachers in Daegu (from hagwons at least) get rounded up, AS A GROUP, with 4 days notice, and lectured on common sense issues. This group event of course emphasizes that foreigners are an out group in this society (that's the key first step to racism), and also suggests that this out group needs to be lectured on common sense issues, which sends the unconscious message to foreigners and Koreans in Daegu that foreigners (the out group) are like a bunch of juvenile delinquents.
Even if there are no bad intentions behind the event, the event sends bad messages. It subtly reinforces racist psychological processes among Koreans in Daegu, and subtly dehumanizes foreigners.
That's why it's wrong, Hermit Queen. Think a little more.
Did I go to the event and make an ass of myself? No. Have I gotten crap here at times for being a foreign male (that's the stupidity I was referring to before)? Yes, though not that bad and things have gotten better here over time. Maybe my previous post was over-emotional. Do I have the right to criticize an event that has no utility, sends bad messages, and may have some perverted ulterior motives behind it? Absolutely.
As for the behavior you saw, I don't know. I'm sure a lot of teachers resented being there for the reasons I've mentioned here (reasons you were apparently oblivious to). Also read about Neil Zimbardo's Stanford Prison Experiment, a psychology experiment that showed how easily people's behavior can fall in line with what's expected of them. |
Thinking is good...but let's think some more about what you said.
First you claim that this "sends the unconscious message to foreigners and Koreans in Daegu that foreigners (the out group) are like a bunch of juvenile delinquents." Well according to Hermit Queen a number of them WERE acting like juvenile delinquents. Plus the vast majority of Koreans in Daegu were probably unaware of this event taking place and could care even less if they knew. Most foreigners and Koreans in Daegu either wouldn't know or care if they did.
Then you claim that such events are reinforcing "racist psychological processes among Koreans in Daegu" Really? Know how many millions of Koreans live in Daegu? Now how many Koreans there (apart from those at the meeting) knew there was even a meeting or what it was about?
But it is this one that really takes the cake. You mention the bad behaviour of some foreigners at the event and state "read about Neil Zimbardo's Stanford Prison Experience, a psychology experiment that showed how easily people's behaviour can fall in line with what's expected of them". So foreigners who would never dream of behaving badly on their own had their behavior radically changed by a few speeches? Really? Are we that weak-minded?
No. Idiots are idiots the world over and don't need an excuse for their behavior. They were idiots before the event and will be idiots afterwards. |
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SNOTOSEOUL
Joined: 12 Apr 2010
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| Posted: Fri Jul 01, 2011 12:09 am Post subject: |
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I think it would be the equivalent of our countries rounding up all the Koreans and telling them....
1. dont eat dog. some of you do it back home, but it's a very serious issue here.
2. dont kill yourself after losing at starcraft or failing a class.
3. And don't shoot people at your university.
But then have a cowboy and indian story or an aboriginal dancer or something like that. Plus a introduction to tylenol and ibuprofen |
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