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Radius
Joined: 20 Dec 2009
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 Posted: Tue Jun 21, 2011 9:01 pm Post subject: Korean children |
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Some have no fear of adult authority. They throw crap on the floor, chuck things out of windows, draw on the walls and desks, won't give you things when you demand it.
Some of these kids have major problems. And what do the parents and adults do when they act like this? Nothing |
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Greenman
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| Posted: Tue Jun 21, 2011 9:07 pm Post subject: |
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Some American/Canadian/British and Australian kids have no fear of adult authority. They throw crap on the floor, chuck things out of windows, draw on the walls and desks, won't give you things when you demand it.
Some of these kids have major problems. And what do the parents and adults do when they act like this? Nothing |
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young_clinton
Joined: 09 Sep 2009
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| Posted: Tue Jun 21, 2011 9:16 pm Post subject: Re: Korean children |
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| Radius wrote: |
Some have no fear of adult authority. They throw crap on the floor, chuck things out of windows, draw on the walls and desks, won't give you things when you demand it.
Some of these kids have major problems. And what do the parents and adults do when they act like this? Nothing |
Different culture, different expectations for the children. The children work hard and are allowed to be somewhat more spoiled than in the west. What I found to be exasperating was the stubborness of the children to learn English despite pretty good teaching materials in the public schools. Also there was no recourse for the Korean English teachers to deal with the stubborness other than seriously raising thier voices and from what I understand using corporal punishment. Seriously the teaching materials were really decent, but the students were just plain pig stubborn.
You should try teaching Thai students in private secondary schools, much worse, much more stubborn. It takes two hours to do a lesson that should take 1 hour. |
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eamo
Joined: 08 Mar 2003
Location: Shepherd's Bush, 1964.
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| Posted: Tue Jun 21, 2011 9:19 pm Post subject: |
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Raising a well-behaved child is pretty hard work.....as I'm finding out these days!
Some parents don't have the time or inclination to put the work in.
And yeah. It's the same all over.
Although I do detect among my Korean friends that there's a notion that young boys can be allowed to run riot a bit more than young girls do. Something about it being more natural for a boy to be boisterous. My wife's nephew was an absolute little monster until he got to about 6 years old. Before, when he did something evil, everyone would should laugh and think how cute it was for him to be so mischievous.....so, of course he continued acting wild. Now I think he's just run out of steam! |
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nero
Joined: 11 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Tue Jun 21, 2011 10:18 pm Post subject: Re: Korean children |
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| You should try teaching Thai students in private secondary schools, much worse, much more stubborn. It takes two hours to do a lesson that should take 1 hour. |
You must have had bad classes. I loved loved loved teaching high school in Thailand. The students were enthusiastic and hilarious. They always worked pretty hard, too.
(edit - of course not ALL of them were hilarious and great...but a large majority. Still miss some of them.) |
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Radius
Joined: 20 Dec 2009
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| Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2011 12:29 am Post subject: |
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The thing is, these kids KNOW they can get away with what they're doing so they do it. It's the parent's fault plain and simple.
I was a teacher in America, and kids had 2 times (not kidding) the manners and respect Korean kids have. May even be 3 times. |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
Location: Earth, Solar System
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| Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2011 2:20 pm Post subject: |
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| Radius wrote: |
The thing is, these kids KNOW they can get away with what they're doing so they do it. It's the parent's fault plain and simple.
I was a teacher in America, and kids had 2 times (not kidding) the manners and respect Korean kids have. May even be 3 times. |
Where did you teach? Pinecrestviewbrush Subrubia? My mother was a teacher in the States as well, but it was in a very diverse school with a few poor neighborhoods. I'd sometimes visit her and shake my head at the anarchy. No wonder she took early retirement.
Language teachers always get it the worst, especially if they are foreign.
My students know they can't get away with too much or else they get it. |
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Radius
Joined: 20 Dec 2009
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| Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2011 2:59 pm Post subject: |
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| Steelrails wrote: |
| Radius wrote: |
The thing is, these kids KNOW they can get away with what they're doing so they do it. It's the parent's fault plain and simple.
I was a teacher in America, and kids had 2 times (not kidding) the manners and respect Korean kids have. May even be 3 times. |
Where did you teach? Pinecrestviewbrush Subrubia? My mother was a teacher in the States as well, but it was in a very diverse school with a few poor neighborhoods. I'd sometimes visit her and shake my head at the anarchy. No wonder she took early retirement.
Language teachers always get it the worst, especially if they are foreign.
My students know they can't get away with too much or else they get it. |
excluding inner-city or near inner-city kids. Im talking about normal suburb---and not high school either--you couldn't pay me enough to teach those know-it-alls.
im talking about the average 8-12 year olds in America |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2011 5:23 pm Post subject: |
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| Radius wrote: |
The thing is, these kids KNOW they can get away with what they're doing so they do it. It's the parent's fault plain and simple.
I was a teacher in America, and kids had 2 times (not kidding) the manners and respect Korean kids have. May even be 3 times. |
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Steelrails
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| Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2011 5:58 pm Post subject: |
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| Radius wrote: |
| Steelrails wrote: |
| Radius wrote: |
The thing is, these kids KNOW they can get away with what they're doing so they do it. It's the parent's fault plain and simple.
I was a teacher in America, and kids had 2 times (not kidding) the manners and respect Korean kids have. May even be 3 times. |
Where did you teach? Pinecrestviewbrush Subrubia? My mother was a teacher in the States as well, but it was in a very diverse school with a few poor neighborhoods. I'd sometimes visit her and shake my head at the anarchy. No wonder she took early retirement.
Language teachers always get it the worst, especially if they are foreign.
My students know they can't get away with too much or else they get it. |
excluding inner-city or near inner-city kids. Im talking about normal suburb---and not high school either--you couldn't pay me enough to teach those know-it-alls.
im talking about the average 8-12 year olds in America |
I presume in non uh, crimson collared areas as well.
So in other words American children, as long as they are from lily-white middle to upper middle class suburbs, are great, but only for four years.
I went to a Waldorf school for part of elementary. We were great. Then again, it helped that every kid was gifted. |
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Ninjaniki
Joined: 05 Jul 2008
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| Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2011 6:47 pm Post subject: |
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| Steelrails wrote: |
| Radius wrote: |
| Steelrails wrote: |
| Radius wrote: |
The thing is, these kids KNOW they can get away with what they're doing so they do it. It's the parent's fault plain and simple.
I was a teacher in America, and kids had 2 times (not kidding) the manners and respect Korean kids have. May even be 3 times. |
Where did you teach? Pinecrestviewbrush Subrubia? My mother was a teacher in the States as well, but it was in a very diverse school with a few poor neighborhoods. I'd sometimes visit her and shake my head at the anarchy. No wonder she took early retirement.
Language teachers always get it the worst, especially if they are foreign.
My students know they can't get away with too much or else they get it. |
excluding inner-city or near inner-city kids. Im talking about normal suburb---and not high school either--you couldn't pay me enough to teach those know-it-alls.
im talking about the average 8-12 year olds in America |
I presume in non uh, crimson collared areas as well.
So in other words American children, as long as they are from lily-white middle to upper middle class suburbs, are great, but only for four years.
I went to a Waldorf school for part of elementary. We were great. Then again, it helped that every kid was gifted. |
That's funny on so many levels. American kids are great except those 'inner city kids' ( code word for those poor black, hispanic, native american, and unfortunate white kids). This is America, you can't exclude anyone. |
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Radius
Joined: 20 Dec 2009
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| Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2011 8:24 pm Post subject: |
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[quote="Ninjaniki"]
| Steelrails wrote: |
| Radius wrote: |
| Steelrails wrote: |
| Radius wrote: |
The thing is, these kids KNOW they can get away with what they're doing so they do it. It's the parent's fault plain and simple.
I was a teacher in America, and kids had 2 times (not kidding) the manners and respect Korean kids have. May even be 3 times. |
Where did you teach? Pinecrestviewbrush Subrubia? My mother was a teacher in the States as well, but it was in a very diverse school with a few poor neighborhoods. I'd sometimes visit her and shake my head at the anarchy. No wonder she took early retirement.
Language teachers always get it the worst, especially if they are foreign.
My students know they can't get away with too much or else they get it. |
excluding inner-city or near inner-city kids. Im talking about normal suburb---and not high school either--you couldn't pay me enough to teach those know-it-alls.
im talking about the average 8-12 year olds in America |
I presume in non uh, crimson collared areas as well.
So in other words American children, as long as they are from lily-white middle to upper middle class suburbs, are great, but only for four years.
I went to a Waldorf school for part of elementary. We were great. Then again, it helped that every kid was gifted. |
That's funny on so many levels. American kids are great except those 'inner city kids' ( code word for those poor black, hispanic, native american, and unfortunate white kids). This is America, you can't exclude anyone.[/quote]
I can't? I just did...
And besides, it's true. Suburban kids white and black are better behaved than inner city ones. You want to be PC and teach inner city kids, lol have fun and be prepared to be called every racial slur in the book, have your life verbally and potentially physically threatened and have most of your directions go in one ear and out the other. You want that? Be my guest. |
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Radius
Joined: 20 Dec 2009
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| Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2011 8:25 pm Post subject: |
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[quote="Ninjaniki"]
| Steelrails wrote: |
| Radius wrote: |
| Steelrails wrote: |
| Radius wrote: |
The thing is, these kids KNOW they can get away with what they're doing so they do it. It's the parent's fault plain and simple.
I was a teacher in America, and kids had 2 times (not kidding) the manners and respect Korean kids have. May even be 3 times. |
Where did you teach? Pinecrestviewbrush Subrubia? My mother was a teacher in the States as well, but it was in a very diverse school with a few poor neighborhoods. I'd sometimes visit her and shake my head at the anarchy. No wonder she took early retirement.
Language teachers always get it the worst, especially if they are foreign.
My students know they can't get away with too much or else they get it. |
excluding inner-city or near inner-city kids. Im talking about normal suburb---and not high school either--you couldn't pay me enough to teach those know-it-alls.
im talking about the average 8-12 year olds in America |
I presume in non uh, crimson collared areas as well.
So in other words American children, as long as they are from lily-white middle to upper middle class suburbs, are great, but only for four years.
I went to a Waldorf school for part of elementary. We were great. Then again, it helped that every kid was gifted. |
That's funny on so many levels. American kids are great except those 'inner city kids' ( code word for those poor black, hispanic, native american, and unfortunate white kids). This is America, you can't exclude anyone.[/quote]
I can't? I just did...
And besides, it's true. Suburban kids white and black are better behaved than inner city ones. You want to be PC and teach inner city kids, lol have fun and be prepared to be called every racial slur in the book, have your life verbally and potentially physically threatened and have most of your directions go in one ear and out the other. You want that? Be my guest. |
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methdxman
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| Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2011 10:24 pm Post subject: |
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I think Korean children are definitely worse than my generation, but I don't think that they're any worse or better than American kids. You tend to see more extremes in American schools... bullying is quite common in most schools (inner city or not).
While we're on that topic, of course it's true that inner city school kids are less well-behaved. They tend to come from more chaotic backgrounds and act out more.
Koreans in general tend to "act out" at work and at school when there's no "true" authority figure around. And most of you don't represent a true authority figure to them.
But I'd rather have this then getting blasted by some disgruntled employee/student. So hey! Ya take the good with the bad! |
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Ninjaniki
Joined: 05 Jul 2008
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| Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2011 10:30 pm Post subject: |
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[quote="Radius"]
| Ninjaniki wrote: |
| Steelrails wrote: |
| Radius wrote: |
| Steelrails wrote: |
| Radius wrote: |
The thing is, these kids KNOW they can get away with what they're doing so they do it. It's the parent's fault plain and simple.
I was a teacher in America, and kids had 2 times (not kidding) the manners and respect Korean kids have. May even be 3 times. |
Where did you teach? Pinecrestviewbrush Subrubia? My mother was a teacher in the States as well, but it was in a very diverse school with a few poor neighborhoods. I'd sometimes visit her and shake my head at the anarchy. No wonder she took early retirement.
Language teachers always get it the worst, especially if they are foreign.
My students know they can't get away with too much or else they get it. |
excluding inner-city or near inner-city kids. Im talking about normal suburb---and not high school either--you couldn't pay me enough to teach those know-it-alls.
im talking about the average 8-12 year olds in America |
I presume in non uh, crimson collared areas as well.
So in other words American children, as long as they are from lily-white middle to upper middle class suburbs, are great, but only for four years.
I went to a Waldorf school for part of elementary. We were great. Then again, it helped that every kid was gifted. |
That's funny on so many levels. American kids are great except those 'inner city kids' ( code word for those poor black, hispanic, native american, and unfortunate white kids). This is America, you can't exclude anyone.[/quote]
I can't? I just did...
And besides, it's true. Suburban kids white and black are better behaved than inner city ones. You want to be PC and teach inner city kids, lol have fun and be prepared to be called every racial slur in the book, have your life verbally and potentially physically threatened and have most of your directions go in one ear and out the other. You want that? Be my guest. |
People and their assumptions. First off, I am one of those inner city kids. I was born and raised in Chicago. I am not white. That throws your ignorant assuming I'm white theory out the window. For half of my school years I went to a catholic school, and for the other half I went to public schools. I know what it's like more than you do. Stop exaggerating. Kids are kids and no matter who they are, and you will find some bad ones in the cities and in your pristine suburbs. White kids in the surburbs can't be violent? They'll make a list and come back and shoot up their school, that sounds physically threatening to me. You have to be able to relate to any kids that you are working with. If this is your exerience, with an attitude like that, you deserve that hard time. Kids can sniff out teachers like you, with a superiority complex. We are all Americans, and you can't go around excluding certain groups of people to make American kids look better than Korean. |
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