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Steelrails

Joined: 12 Mar 2009 Location: Earth, Solar System
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Posted: Mon Jun 20, 2011 2:45 pm Post subject: |
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Who really knows what goes on with obesity and diet health.
My dad has like no fat, isn't really muscular, and will probably live to 100.
My mom has been overweight forever, goes to exercise classes, and has occasional health problems.
Both eat the same food. When I was a child it was a mixed bag of healthy and unhealthy. Their diet is somewhat more healthy now.
Food is important, but so are genetics and luck. And again, portion size, portion size, portion size. That and cola. Cola is a dessert, not a water substitute. We used to understand that back home, which is why sometimes you'll see older people use the phrase "have a Coke" in much the same way they'd say "I'm going to have an ice cream." and consume it in such a fashion.
It's strange, usually when someone mentions a country's cuisine people are pretty quick to say healthy or unhealthy. No one sits and tries to argue that Greek or Japanese food is unhealthy. No one tries to hold up British food as a pillar of nutrition.
I agree though that the midwestern poor and working class diet is often abysmal. But that's diet and not food. |
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methdxman
Joined: 14 Sep 2010
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Posted: Mon Jun 20, 2011 2:55 pm Post subject: |
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| Steelrails wrote: |
Who really knows what goes on with obesity and diet health.
My dad has like no fat, isn't really muscular, and will probably live to 100.
My mom has been overweight forever, goes to exercise classes, and has occasional health problems.
Both eat the same food. When I was a child it was a mixed bag of healthy and unhealthy. Their diet is somewhat more healthy now.
Food is important, but so are genetics and luck. And again, portion size, portion size, portion size. That and cola. Cola is a dessert, not a water substitute. We used to understand that back home, which is why sometimes you'll see older people use the phrase "have a Coke" in much the same way they'd say "I'm going to have an ice cream." and consume it in such a fashion.
It's strange, usually when someone mentions a country's cuisine people are pretty quick to say healthy or unhealthy. No one sits and tries to argue that Greek or Japanese food is unhealthy. No one tries to hold up British food as a pillar of nutrition.
I agree though that the midwestern poor and working class diet is often abysmal. But that's diet and not food. |
I don't think diet and food are that important of a distinction in today's society.
Us humans like to believe that we're the masters of our own destiny but in most cases this isn't true. Everyone wants to think that they're unique and that they can do whatever they want but we all react according to many different systems that surround us. This includes food/diet.
Americans are not just fat because they just simply have poorer self control than anyone else. It's a combination of many different factors that has gotten the States to the sad food state that it finds itself in. |
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minos
Joined: 01 Dec 2010 Location: kOREA
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Posted: Mon Jun 20, 2011 4:21 pm Post subject: |
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Just because they have them doesn't mean they stuff their face with them to the same extent, or have similar lifestyles in terms of activity. To suggest that Europeans have a different genetic 'body type' from Americans is downright bizarre logic.
Forgive me if I missed your point, but that seemed to be the implication. |
Europeans have the same foods he blamed for the obesity epidemic(sugar . They just don't stuff themselves. I wasn't clear on that end.
Asians usually have body types that don't really "gain" fat. Believe me, I never met thin dude back homes who complained about how to keep off weight. They did talk about the struggle to gain weight or muscle mass alot. |
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carleverson
Joined: 04 Dec 2009
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Posted: Mon Jun 20, 2011 7:59 pm Post subject: |
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| minos wrote: |
| Skipperoo wrote: |
Just because they have them doesn't mean they stuff their face with them to the same extent, or have similar lifestyles in terms of activity. To suggest that Europeans have a different genetic 'body type' from Americans is downright bizarre logic.
Forgive me if I missed your point, but that seemed to be the implication. |
Europeans have the same foods he blamed for the obesity epidemic(sugar . They just don't stuff themselves. I wasn't clear on that end.
Asians usually have body types that don't really "gain" fat. Believe me, I never met thin dude back homes who complained about how to keep off weight. They did talk about the struggle to gain weight or muscle mass alot. |
No, Northeast Asians are known to gain weight around their waists in greater proportion to the the rest of their bodies. So Koreans are fat, you just can't see it very well. Caucasians gain weight more proportionally throughout their bodies. |
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Sticks
Joined: 13 Mar 2011 Location: Seoul, Korea
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Posted: Mon Jun 20, 2011 9:50 pm Post subject: |
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I can say that in the past few months i've been steadily putting on weight. Both deskwarming and the standard tray-full-of-food-and-banchan every day for lunch/dinner didn't help, neither did the weekly-biweekly lunch/dinners at the local Samgyeopsal joint. I'm wondering if I should start getting up earlier to have breakfast and a light lunch, then skip dinner entirely. Or cut out the Carbs like rice and...pretty much everything else on the damn plate...  |
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nero
Joined: 11 Mar 2009
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Posted: Tue Jun 21, 2011 5:10 am Post subject: |
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Why is 'American diet' equated with 'Western diet?'
Just interested to know. |
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rainism
Joined: 13 Apr 2011
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Posted: Thu Jun 23, 2011 6:10 am Post subject: |
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| minos wrote: |
| wishfullthinkng wrote: |
| minos wrote: |
| Koreans are thinner becuase of their body type. Not they're diet. |
very wrong. please watch the video i posted in my first reply on this thread.
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SODA is the real killer. 3 cans of soda can replace a meal.
Americans chug that stuff like crazy. |
very right. people need to stop drinking soda. |
Body type: All my gyopo friends who eat western diets are also skinny as hell or at least low body fat....including the ones raised as adoptees to fat white people.
There are plenty of loser/nerdy dudes with god awful diets of alcohol, ramyeon, and snacks along with 16+ hours of sitting a day in Korea.
Still thin as a rail 90% of the time. Those same dudes back home are always either:
Super fat
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bean pole thin (like koreans)
It ain't the "carbs". Those folks couldn't gain weight unless they ate tubs of ice cream each day.
Also, what about Europe? Less fat people, but they have all the same sugars, candies, and sweets. |
surely surely surely you JEST!
are you saying these are "American" genetics?
btw.. tons of fat Koreans around where I live, especially women. Low socioeconomic area. Sound familiar?
Americans eat more crap than anyone else in terms of fat, calories, etc and they eat twice as much of it in terms of portion size. Add to that American ""snacking" habits and the fact they rarely move their asses to get out of their cars and you have the answer to your American obesity problem.
Which is now going global btw, especially in societies where they've adapted the American "go go" lifestyle.. eg.. UK and to lesser extent Germany.
Korean fat distribution, is a little different. There's a guy at my gym who has a significantly smaller waist and hips than I do but has 2% more bodyfat. I was very surprised, but the machine doesn't lie. His musculature has little vascularity however. |
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minos
Joined: 01 Dec 2010 Location: kOREA
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Posted: Thu Jun 23, 2011 11:14 pm Post subject: |
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| carleverson wrote: |
| minos wrote: |
| Skipperoo wrote: |
Just because they have them doesn't mean they stuff their face with them to the same extent, or have similar lifestyles in terms of activity. To suggest that Europeans have a different genetic 'body type' from Americans is downright bizarre logic.
Forgive me if I missed your point, but that seemed to be the implication. |
Europeans have the same foods he blamed for the obesity epidemic(sugar . They just don't stuff themselves. I wasn't clear on that end.
Asians usually have body types that don't really "gain" fat. Believe me, I never met thin dude back homes who complained about how to keep off weight. They did talk about the struggle to gain weight or muscle mass alot. |
No, Northeast Asians are known to gain weight around their waists in greater proportion to the the rest of their bodies. So Koreans are fat, you just can't see it very well. Caucasians gain weight more proportionally throughout their bodies. |
If they're fat their body weight should reflect it unless koreans are using rigged scales.
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surely surely surely you JEST!
are you saying these are "American" genetics?
btw.. tons of fat Koreans around where I live, especially women. Low socioeconomic area. Sound familiar? |
Are they older as well? I don't see too many poor fat AND young people.
It's not American genetics, but rather that American body types skew towards body types that gain more weight easily. |
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rainism
Joined: 13 Apr 2011
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Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2011 8:51 pm Post subject: |
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| minos wrote: |
| carleverson wrote: |
| minos wrote: |
| Skipperoo wrote: |
Just because they have them doesn't mean they stuff their face with them to the same extent, or have similar lifestyles in terms of activity. To suggest that Europeans have a different genetic 'body type' from Americans is downright bizarre logic.
Forgive me if I missed your point, but that seemed to be the implication. |
Europeans have the same foods he blamed for the obesity epidemic(sugar . They just don't stuff themselves. I wasn't clear on that end.
Asians usually have body types that don't really "gain" fat. Believe me, I never met thin dude back homes who complained about how to keep off weight. They did talk about the struggle to gain weight or muscle mass alot. |
No, Northeast Asians are known to gain weight around their waists in greater proportion to the the rest of their bodies. So Koreans are fat, you just can't see it very well. Caucasians gain weight more proportionally throughout their bodies. |
If they're fat their body weight should reflect it unless koreans are using rigged scales.
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surely surely surely you JEST!
are you saying these are "American" genetics?
btw.. tons of fat Koreans around where I live, especially women. Low socioeconomic area. Sound familiar? |
Are they older as well? I don't see too many poor fat AND young people.
It's not American genetics, but rather that American body types skew towards body types that gain more weight easily. |
yes! very much so young AND fat. The amount of young fat women in particular is downright appalling. And when I say fat, I mean fat with fat rolls every which way, "American" style.
Not sure I buy your American body type explanation also. Hard to define an average American body type/ethnic mix but if forced to I'd say some kind of German-Irish mongrel type.
it's 90% plus dietary habits and moving one's ass. That's why the same german irish mongrel that lives in Colorado will look completely different than their mongrel cousin in some god forsaken city in the Rust Belt or South. |
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southernman
Joined: 15 Jan 2010 Location: On the mainland again
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Posted: Sat Jun 25, 2011 8:19 pm Post subject: |
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I've browsed through this mainly because its raining very heavily today.
I think we agree that most restaurant food is crap and unhealthy in both Korea and western countries, with obvious exceptions.
Any serious athlete prepares their own meals the world over. So in the OP's case he no doubt cooks his own food. No one should claim to be any kind of a serious athlete unless they can and do prepare the majority of their meals or gets someone else too, even highschool athletes know that
I've been here for a while now, the only time i've ever been overweight was due to the fact I had to much PS food, especially the disgusting white rice.
I had my recent health check about two weeks ago. I'm the ideal weight for my height and my blood pressure was spot on as well (and I'm old as hehe). Recently over the last few months I've cut out rice completley from my school diet and cut back on most other things. Which helped me lose several kilos of wintertime overeating.
I cook at home, with heaps of vegetables and am very choosey about the meat I eat. It's hardly rocket science, eating well. You cook your meals yourself, you use only healthy ingredients and in some crazy mystical way you become healthy.
A lot of fat/unhealthy people use the excuse that they lead such busy lives that they haven't the time to prepare and cook their own meals, off course this is bollocks. But it is certainly extreme bollocks in the case of teachers here, we work riduculously short hours and have heaps of free time. |
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