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rainism
Joined: 13 Apr 2011
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 Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2011 7:46 am Post subject: |
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| the correct way to say it would be to work for a specific SCHOOL under the Gepik contract. |
If a teacher doesn't go through a recruiter and doesn't go to Korea to look for a school directly, can they still get a GEPIK job?
The answer is yes. How? You apply through GEPIK. You are not told which school you work "for", as you aren't really working for the school. Therefore, your employer is in fact GEPIK. The school is only acting in agency for their principal, GEPIK (which in the case I outlined you haven't signed a contract with).
You are wrong, "a specific school under a gepik contract" is not correct. If the school puts a condition in the contract GEPIK doesn't want, it is null and void. (Example, the school cannot give you a higher salary, but they can sign another contract privately to pay you more. I know, I did this.)
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ok, in that case, why isn't the signature on the gepik contract you sign gepik's? it's the principal's (of the school you're working for)
if one were to accept your argument, then everyone working under the same gepik contract would have at least very similar working experiences, working conditions and demands placed upon them. That's definitely not the case.
going back to the very original question posed by the OP in this thread, the answer you would pose would be "all vacation times are the same".
the answer isn't exactly the same. For e.g. on this forum, a while back some guy was made to come in and deskwarm on an off day for his school's birthday.
I've never had to do that for any day during the school year when school isn't in session. I didn't even have to fill out any forms.
I also know at least two people who still haven't deskwarmed a single day in several years during school vacations, gepik memos notwithstanding. On this board you sometimes find people who have camps forced upon them with the end result being that their vacation is severely restricted if not shortened altogether.
some people aren't allowed to leave school grounds to go to the bank or even have lunch outside without signing out. Some people have such time counted against their workday. Other people come and go as they please without having to sign a thing and needless to say it doesn't affect their hours worked/accounted for.
Some people are given half days during exam times, similar to Korean teachers.
it goes on and on.
similar in a broad "overall" sense. Yes.
Same? No.
Identical"? Never. |
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koreatimes
Joined: 07 Jun 2011
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| Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2011 8:38 am Post subject: |
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| ok, in that case, why isn't the signature on the gepik contract you sign gepik's? it's the principal's (of the school you're working for) |
The premise I outlined was 1) You are not in Korea (therefore the principal can't sign it), 2) You haven't been assigned to a school yet (so no school could "own you"). You are applying to GEPIK and signed a contract to work with GEPIK. The assignment is given later. This never happens in a hagwon situation.
Second point is, the signature of the principal is not the same as your signature. You are representing yourself. The school is representing GEPIK. Otherwise, the school would be able to modify the contract and make significant changes (like with salary) without consulting GEPIK. They can't, but in contrast a hagwon could.
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| then everyone working under the same gepik contract would have at least very similar working experiences, working conditions and demands placed upon them. That's definitely not the case. |
If you go to two restaurants owned by the same company, you could very easily get two different services. Nothing is guaranteed (judge 1 to judge 2 at the same courthouse, doctor 1 to doctor 2 at the same hospital, or teacher 1 to teacher 2 at the same school) that you would get the same verdict, prescription, or education (respectively).
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| it goes on and on. |
What goes on? You didn't list any contract terms. You simply stated variables GEPIK is not concerned about. How many people you know signed a GEPIK contract with a 2.5 salary their first year and not have anything beyond a Bachelor's to show for it? Then, think of the same thing of a hagwon.
Now I would like you to answer this one.
If GEPIK is not the higher authority and all schools under GEPIK can use whatever contract they want, then why don't they use SMOE contracts or EPIK contracts. Why do they explicitly say "GEPIK" on them? If you are going to write it off to lack of supply, then by all means get your own SMOE or EPIK contract and have a school "working through GEPIK" (quotes stressed) sign it.
See how far that goes. I doubt you will succeed.
I wish companies ran the same way for everyone. I would sure like to have an executive salary like Bill Gates or Steve Jobs has instead of what their minions make (which still isn't bad, just under their status). |
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Malislamusrex
Joined: 01 Feb 2010
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| Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2011 4:11 pm Post subject: |
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The principal at my school 3 years ago is now the head of our provincial office, the VP is now the principal. I think every school and provincial office know each other, if they want to make your life easy they can.
But one thing you are right about, the only person who has any power at your school is the principal, buy him a gift before every vacation period.
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| f your principal is is on good terms with you, you you will probably get 20 days, it's the contract. But in Korea there is a big difference between principal liking you and wanting you to stay and being on good terms. If you are liked and your school wants you to stay there is no contract. |
not quite. The school still has to deal with the gepik inspectors who inspect their books every couple of years, including all the bs paperwork relating to the native teacher and their vacation(s).
However, the principals are allowed a lot of discretion in all matters, and creative paperwork has been known to be filed. It's all bureaucratic paper shuffling and document checking anyway. Generally speaking, I don't disagree with the theme you are driving at but such "goodwill" will have to come from the highest levels (basically principal) as no one else below on the chain will have the authority and no one will want to be held responsible in case the POE doesn't like something in the paperwork. |
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jrwhite82
Joined: 22 May 2010
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| Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2011 7:56 pm Post subject: |
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Wow, should this thread be moved to off topic.
OP - People will get their minimum 20 days. A lot of people will get a handful more because their principal is cool and doesn't want them to deskwarm for half days or at all. A lot of us get only the 20 days because our principal follows the terms of the contract. It's really a flip of the coin.
If you are on good terms with your principal, I wouldn't take it as a sign of a souring relationship. He/She is just following the contract.
If you're on bad terms....well then what did you expect?  |
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ThingsComeAround
Joined: 07 Nov 2008
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| Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2011 10:54 pm Post subject: |
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To the OP:
The usual: ten business days in the summer and another ten in the winter.
Or, you could work out a deal which means you do more camp in one season for a longer vacation during the opposite time. |
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DanseurVertical
Joined: 24 Nov 2010
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| Posted: Tue Jun 28, 2011 9:07 pm Post subject: |
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At least for this week my help is legitimately needed from time to time. So I'm not just completely free of tasks, locked up in the school.
So, I'm no longer paranoid about my particular school / department, and that's the main reason I posted in the first place. |
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sojusucks
Joined: 31 May 2008
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| Posted: Sat Jul 02, 2011 2:30 pm Post subject: |
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| It depends. When Wenise Kim was there she would help teachers find a job. Dain Bae wants nothing to do with us unless we become one of her few lackies. |
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