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Chokse
Joined: 22 May 2009
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 Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2011 5:30 pm Post subject: |
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Your quote:
"Well, this would seem like copying until you hear that MS has been working on this project for over two years."
Nowhere in that sentence do we see the word "IF". Looks like my reading comprehension skills are quite good, whereas.... well, you can't even remember if your sentence used the word "if" or not.
You said that MS has been working on this for over two years and that this is why it "seems" like copying. The word "seems" implies that MS is not copying. It also implies that 2 years ago, Apple was doing no work on Lion.
The point I was trying to make to you (If you had a bigger brain and perhaps more life experience you would have realized this) was that if we are going to play the "go back in time game" we will find that whatever you say about MS is true for Apple when it comes to product timing. If MS was working on Windows 8 two years ago, then Apple was working on Lion 2 years before it previewed it last year, so 3 years ago. The same is true for the phone OS.
Now that you understand this, how is this an example of bad timing? You're as stupid as the first person who claimed "bad timing." Dude, you're out there something fierce. |
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spanky1off
Joined: 21 Aug 2006
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| Posted: Sat Jun 25, 2011 1:27 am Post subject: |
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i think what he meant to say was development of windows 8 didnt just start after they saw os x lion. it was being developed already. i dont think he implies apple wasnt workin on lion b4 they unveiled it. that would be absurd obviously.
to be honest i dont know why ur annoyed at ms. apple makes great user interfaces. this is indesputable. if an idea is a good one why not have it used more and more, even by rivals? good ideas SHOULD catch on, patents allowing  . but if ms doesnt innovate and improve upon previous ideas then that perhaps is a valid reason to find a copycat annoying.
but i dont see that here. ms have come up with a product that looks to be (hopefully) slick for touch screen tablets...laptops..and desktops whilst retaining full functionality across all devices. i think alot of users will go for that. apple on the other hand require an os change ios and os x and different apps/softwares between devices? maybe the new appearance of os x looking more like ios is preparing the switch over to a full blown os on apple ipads once they are powerful enough. which i dont see happening too far off in the distant future. |
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kprrok
Joined: 06 Apr 2004
Location: KC
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| Posted: Sat Jun 25, 2011 2:52 am Post subject: |
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spanky understood me perfectly.
I think I've come to the reason why Chokse just doesn't understand me or anyone else who isn't an Apple lover/fanboy/whatever term you want to you.
Chokse and a few others here probably have their computers set to "MSHater" for the language instead of English. I bet Apple has that programmed into iOS and OSX so it translates any logical argument that makes MS not look like morons into some other language that they just can't comprehend. Thus, to them, anyone who writes positive (or at least non-negative) stuff about MS looks to be on crack b/c they just don't read the same thing as we write!
I've solved it!!!!! Woo HOO!!!! |
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Chokse
Joined: 22 May 2009
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| Posted: Sat Jun 25, 2011 2:54 am Post subject: |
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I agree that Lion is Apple's first step toward morphing the desktop OS with the iPad/iPhone OS with the endgame being the same OS for both the desktop and iPad. Once this happens, I think the MacBook Air will disappear and will be replaced by the iPad (assuming it will have the same OS as the desktops/laptops).
My comment to "kprrok" was about his quote saying he said "IF MS were copying from Apple," when in fact he said no such thing. Nowhere in his earlier post did he use a conditional sentence. Rather, he stated it as fact and later backtracked trying to claim he said "IF." |
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gqsupersport
Joined: 30 Dec 2010
Location: Seohyun, Bundang
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| Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2011 12:14 pm Post subject: |
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And have you seen the interface and icons used on Same-sung's smartphones like the S2? Basically a copy of the iPhone 3. Gestures are almost the same and icons look almost identical.
Innovation is not a Korean strongpoint. Hyundai, Kia, Same-sung, LG. Take your pick. None of them innovate.
But, back to the original point, here goes M$ again. "Apple is making its computer OS like its phone OS so I guess we've got to do it too.... only one year later."
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By the way, I'm sick and tired of people saying Samsung copied Apple's icon and layout. Samsung released a slider phone (before smartphones even existed) back in the day that had the exact same icon layout and design. This was back when Apple didn't even have the iPhone. Google a pic. Not to mention a grid of squares isn't that original to begin with. |
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cj1976
Joined: 26 Oct 2005
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| Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2011 2:01 pm Post subject: |
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| I don't think any of these companies can claim to be totally original. They all lift ideas from each other somewhere along the line. Who knows what kind of inside information is being traded between them? |
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Chokse
Joined: 22 May 2009
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| Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2011 4:57 pm Post subject: |
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| Please provide a link to this slider phone you speak of. I did a Google search and it turned up thousands of links for that company's slider phones, but none that I could see had similar icons, layout, or screen size. So, you know what phone you are talking about. Please provide a link. |
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eamo
Joined: 08 Mar 2003
Location: Shepherd's Bush, 1964.
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| Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2011 5:51 pm Post subject: |
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| Chokse wrote: |
| Please provide a link to this slider phone you speak of. I did a Google search and it turned up thousands of links for that company's slider phones, but none that I could see had similar icons, layout, or screen size. So, you know what phone you are talking about. Please provide a link. |
The phone he's referring to is probably the Samsung F700......it uses the grid layout for icons, like several 'smart-ish' phones before, and has a similar sized screen. But it has a sliding keyboard so way different from the iPhone there (implying a direct copy is not the case) and was shown at the Cebit exhibition in 2007. So it was demonstrated in prototype-form in the same two month period that the iPhone was....meaning it couldn't be a direct copy. A few weeks is not enough time to make a phone from scratch.
......but, and it's a big but, it wasn't fully-developed and was not ready for general release (it was finally released Dec 2007)......which puts Apple a little ahead of Samsung because they were able to commercially release the iphone in June 2007.
http://androidcommunity.com/who-was-really-first-apple-vs-samsung-story-truly-debunked-20110420/
Little story on the F700 vs iPhone there...
Interestingly, Samsung were providing a lot of the parts to Apple during the development of the iPhone.....so they kind of knew what kind of device Apple was developing.
So kudos to Apple for getting a near-enough polished product out into the market first. But, in the final analysis, I agree that Apple just made the best touchscreen smartphone at that time, with the tech based on what had gone before it from other companies (inevitably).
Apple just came to a not very remarkable design conclusion that the icons should be in a grid (other phones had been doing that http://www.gsmarena.com/nokia_6708-1518.php) and that they should go with a 3.5'' screen. Which other phones had had too.
http://www.gsmarena.com/hp_ipaq_h6320-1311.php
I'd say Apple tied together a few hardware and software features that had been unsuccessfully tried by other companies and then made them work better and be more desirable......so I give credit where it's due here. It was the best smartphone at the time, and continued to be until HTC, Samsung et al caught up in 2010.
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Adam Carolla
Joined: 26 Feb 2010
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| Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2011 6:56 pm Post subject: |
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| eamo wrote: |
| Chokse wrote: |
| Please provide a link to this slider phone you speak of. I did a Google search and it turned up thousands of links for that company's slider phones, but none that I could see had similar icons, layout, or screen size. So, you know what phone you are talking about. Please provide a link. |
So kudos to Apple for getting a near-enough polished product out into the market first. But, in the final analysis, I agree that Apple just made the best touchscreen smartphone at that time, with the tech based on what had gone before it from other companies (inevitably).
Apple just came to a not very remarkable design conclusion that the icons should be in a grid (other phones had been doing that) and that they should go with a 3.5'' screen. Which other phones had had too. |
I think you're ignoring what really made the iPhone so revolutionary, which is to say, the OS, not the hardware. At that point in time, as far as I am aware, there wasn't a phone OS that combined anything close to the functionality/power/ease-of-use that the first iPhone OS had, and it was that combination that made it such a great leap forward over the phones of the day, not the actual hardware itself.
And just so people can't accuse me of being either a Mac or PC fanboy, here's my tech. resume:
MP3 players I've owned: Cowon CW300, Cowon X5, Cowon D2. I then got an iPod Touch 1G. The iPod was simply superior in every way. (And before anyone chimes in about the mythical sound quality advantage Cowon has, if needed I will post links to studies that prove this is more myth than fact.)
My phones: When I was in Korea, I owned a succession of horrible phones which had proprietary software that effectively crippled their usage. The hardware was fine.
Here in the U.S. I've used a Blackberry, which IMO has a horrible OS, a Samsung feature phone which was essentially as bad as any I had in Korea, and now a Samsung Droid Charge (so, as you can see, I'm not a devotee of any particular OS.
As far as computers, I only use PC's, not because I have anything against Apple, but having used them for 20+ years and accumulated a relatively extensive knowledge base, I don't really feel the need to switch over.
So, as someone who was championing the iPod Touch and the iPhone OS several years ago and a current Android user, I will tell you that Android looks and feels extremely similar to the iOS. (Despite the fact that we're now 4 years removed from the introduction of iOS.)
Which leads me back to my point: it wasn't the hardware that made the iPhone such a technological breakthrough, it was the combination of very slick looking hardware with extremely functional and elegant OS that was both powerful and easy to use. |
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eamo
Joined: 08 Mar 2003
Location: Shepherd's Bush, 1964.
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| Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2011 7:11 pm Post subject: |
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Adam, I edited my post to give credit to the software......
.......Revolutionary? Perhaps, in that the iPhone has popularized smartphones, which is a good thing as I love how smartphones replace so many different little gadgets that we used to have to buy separately, so they're good for the consumer.
I suppose the iPhone is the Model T Ford of smartphones......not the first, maybe not even the best! But the one that redefined what that product's position in society was. |
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Carbon
Joined: 28 Jan 2011
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| Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2011 11:46 pm Post subject: |
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| Chokse wrote: |
| Please provide a link to this slider phone you speak of. I did a Google search and it turned up thousands of links for that company's slider phones, but none that I could see had similar icons, layout, or screen size. So, you know what phone you are talking about. Please provide a link. |
Pathetic. You spend hours scouring the internet to protect your little precious, which is a company that takes your money and doesn't give a crap about you.
Really, really, really idiotic. You are way gone...total victim. |
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Captain Corea
Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2011 11:59 pm Post subject: |
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Interesting how personal this gets.
I've used both MS and Mac OS and find them to be quite similar. For me, though, I'm currently enjoying the Mac OS more.
Could it be that there are ppl out there that actually make a conscious choice to move from camp to camp, or must everyone be labelled a Hater or Fanboy? |
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crescent
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
Location: yes.
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| Posted: Tue Jun 28, 2011 12:47 am Post subject: |
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| Carbon wrote: |
Pathetic. You spend hours scouring the internet to protect your little precious, which is a company that takes your money and doesn't give a crap about you.
Really, really, really idiotic. You are way gone...total victim. |
Aren't you the guy who selectively went through years of my posting history to prove a point that was already well known to his friends who only lurk?
Ne? |
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Carbon
Joined: 28 Jan 2011
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| Posted: Tue Jun 28, 2011 3:01 am Post subject: |
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| crescent wrote: |
Aren't you the guy who selectively went through years of my posting history to prove a point that was already well known to his friends who only lurk?
Ne? |
You give yourself too much credit, as usual. You are a one-trick pony; it takes very, very little time to see what you are (a succinct picture in this thread alone). Additionally, it really doesn't take much to set you off. A simple link from a site and away you go!
I see however, that I really got under your thin skin. That is quite comforting and to know that I affect you so deeply. I love your new location....very accurate, though I (we) particularly enjoyed your previous one.
Don't let me down now!
Applesauce, baby. |
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crescent
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
Location: yes.
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| Posted: Tue Jun 28, 2011 3:33 am Post subject: |
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| Are you for real guy? I don't know whether to keep laughing or feel sorry for you. |
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