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nukeday
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| Steelrails wrote: |
| And if a Spanish speaking immigrant were to whine that they couldn't find information in Spanish your reaction would be? |
Shock, and the thought that whatever business wasn't providing information in Spanish was one actively trying to fail. |
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nukeday
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| Posted: Tue Jun 28, 2011 3:37 pm Post subject: |
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Oh wait, I guess you wanted a redneck response.
"Learn English"
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Steelrails
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| Posted: Tue Jun 28, 2011 5:58 pm Post subject: |
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| nukeday wrote: |
Oh wait, I guess you wanted a redneck response.
"Learn English"
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Yeah.
You immigrated to America?
What are we supposed to hold your hand? |
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nukeday
Joined: 13 May 2010
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| Posted: Tue Jun 28, 2011 6:10 pm Post subject: |
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We're an immigrant nation. I guess wherever you're from the public schools didn't offer ESL classes for the children of immigrants.
Likewise, there's nothing wrong with Korea offering foreign language services and losing money, or, worse, FACE, when they don't. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Tue Jun 28, 2011 6:16 pm Post subject: |
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| I wonder if Spanish speakers who can't speak English back home have the same gripes.... |
When was the last time you called any place of business with an automated phone system?
"Para espa�ol, oprima el dos."
How many different languages can you VOTE in in America? 10? 20?
How many can you vote in in Korea? I'm guessing 1. |
So any country that an English-speaker goes to should have full services in English? |
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TheUrbanMyth
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| Posted: Tue Jun 28, 2011 6:19 pm Post subject: |
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| nukeday wrote: |
We're an immigrant nation. I guess wherever you're from the public schools didn't offer ESL classes for the children of immigrants.
Likewise, there's nothing wrong with Korea offering foreign language services and losing money, or, worse, FACE, when they don't. |
Korea isn't an immigrant nation. The amount of money they lose is neligible considering that they were doing fine before you came and will do fine after you leave. As for losing face...how exactly do they lose face if YOU are the one who is unable to place an order? |
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nukeday
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| Posted: Tue Jun 28, 2011 6:32 pm Post subject: |
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| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
| nukeday wrote: |
We're an immigrant nation. I guess wherever you're from the public schools didn't offer ESL classes for the children of immigrants.
Likewise, there's nothing wrong with Korea offering foreign language services and losing money, or, worse, FACE, when they don't. |
Korea isn't an immigrant nation. The amount of money they lose is neligible considering that they were doing fine before you came and will do fine after you leave. As for losing face...how exactly do they lose face if YOU are the one who is unable to place an order? |
*I* can place an order. But when Korea is constantly drumming up its services for tourists and services (backed by absurd claims that Koreans speak better English than neighboring Japan), it seems a bit silly that someone can't even leave a critical comment on a facebook page without it getting deleted. Face loss prevention. |
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nukeday
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| Posted: Tue Jun 28, 2011 6:34 pm Post subject: |
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| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
| nukeday wrote: |
| Steelrails wrote: |
| I wonder if Spanish speakers who can't speak English back home have the same gripes.... |
When was the last time you called any place of business with an automated phone system?
"Para espa�ol, oprima el dos."
How many different languages can you VOTE in in America? 10? 20?
How many can you vote in in Korea? I'm guessing 1. |
So any country that an English-speaker goes to should have full services in English? |
Didn't say that. Might want to bone up on your reading comprehension techniques. But it is not unreasonable to request for certain services in English. Good for business, good for PR.
And, really, I was commenting on someone saying Spanish people have no place griping about language services in the US and should be labeled "whiners" like non-Korean speakers living in Korea.
You're right. The two countries shouldn't be compared like that, especially when someone is trying to defend Korea. Foreign language services is a battle Korea will never win. Should they try? Again, I didn't say that.
ps. http://espanol.dominos.com/enes/ |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Tue Jun 28, 2011 7:01 pm Post subject: |
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| nukeday wrote: |
| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
| nukeday wrote: |
| Steelrails wrote: |
| I wonder if Spanish speakers who can't speak English back home have the same gripes.... |
When was the last time you called any place of business with an automated phone system?
"Para espa�ol, oprima el dos."
How many different languages can you VOTE in in America? 10? 20?
How many can you vote in in Korea? I'm guessing 1. |
So any country that an English-speaker goes to should have full services in English? |
Didn't say that. Might want to bone up on your reading comprehension techniques. But it is not unreasonable to request for certain services in English. Good for business, good for PR.
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Two things. First I never said you said that. What were you saying about reading comprehension...?
And as for requesting certain services in English...excluding the military who live on base and have their own services there...the largest proportion of foreigners who live in Korea do not have English as their mother tongue..offering certain services in several of their languages would seem to be better for business and PR in terms of the customer base. |
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Steelrails
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| Posted: Tue Jun 28, 2011 9:17 pm Post subject: |
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Gotta love the irony of people lambasting Koreans/Domino's for being ethno-centric and inconsiderate, and then of course being exactly those things in assuming that the biggest group of foreigners is English speakers and if any group of foreigners deserves a site in their language, its English speakers.
But well, those people from places like China and the Philippines aren't real people, so they don't count. |
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shapeshifter
Joined: 29 Nov 2005
Location: Paris
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| Posted: Tue Jun 28, 2011 11:30 pm Post subject: |
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| I mean geeze, do they want us to take our business elsewhere? We should out of spite until they fix the problem. |
Where would you go? We can't even register on Papa John's website. It won't recognize our foreigner ID numbers. |
I'll walk across the street to Pizza School just to spite the large arrogant companies. I put a comment on their facebook page, but it keep getting erased. Koreans put comments and they stay up. Racist pigs! |
Maybe it's because of content... |
My message itself was quite polite. Try it yourself and see if it disappears. I'll just keep reposting it, I guess. They want to be stubborn. Two can play at that game. |
Are you aware that you sound completely nuts? That's quite a persecution complex you're cultivating. Pull yourself together for Gdd's sake.
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furtakk
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| Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2011 2:35 am Post subject: |
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Seriously. How is this an issue.
They overhauled the website and threw up the Korean version first. An English version is coming.
I don't think there are many tourists who would be saddened by a lack of an English dominos website. |
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littlelisa
Joined: 12 Jun 2007
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2011 5:31 am Post subject: |
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Foreign language services is a battle Korea will never win. Should they try? Again, I didn't say that.
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Well, if foreign language services were an international battle, they may not be winning, but they would certainly not be losing.
I am from Montreal. In the subway, there are announcements only in French. Emergency signs are bilingual, with English half the size of French so as to be difficult to read. This is all required by law. It's fine for me, obviously I grew up learning French and I am fluent, but considering the large enough Anglophone population, it's a little silly.
In Korea the subways have announcements in 4 languages. There are lots of services in English despite a very small minority of English speakers who live here.
I also dance. In Montreal, dance studios had information in English and French, with a split of about 40% Anglo/60% Francophone. In Korea, they have information in English and Korean (though admittedly not always, but most of the time). The breakdown is maybe 2 English speakers to every 1000 Korean speakers. For big events they might have people come from other countries, but that usually means China or Japan.
For the amount of English I see all around here, people should not be complaining. And anyway, why not learn enough basic Korean if you're living here that you can order a pizza in Korean? It's ordering a pizza, not translating for the Blue House. |
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liveinkorea316
Joined: 20 Aug 2010
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| Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2011 6:00 am Post subject: |
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Remember, Dominos is an AMERICAN company. It is kind of surprising that they do not have an English website to order from.
If you go into Starbucks or McDonalds everything is either written in English AND Korean or there is some explanation in English where needed.
I agree with the posters who said this is a crazy situation. Not because anyone is entitled to it but because if you expected any business to have an English ordering site it is Dominos.
If a Spanish company set up in the USA I think you would for sure find that people can order in Spanish |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2011 3:11 pm Post subject: |
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| liveinkorea316 wrote: |
Remember, Dominos is an AMERICAN company. It is kind of surprising that they do not have an English website to order from.
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And they will in about one month. But Koreans are their main customers for this one..hardly suprising that the Korean website gets priority. Also to echo what the previous poster said about learning enough Korean to order a pizza over the phone...those were some of the first Korean phrases I learned when I first came over here. |
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