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radcon
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Times30
Joined: 27 Mar 2010
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 Posted: Fri Jul 01, 2011 3:13 am Post subject: |
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This type of behavior really doesn't surprise me, but it's heavily disappointing.
It seems to be extreme, either the students I've met are extremely polite and caring, or they are absolutely callous and uninhibited.
The dualistic nature of extremes in this generation of youth point to heavy social problems propagated by western influence clashing with eastern ideals, and globalism as a whole.
There's no doubt in my mind that the younger generational youth do not harbor the same respectful demeanor that Korea was once known for because the need to associate and be one with their social community has been disregarded in favor of extreme education and extreme indulgence. Neither are conducive to proper social community.
Expect it to get worse. As foreigners this doesn't bode well, as disrespect to elders is a signal that the youth no longer care nor fear authority. Being a foreign teacher used to gain respect in 3 regards, being foreign, a teacher, and being older. Now only 0 of those 3 things will students give us respect. I'm sure we've all experienced some inkling of this cultural shift.
on a last yet somewhat related note, Does anyone get the sense that Korean youth feels highly entitled? I don't know, this video just reeks of it. |
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rainism
Joined: 13 Apr 2011
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| Posted: Fri Jul 01, 2011 8:40 am Post subject: |
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| Times30 wrote: |
This type of behavior really doesn't surprise me, but it's heavily disappointing.
It seems to be extreme, either the students I've met are extremely polite and caring, or they are absolutely callous and uninhibited.
The dualistic nature of extremes in this generation of youth point to heavy social problems propagated by western influence clashing with eastern ideals, and globalism as a whole.
There's no doubt in my mind that the younger generational youth do not harbor the same respectful demeanor that Korea was once known for because the need to associate and be one with their social community has been disregarded in favor of extreme education and extreme indulgence. Neither are conducive to proper social community.
Expect it to get worse. As foreigners this doesn't bode well, as disrespect to elders is a signal that the youth no longer care nor fear authority. Being a foreign teacher used to gain respect in 3 regards, being foreign, a teacher, and being older. Now only 0 of those 3 things will students give us respect. I'm sure we've all experienced some inkling of this cultural shift.
on a last yet somewhat related note, Does anyone get the sense that Korean youth feels highly entitled? I don't know, this video just reeks of it. |
well I guess we'll have to get respect the old fashioned way.. by being a good and fair teacher and for those influenced by other means, by being twice or thrice their size. Remember the football and wrestling coaches in HS who you knew could crush you with a minimum of effort? I guarantee you my time in the gym helps me far more with discipline than my being a foreigner and my kids are renowned for being the most rambunctious teens around town.
re feelings of entitlement. Meh. The same exact charge is and has been leveled on each new generation by the previous one and two generations. I'm not sure the idiot felt entitled here, he was just an idiot.
the young guy with his legs spread very wide perhaps felt entitled. I loved that response! (the perfect response to entitlement) my only complaint is that the girl did it on the way out, instead of just getting up, doing it, and sitting back down.
(btw. clearly a friend of hers filmed this and knew it was going to happen) |
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Julius
Joined: 27 Jul 2006
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| Posted: Fri Jul 01, 2011 8:57 am Post subject: |
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| Times30 wrote: |
This type of behavior really doesn't surprise me, but it's heavily disappointing.
It seems to be extreme, either the students I've met are extremely polite and caring, or they are absolutely callous and uninhibited.
The dualistic nature of extremes in this generation of youth point to heavy social problems propagated by western influence clashing with eastern ideals, and globalism as a whole.
There's no doubt in my mind that the younger generational youth do not harbor the same respectful demeanor that Korea was once known for because the need to associate and be one with their social community has been disregarded in favor of extreme education and extreme indulgence. Neither are conducive to proper social community.
Expect it to get worse. As foreigners this doesn't bode well, as disrespect to elders is a signal that the youth no longer care nor fear authority. Being a foreign teacher used to gain respect in 3 regards, being foreign, a teacher, and being older. Now only 0 of those 3 things will students give us respect. I'm sure we've all experienced some inkling of this cultural shift. |
Great post, I think I agree with most points...
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| on a last yet somewhat related note, Does anyone get the sense that Korean youth feels highly entitled? I don't know, this video just reeks of it. |
I think this guy is a special case. The vast majority of young Koreans would never verbally attack their elders in this way.
Either he has been heavilly controlled by his father all his life and feels powerless/frustrated, or possibly he was violently abused/ beaten as a child by an older male.
There's no other reason for such inordinate rage..
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| the young guy with his legs spread very wide perhaps felt entitled. I loved that response! (the perfect response to entitlement) my only complaint is that the girl did it on the way out, instead of just getting up, doing it, and sitting back down. |
lol. Yeah I thought it was obviously staged as well. Koreans are finally protesting against rampant selfish behaviour. |
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myenglishisno
Joined: 08 Mar 2011
Location: Geumchon
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| Posted: Fri Jul 01, 2011 10:30 am Post subject: |
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Korea is changing A LOT........10 years ago the old folks always got their way. Now the young are standing up to them more. Great! Go for it young Koreans! The old people and the old attitudes are holding you back. |
Yup. I'm glad to see it.
Sometimes the way adjosshi and ajumma behave is rather shocking. They act the same way outside as they do inside their own apartments a lot of the time. Just yesterday I was out for a run and went into a public restroom (in a park) and an adjosshi had taken up residence in there. He had music blaring and he was doing weird exercises. I went in and he went into hysterics and forced me out of the place.
Don't even get me started on the butting/pushing and other behaviours. A Korean friend of mine recounted to me about how she was in Europe and saw a Korean adjumma with a child butting in front of hundreds of people in an airport queue. She could hear people complaining in a dozen languages, probably saying "who does she think she is?" in every single one. She's an adjumma, that's who. 
| Times30 wrote: |
This type of behavior really doesn't surprise me, but it's heavily disappointing.
It seems to be extreme, either the students I've met are extremely polite and caring, or they are absolutely callous and uninhibited.
The dualistic nature of extremes in this generation of youth point to heavy social problems propagated by western influence clashing with eastern ideals, and globalism as a whole.
There's no doubt in my mind that the younger generational youth do not harbor the same respectful demeanor that Korea was once known for because the need to associate and be one with their social community has been disregarded in favor of extreme education and extreme indulgence. Neither are conducive to proper social community.
Expect it to get worse. As foreigners this doesn't bode well, as disrespect to elders is a signal that the youth no longer care nor fear authority. Being a foreign teacher used to gain respect in 3 regards, being foreign, a teacher, and being older. Now only 0 of those 3 things will students give us respect. I'm sure we've all experienced some inkling of this cultural shift.
on a last yet somewhat related note, Does anyone get the sense that Korean youth feels highly entitled? I don't know, this video just reeks of it. |
I agree and up until very recently the only form of discipline employed on the young was a ol' fashioned wooden stick. I was shocked when I saw the rowdy boys get hit in PS, I was even more shocked when the boys didn't even react because they were used to it and I was still even more shocked when some of the more brazen lads whipped their arm out, grabbed the stick and used it to evict the teacher from their space.
Now that teachers can't hit, these kids that have been hit regularly up until now aren't responding to any kind of alternative discipline. Is anybody surprised? I'm happy because I knew more than one Korean teacher that would mask their inability to teach with fear of corporal punishment. Now those teachers have no excuse. On the flip side, there have been cases of gangs of boys overpowering some of the younger, inexperienced teachers.
As we've all experienced working at a PS, sometimes you get a class that won't respond to anything but the most aggressive discipline. The only way to get them under control is to essentially out-loud and out-anarchy them which does work but is incredibly exhausting and wastes a lot of time. I've had classes with 53 screaming boys running up and down the rows and Korean teachers telling me just to teach over them and that "this is normal."
Whatever used to control Korean youth until this point has completely broken down and needs to be re-calibrated and fast. I saw the exact same thing happen in Japan except Japanese youth are less physically aggressive and more catty and verbal. I didn't get a single 'hello' in any of my classes on the first day of teaching there (unheard of in Korea) and what I did get for trying really hard to get some English out of the boys was a "f*** off an die" (to be fair it was a school full of orphans but still).
Our own countries aren't fairing much better. Violence is down and lot of other things are down but participation is also down, scores are down and overall academic aptitude is at it's highest lower than Korea's lowest in some cases. It's embarrassing that High School students in Canada fail provincial math exams that elementary students in Korea would ace without a calculator.
The whole, global problem centres around an educational model more than a thousand years old existing within an advanced society that the original architects of education couldn't even comprehend full of kids that would always rather be elsewhere, preferably in front of a screen (and I was one of such kids). |
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You
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| Posted: Sat Jul 02, 2011 10:21 am Post subject: |
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My boyfriend said when he was a kid there was an older couple that used to come to his parents shop and the older man would always fondle his genitals in front of everyone. It was considered normal and his own father said the old man just wanted to be friendly, but the effect on him made him feel like he wanted nothing to do with his -you know what- (until he hit puberty of course ;p) He wished he could just cut it off when he was a kid because it was so shameful for him. (Now he agrees he would probably kill himself if he didn't have it, but that doesn't take away from the impact one persons seemingly innocent action had on him)
I had two grandmothers fondle me and my friends breasts while on the subway last year. They laughed to each other and said cute. It was almost as if they had just 'pinched our cheek'. We just kind of looked around in shock. (They did a kind of titty twister on my friends boobs, I was spared that)
Anyway; my point is maybe the lady had some bad experience with an old woman touching her in the past. Sometimes what seems innocent to one person (touchy mc granny) is offensive and psychologically detrimental to another. |
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